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Fillipo Simone
Mediocre player. Surely we need much better.
Fillipo Simone
Milan linked with this Adli guy. French division 2 player who scored 8 goals. Not sure that is what we need, but anyway...
Rossoneri7
So this is gonna be a busy thread moving along ...

Players leaving:
Mandzukic
Huage
Diaz
Dalot
Krunic
Castillejo
Tatarusanu
(Possibility of Hakan leaving too)


Players coming in:
Striker
Fullback(s)
Creative midfielder/AM


I would also assume Romagnoli is leaving, but with CL think he is staying as rotation will definitely be key next season.


Gonna be an interesting summer after so many years ... Don't expect Milan to break the bank, but rather continue on their rebuilding by adding in some experience.
CrazyMilanFan
What is this: https://www.football-italia.net/171135/mila...rumma-set-leave

can it be Juve qualfying for UCL and Dona leaving for them?
X-Offender
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ May 24 2021, 04:48 PM) *
What is this: https://www.football-italia.net/171135/mila...rumma-set-leave

can it be Juve qualfying for UCL and Dona leaving for them?


Yeah. I could tell from his tears after last night's game, that they looked more like tears of goodbye.

They say he hasn't decided yet, but if that article says Maignan is a done deal, then Donnarumma will most likely leave. Which is a huge shame.

For the AM role, in case Hakan leaves, we should go for Coutinho. He's on his way out of Barcelona, and I'm sure we could snatch him for something around 30M. His current salary is 8.5M, maybe he could lower it to 7M (considering Gigio will leave). Just an idea. The guy is still under 30, and despite not being as good as 3-4 years ago, he would still be a huge upgrade.
X-Offender
Apparently Maignan has landed in Milan...
William405
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ May 24 2021, 06:48 PM) *
What is this: https://www.football-italia.net/171135/mila...rumma-set-leave

can it be Juve qualfying for UCL and Dona leaving for them?


He can't go to Juve. Their finances aren't better than us. IMO he is going abroad.
William405
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 25 2021, 01:19 AM) *
Apparently Maignan has landed in Milan...



Bye bye Donna.. sad.gif
X-Offender
It'd be interesting if Paolo made the signing without even telling Donnarumma and Raiola, leaving them completely baffled...
William405
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 25 2021, 01:49 AM) *
It'd be interesting if Paolo made the signing without even telling Donnarumma and Raiola, leaving them completely baffled...


Nah, I think they know. I'm just wondering where he would go to. All the big clubs have their good goalkeepers. I'm thinking where would he be really needed..

This Mike Maignan seems like a good signing.

X-Offender
QUOTE (William405 @ May 24 2021, 11:53 PM) *
This Mike Maignan seems like a good signing.

Very highly rated goalie, and also fresh French champion. For 15M, it's a steal.
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (William405 @ May 25 2021, 12:45 AM) *
He can't go to Juve. Their finances aren't better than us. IMO he is going abroad.

May be cr7 leaving that saves them a lot financially. Although i think Milan is right to let him go if his demand is 10m amd that ridiculous commission
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 25 2021, 12:57 AM) *
Very highly rated goalie, and also fresh French champion. For 15M, it's a steal.

Half current salary of Donna, and 5m less than Riola's commision
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ May 24 2021, 07:48 PM) *
What is this: https://www.football-italia.net/171135/mila...rumma-set-leave

can it be Juve qualfying for UCL and Dona leaving for them?


This is somewhat alarming, as I thought CL would keep him.

Tbh, I think the management were not prepared to be held at ransom and decided not to budge on the final offer.

Riaola convinced Donna that success is elsewhere... As Milan won't be challenging for CL trophy anytime soon.

But you know what? I think it is for the best that he leaves... The club needs committed players now more than ever.
Fillipo Simone
Not really sad. He held the club in ransom once with 18 or 19. Now he's doing it again. Him and his scumbag agent. Not really interested in pursuing them at all.

But the stupidity of our management is what baffles me mostly. Losing such a lucrative player for free is beyond anything. I must repeat myself... what was the last time such a Bosman transfer happened?
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 25 2021, 02:08 PM) *
Not really sad. He held the club in ransom once with 18 or 19. Now he's doing it again. Him and his scumbag agent. Not really interested in pursuing them at all.

But the stupidity of our management is what baffles me mostly. Losing such a lucrative player for free is beyond anything. I must repeat myself... what was the last time such a Bosman transfer happened?


Most definitely!

