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Destro WOULD excite me.
But why, 21 year old pals usually sign for Roma, why would a 23 year old player who's so exciting leave?
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 9 2015, 01:45 AM) 
But why, 21 year old pals usually sign for Roma, why would a 23 year old player who's so exciting leave?
Because he can't find space. They have Totti as CF who's untouchable. Destro only gets to play when Totti is injured/needs to rest. That means scraps of games. He wants regular playing time, hence why he's so keen to leave.
I'd rather Ljajic if we went for any Roma attackers, he's the most naturally talented one of the bunch.
I don't get why a poacher would excite anyone, especially for this Milan that doesn't really create much opportunities.
Spending 15m on an average striker for me is the epitome of why we've been failing repeatedly because of this management's decisions
I don't get why a poacher would excite anyone, especially for this Milan that doesn't really create much opportunities.
Spending 15m on an average striker for me is the epitome of why we've been failing repeatedly because of this management's decisions
Oliveira, Huntelaar, Borriello, Matri, Pazzini and now Destro. Haven't we tried this ? All these deals exited us and then we got dissapointed. In the mean time, Inter signed Shaqiri. Damn.
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jan 9 2015, 09:20 AM)
Oliveira, Huntelaar, Borriello, Matri, Pazzini and now Destro. Haven't we tried this ? All these deals exited us and then we got dissapointed. In the mean time, Inter signed Shaqiri. Damn.
Oliveira was just plain rubbish, bad signing.
KJH was excellent - Leo just didn't like him.
Borriello was hit and miss.
Matri - garbage, just didn't do it for us.
Pazzo had been good up till about a year and a half ago, then he faded. Bit harsh to call him a failure.
Destro, in all honesty, is better than all these bar KJH.
Milan and Bologna have reached an agreement for Saponara: loan + option to buy. [GdS]
Mediaset claims that Milan are ready to offer €3m to loan Axel Witsel with a buy-out clause set at €17m.
If we sign Destro and Witsel this would be a very successful window.
I'd take Witsel quicker than you can say Zenit.
Finally agree on something with you guys. Witsel would be excellent, especially if De Jong is on his way out, but I just cannot understand why you'd want Destro
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 9 2015, 05:04 PM)
Finally agree on something with you guys. Witsel would be excellent, especially if De Jong is on his way out, but I just cannot understand why you'd want Destro
FFS Han, now you're becoming repetitive. We need a forward to play as CF, and Destro is the best we can afford right now. Me and Danny, among others, rate him. If he comes, good. If he doesn't, whatever. We're also linked with Osvaldo who I also rate and wouldn't mind at all.
By the way, why doesn't De Jong want to renew his contract? Is there another club offering him a higher wage or what?
Most probably.
QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 9 2015, 05:46 PM)
Oliveira was just plain rubbish, bad signing.
KJH was excellent - Leo just didn't like him.
Borriello was hit and miss.
Matri - garbage, just didn't do it for us.
Pazzo had been good up till about a year and a half ago, then he faded. Bit harsh to call him a failure.
Destro, in all honesty, is better than all these bar KJH.
KJH was excellent - Leo just didn't like him.
Borriello was hit and miss.
Matri - garbage, just didn't do it for us.
Pazzo had been good up till about a year and a half ago, then he faded. Bit harsh to call him a failure.
Destro, in all honesty, is better than all these bar KJH.
My sentiments exactly.
Well put! Though I like to think Borriello was more miss than hit, the guy just got chance upon chance, starting matches left and right, while real talents like Pato and Huntelaar were sidelined to, well, left and right. Horrible positions for players of their caliber to be playing, totally out of position.Pato, at least, adjusted somewhat better. Huntelaar was just lost, being the poacher that he is.
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 9 2015, 05:21 PM)
FFS Han, now you're becoming repetitive. We need a forward to play as CF, and Destro is the best we can afford right now. Me and Danny, among others, rate him. If he comes, good. If he doesn't, whatever. We're also linked with Osvaldo who I also rate and wouldn't mind at all.
"The best we can afford now" says it all, so you're okay with just buying anyone just to say we bought someone, this has been our policy for a while now. Buying someone just to shut the fans up.
Buying a CF just for the sake of buying him
The only type of CF that could be able to really pull it off at this Milan is one who is a creator just as much as he is a scorer. I don't think it's any shock that Ibra was the last successful striker we've had since Sheva. You really think a penalty area striker like Destro will make any difference for us? Or do you just want him because it's a transfer so you're happy as long as we sign someone?
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 9 2015, 10:20 PM)
"The best we can afford now" says it all, so you're okay with just buying anyone just to say we bought someone, this has been our policy for a while now. Buying someone just to shut the fans up.