The loss of a youth player in such a way is very bad management and there is nothing to compensate.

But what to do
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 25 2021, 11:08 AM) *
what was the last time such a Bosman transfer happened?


Cambiasso, Pirlo, Lewandowski, Goretzka, Ballack, Depay, Pogba...

Anyway, I don't blame our management. He had to go for free because he wouldn't renew his contract, simple as. You honestly think Paolo hasn't tried to do it for the last couple of years? The guy always kept asking for more money, insane commissions for Raiola, and without concrete offers from other clubs, they couldn't just cave in to their demands like a bunch of losers.

Paolo made the right decision. Hugely disappointed in Donnarumma. To put money ahead of the club that raised him, believed in him, made him debut at 16, gave him an insane salary at 18, even engaged his brother to keep him happy. How does he repay us? By holding the club hostage and blackmailing. Simply disgraceful. Let's see if he can find a club who's willing to pay 10M for a GK and 20M to his mafioso agent.
William405
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 25 2021, 01:53 PM) *
Cambiasso, Pirlo, Lewandowski, Goretzka, Ballack, Depay, Pogba...

Anyway, I don't blame our management. He had to go for free because he wouldn't renew his contract, simple as. You honestly think Paolo hasn't tried to do it for the last couple of years? The guy always kept asking for more money, insane commissions for Raiola, and without concrete offers from other clubs, they couldn't just cave in to their demands like a bunch of losers.

Paolo made the right decision. Hugely disappointed in Donnarumma. To put money ahead of the club that raised him, believed in him, made him debut at 16, gave him an insane salary at 18, even engaged his brother to keep him happy. How does he repay us? By holding the club hostage and blackmailing. Simply disgraceful. Let's see if he can find a club who's willing to pay 10M for a GK and 20M to his mafioso agent.


Couldn't agree more.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 25 2021, 01:53 PM) *
Cambiasso, Pirlo, Lewandowski, Goretzka, Ballack, Depay, Pogba...

Anyway, I don't blame our management. He had to go for free because he wouldn't renew his contract, simple as. You honestly think Paolo hasn't tried to do it for the last couple of years? The guy always kept asking for more money, insane commissions for Raiola, and without concrete offers from other clubs, they couldn't just cave in to their demands like a bunch of losers.

Paolo made the right decision. Hugely disappointed in Donnarumma. To put money ahead of the club that raised him, believed in him, made him debut at 16, gave him an insane salary at 18, even engaged his brother to keep him happy. How does he repay us? By holding the club hostage and blackmailing. Simply disgraceful. Let's see if he can find a club who's willing to pay 10M for a GK and 20M to his mafioso agent.

No. Not the same thing. First of all, half of the examples you gave are decades old. Secondly, only Pogba and Lewi qualify as top talents who were lured to another team. Whereas Pogba was still an unknown talent who might have backfired.

But Donnarumma is a top 5 talent player in Europe or the World. Seeing him go to another team was bound to happen - sooner or later. Seeing him go for free is what really hurts.
Fillipo Simone
Also, how good is this Maignan guy really? Anyone seen him actually play? I'm very skeptical.
William405
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 25 2021, 05:05 PM) *
No. Not the same thing. First of all, half of the examples you gave are decades old. Secondly, only Pogba and Lewi qualify as top talents who were lured to another team. Whereas Pogba was still an unknown talent who might have backfired.

But Donnarumma is a top 5 talent player in Europe or the World. Seeing him go to another team was bound to happen - sooner or later. Seeing him go for free is what really hurts.


Meh, but what can we do? First, the current management wasn't the one giving Donnaruma's his current contract. Second, they tried numerous times without success, what more do you want Paolo to do? For me this is a strong statement to these agents trying to put Milan on the hotseat here. For sure, in any contract negotiation there is a give and take. But, for me Donnaruma's demands were always very high and not proportional with his current status. In any case, we can't afford giving a player this salary, we get another goalkeeper who is promising with 3 million salary and who can probably do the job.
X-Offender
Fillipo, my man, it's pointless to blame our management for this. You have to understand that the club was hostage of Donnarumma's demands.

First and foremost, remember all the ruckus of his first renewal in 2017, when Mirabelli and Raiola went head to head because of his ridiculous demands. In the end, we managed to give him 6M, which was unheard of for a GK at the age of only 18. Furthermore, we hired his brother and offered him 1M for being a third option!

Secondly, don't forget the change in management over the last 4 years. The exit of the Chinese with Fassone and Mirabelli, Elliott's takeover, Leonardo's appointment and then his departure, the bitter departure of Boban. Maldini was also almost set to leave. Our management has been through a lot, so issues such as contract renewals take a backseat under such turmoil.

But even so, it's been over a year that we keep offering this mofo an extension. 8M for crying out loud! That's a lot of money. Yet he kept wanting more, and moreover it has arisen in the last few hours that the reason the deal fell through was because Raiola demanded 20M in commissions. 20M!!! GTFO!!!

But besides the very indecent gesture of Donnarumma, what's worse is that he's leaving for free, completely shitting over the club that raised him and put him in the frontline. Remember Thiago Silva in 2012? His contract was about to expire the following year, and the club was aware of PSG's offer. So what did good ol' Thiago do? Extended his contract, and thus forcing PSG to make a very lucrative offer of 43M. Hence, both him and the club benefitted in the end. Check this article from back then. Because that's what real men who value their club do.

Donnarumma is a disgusting figure, I cannot stand the sight of him anymore. I hope he fails wherever he goes.
Fillipo Simone
It's really simple. Don't negotiate contract extensions few months before their current contract expires, giving the agent/player the upper hand. Negotiate sooner or decide sooner. I don't care about statements, agents will be agents and Raiola (or anyone else) won't learn a thing out of this. The only party truly losing here is Milan i.e. our management.

This situation should have been sorted out and we should have sold Donna.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 25 2021, 07:05 PM) *
Fillipo, my man, it's pointless to blame our management for this. You have to understand that the club was hostage of Donnarumma's demands.

First and foremost, remember all the ruckus of his first renewal in 2017, when Mirabelli and Raiola went head to head because of his ridiculous demands. In the end, we managed to give him 6M, which was unheard of for a GK at the age of only 18. Furthermore, we hired his brother and offered him 1M for being a third option!

Secondly, don't forget the change in management over the last 4 years. The exit of the Chinese with Fassone and Mirabelli, Elliott's takeover, Leonardo's appointment and then his departure, the bitter departure of Boban. Maldini was also almost set to leave. Our management has been through a lot, so issues such as contract renewals take a backseat under such turmoil.

But even so, it's been over a year that we keep offering this mofo an extension. 8M for crying out loud! That's a lot of money. Yet he kept wanting more, and moreover it has arisen in the last few hours that the reason the deal fell through was because Raiola demanded 20M in commissions. 20M!!! GTFO!!!

But besides the very indecent gesture of Donnarumma, what's worse is that he's leaving for free, completely shitting over the club that raised him and put him in the frontline. Remember Thiago Silva in 2012? His contract was about to expire the following year, and the club was aware of PSG's offer. So what did good ol' Thiago do? Extended his contract, and thus forcing PSG to make a very lucrative offer of 43M. Hence, both him and the club benefitted in the end. Check this article from back then. Because that's what real men who value their club do.

Donnarumma is a disgusting figure, I cannot stand the sight of him anymore. I hope he fails wherever he goes.

Exactly! Who could forget the negotiations of 2017! This is exactly why I wouldn't be fooled by those two for a second time.

But yes, I agree. He really is disgusting.
han2503
Yeah, Donna can go f@ck himself. And don't talk to me about Raiola either. This is all on Donna. We never had any issues with any of his other players renewing. Had Donna wanted to stay he would have signed, no matter what Raiola was asking for commissions as it would not have mattered

8m for a f@cking GK!. No way. I blame this mostly on the previous management. 6m for an 18 year old was too much then and it left us in this situation. It's an impossible figure to match. We don't even pay that kind of money to any of the outfield players (Zlatan aside).

Honestly, Paolo and Co did the right thing here. And that is the consensus around Italy's sporting community. This club cannot be held hostage by these players. Don't want to sign? We'll replace you simple as. Same goes for Hakan, who simply does not deserve half of what he's asking for for next season

I the end. I'm mostly bitter about losing these players for free as together they could have fetched us around a 100m. Money which is desperately needed. Had Donna been a man, he would have done as x-off said. Which is renew and allow the club to monetize him. It's the least he could do considering all the doors Milan have opened for him

But let this be a lesson to the management. We simply cannot allow these contracts to run down so much! Renew, Theo, Kessie, Bennacer, Calabria, Romagmoli (nb) before the summer is over. We cannot lose players for free.


Re Romagnoli. I say either sell him or renew and sell him later on. He's lost his place. He's not going to be willing to sit on the bench and the astronomical requests have already started from him as well. Once again, a player who has not lived up to the demands he is making.

The only player that should can stand proudly by his demands is Kessie imo. He's the only one who's made the huge strides we all expected from the rest.

Calabria as well, but he's not being a d!ck about money.
han2503
Btw, Maignan is an excellent keeper. He has the most clean sheets in Europe this season and has a better save percentage than Donna. We made an excellent deal here imo. 13m + 23 bonuses and a 2.8m salary will free up a lot of our budget. We're going to be save over 80m here compared to what a 5 year deal for Donna would have cost.

Another excellent move by Paolo.



Fillipo Simone
Stats do not tell the whole story here. The French league isn't that competitive and good, so his clean sheets and save percentage should still be considered carefully. Have you seen the guy play?

Btw. is Kessie also making some high wage demands? That must have missed me...
William405
QUOTE (han2503 @ May 25 2021, 10:55 PM) *
Yeah, Donna can go f@ck himself. And don't talk to me about Raiola either. This is all on Donna. We never had any issues with any of his other players renewing. Had Donna wanted to stay he would have signed, no matter what Raiola was asking for commissions as it would not have mattered

8m for a f@cking GK!. No way. I blame this mostly on the previous management. 6m for an 18 year old was too much then and it left us in this situation. It's an impossible figure to match. We don't even pay that kind of money to any of the outfield players (Zlatan aside).

Honestly, Paolo and Co did the right thing here. And that is the consensus around Italy's sporting community. This club cannot be held hostage by these players. Don't want to sign? We'll replace you simple as. Same goes for Hakan, who simply does not deserve half of what he's asking for for next season

I the end. I'm mostly bitter about losing these players for free as together they could have fetched us around a 100m. Money which is desperately needed. Had Donna been a man, he would have done as x-off said. Which is renew and allow the club to monetize him. It's the least he could do considering all the doors Milan have opened for him

But let this be a lesson to the management. We simply cannot allow these contracts to run down so much! Renew, Theo, Kessie, Bennacer, Calabria, Romagmoli (nb) before the summer is over. We cannot lose players for free.


Re Romagnoli. I say either sell him or renew and sell him later on. He's lost his place. He's not going to be willing to sit on the bench and the astronomical requests have already started from him as well. Once again, a player who has not lived up to the demands he is making.

The only player that should can stand proudly by his demands is Kessie imo. He's the only one who's made the huge strides we all expected from the rest.

Calabria as well, but he's not being a d!ck about money.


Man, Calabria doesn't care about money, he's a true Milanista, you can see in his passion when we won.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 25 2021, 09:40 PM) *
Stats do not tell the whole story here. The French league isn't that competitive and good, so his clean sheets and save percentage should still be considered carefully. Have you seen the guy play?


Always very skeptical Fillipo. wink.gif

Mignon is very highly rated. I personally haven't seen him play, but I've heard things from those who have. He has personality, great reflexes, has good judgment for aerial balls, and also is very good with his feet (the guy actually started his career as a midfielder). He has a decent record at stoping penalties as well.

Watch a few YT clips to create an idea.

I think we've made an excellent deal here. 15M is nothing for a great goalie.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 25 2021, 09:40 PM) *
Btw. is Kessie also making some high wage demands? That must have missed me...


I think I've read that he wants more money, which is understandable considering he earns, what, 2M?
X-Offender
QUOTE
Di Marzio (Sky Sport): "The commission was not the obstacle to the negotiation. We checked both on the Raiola front and on the Milan front: they never got to talk about commissions. Milan had already decided on Maignan before Sunday evening, so even if Donnarumma and Raiola had lowered their demands on Monday, Milan would have replied that they have already got another goalkeeper and they arrived late. It is Milan's choice not to wait for him anymore and Gigio not to accept that kind of offer. For me it's over. Donnarumma doesn't have an agreement with another team. Maybe he signs with a team for 6 million, or 7-8. But as of today he has no deal with any other team.


Interesting...
Fillipo Simone
Indeed.
CrazyMilanFan
BTW what are the opinion on belotti? should he be a prime target?
Fillipo Simone
I'd rather skip that one. Playing for Torino with 27 years pushing 28 is not a particular good sign.
Rossoneri7
Kessie renewal underway, current deal expires next summer and Milan are offering 3.5M+bonuses reaching 4M. Kessie wants 5M.

Middle ground can be reached here.
William405
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ May 26 2021, 10:56 AM) *
BTW what are the opinion on belotti? should he be a prime target?


Nah
William405
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 26 2021, 12:58 PM) *
Kessie renewal underway, current deal expires next summer and Milan are offering 3.5M+bonuses reaching 4M. Kessie wants 5M.

Middle ground can be reached here.


Good news
Rossoneri7
Sky is reporting that all of Calhanoglu, Romagnoli and Castillejo can leave Milan.

This needs translates to Milan already having identified replacements. Curious to know who devil.gif
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 26 2021, 12:38 AM) *
Interesting...

Honestly don't believe for a second that this is the case here.

Gigio and Raiola are probably feeding this BS to Di Marzio and his people. No way he was blindsided by this. The management have been trying to renew his contract for over a year now

He and Raiola probably though they would drag this out into another whole summer saga as they did with Fassone and Mirabelli.

Good on the management to not let them drag us by our nostrils all summer. 8m is more than enough for a keeper.


Once again, the only thing that makes me bitter about all this is not getting a transfer fee for him. Our finances would have looked great with that kind of boost. Same goes with Hakan now that it's looking likely that he'll also leave for free

The management better work on those renewals early this summer. Even contracts like Theo's and Benacces need looked into. We cannot let this happen again. ontracts should be allowed to run down to the final year. Same think going down with Kessie now, going into his final year. We should have locked him down before the last season started imo
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 26 2021, 09:49 AM) *
I'd rather skip that one. Playing for Torino with 27 years pushing 28 is not a particular good sign.


*cough*Milito*cough*
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ May 26 2021, 12:08 PM) *
Once again, the only thing that makes me bitter about all this is not getting a transfer fee for him. Our finances would have looked great with that kind of boost. Same goes with Hakan now that it's looking likely that he'll also leave for free


Again with this renewal! Bro, let me ask you a question. Why do clubs renew the contracts of their players? Either because they want to continue the partnership, or because they sniff a concrete interest from some other club and hence if a player's contract is about to expire in the next few months, a renewal lets the club cash in.

Donnarumma had no offers from any club whatsoever, so obviously we wanted to renew because he was supposed to be our future leader. But how can you renew a contract when the other party asks exorbitant amounts that go completely against the club's policies? You may say we could have given him what he wanted and then shipped him off elsewhere. Again, he had no offers from other clubs, even more so if we were to give him 10-12M per season. No sane club in this rime of crisis would spend 30-40M for a GK plus give him 10-12M per season. At least all the big clubs have their goal pretty much covered. I can think of only PSG who may afford him, but Navas has been excellent for them so would there even be a point to go after Donnarumma.

Maldini's hands were tied. He did all he could, in the end there was nothing more to be done but bid farewell to the mercenary. So, let's stop whining that we let him go for free pretty please.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 26 2021, 02:59 PM) *
Again with this renewal! Bro, let me ask you a question. Why do clubs renew the contracts of their players? Either because they want to continue the partnership, or because they sniff a concrete interest from some other club and hence if a player's contract is about to expire in the next few months, a renewal lets the club cash in.

Donnarumma had no offers from any club whatsoever, so obviously we wanted to renew because he was supposed to be our future leader. But how can you renew a contract when the other party asks exorbitant amounts that go completely against the club's policies? You may say we could have given him what he wanted and then shipped him off elsewhere. Again, he had no offers from other clubs, even more so if we were to give him 10-12M per season. No sane club in this rime of crisis would spend 30-40M for a GK plus give him 10-12M per season. At least all the big clubs have their goal pretty much covered. I can think of only PSG who may afford him, but Navas has been excellent for them so would there even be a point to go after Donnarumma.

Maldini's hands were tied. He did all he could, in the end there was nothing more to be done but bid farewell to the mercenary. So, let's stop whining that we let him go for free pretty please.

Woah man. I agree completely with you here. Maldini did the right thing. Which I stated in the rest of my post.

Like I said, I'm only bitter that we didn't get money for him. That stings. Especially when keepers like Kepa went for 80m! That money would have gotten us out of a huge pinch. And this makes me even more p!ssed off at Donna not Maldini. The club gave him so much, the least he could have done was signed a new contract with a gentleman's agreement in place that he'd be sold if an offer came
han2503
Anyway, f@ck him. This is case closed now. The management did the right thing.

And Welcome Maignan!
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ May 26 2021, 08:12 PM) *
Anyway, f@ck him. This is case closed now. The management did the right thing.

And Welcome Maignan!


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