Buying a CF just for the sake of buying him
The only type of CF that could be able to really pull it off at this Milan is one who is a creator just as much as he is a scorer. I don't think it's any shock that Ibra was the last successful striker we've had since Sheva. You really think a penalty area striker like Destro will make any difference for us? Or do you just want him because it's a transfer so you're happy as long as we sign someone?
Buying a CF just for the sake of buying him
The only type of CF that could be able to really pull it off at this Milan is one who is a creator just as much as he is a scorer. I don't think it's any shock that Ibra was the last successful striker we've had since Sheva. You really think a penalty area striker like Destro will make any difference for us? Or do you just want him because it's a transfer so you're happy as long as we sign someone?
Read above, I also said I rate him. I don't view him simply as a poacher. He's a good striker that can also make things happen for himself. He doesn't live solely on service.
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 9 2015, 04:23 PM)
By the way, why doesn't De Jong want to renew his contract? Is there another club offering him a higher wage or what?
As I've said before, if he renews his deal he loses out on Man Utd, and they're willing to pay 10M now and pay him about 4M Euros a year. Basically he either goes now and we get a sizeable sum for him, or he leaves for free this summer.
Absolutely no way he'll sign a new deal IMO. He's given us fierce loyalty and 2+ excellent years. We're not going to make CL, probably won't make UEL either. He can leave with my blessing as he's wasted at a midtable Club.
PS I'd be overjoyed if he stayed, but I'm saying I won't begrudge him leaving.
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 9 2015, 11:27 PM)
Read above, I also said I rate him. I don't view him simply as a poacher. He's a good striker that can also make things happen for himself. He doesn't live solely on service.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on that one, as I don't claim to be someone who watches him avidly, but I've watched a few clips of him since we've been linked and his goals are usually tap-ins and the usual run of the mill type of goals that a poacher would score, and this is off a compilation vid, which usually tend to make players look 10 times better than they actually are...
Silvio Berlusconi has given Galliani permission to sign Destro (loan + option to buy), but Pazzini has to leave first. [GdS]
Sky confirms that Milan are interested in signing Witsel, but Zenit aren't keen on accepting a loan + option to buy.
Sky confirms that Milan are interested in signing Witsel, but Zenit aren't keen on accepting a loan + option to buy.
QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 10 2015, 12:17 AM)
As I've said before, if he renews his deal he loses out on Man Utd, and they're willing to pay 10M now and pay him about 4M Euros a year. Basically he either goes now and we get a sizeable sum for him, or he leaves for free this summer.
Absolutely no way he'll sign a new deal IMO. He's given us fierce loyalty and 2+ excellent years. We're not going to make CL, probably won't make UEL either. He can leave with my blessing as he's wasted at a midtable Club.
PS I'd be overjoyed if he stayed, but I'm saying I won't begrudge him leaving.
Absolutely no way he'll sign a new deal IMO. He's given us fierce loyalty and 2+ excellent years. We're not going to make CL, probably won't make UEL either. He can leave with my blessing as he's wasted at a midtable Club.
PS I'd be overjoyed if he stayed, but I'm saying I won't begrudge him leaving.
10m for De Jong though... It would be a blow for us as he's one of our most valuable assets. To lose him for so little would be a slap in the face and another showpiece of how this management simply does not plan anything with any sort of intelligence but just fly by the seat of their pants.
They should have offered him an extension a while ago. Letting contracts run down to the wire like they're doing is just asking for it.
If they knew De Jong was reluctant to renew why didn't they just sell him for a better price in the summer? Man Utd were throwing money around like it was going out of style and they were very interested in him then. Why insist on holding onto him when we were either going to lose him for peanuts or nothing at all just a few months later? Just absolutely baffling how this club is being run atm.
If we sign Witsel then we can just play Monto as anchor with the former and Bonaventura in midfield.
Roma are reconsidering to accept Pazzini as a part of the deal for Destro, but he wants an 18-month contract instead of just 6 months.
source: milanello/twitter
source: milanello/twitter
we've not had much luck with strikers like destro. i'd rather do a niang/muriel deal- part exchange/loan/swap with udinese and find a taker for Pazzo as i'm sure sampdoria and the likes would jump at a chance to take him.
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 10 2015, 09:22 AM)
If we sign Witsel then we can just play Monto as anchor with the former and Bonaventura in midfield.
You seem quite fixated on Monto as an enforcer. I'm not sure I can see him filling that role. Best case scenario:
De Jong, Witsel, Monto/Bona.
What makes you so sure Monto can fill the DM role?
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 10 2015, 09:17 AM)
10m for De Jong though... It would be a blow for us as he's one of our most valuable assets. To lose him for so little would be a slap in the face and another showpiece of how this management simply does not plan anything with any sort of intelligence but just fly by the seat of their pants.
They should have offered him an extension a while ago. Letting contracts run down to the wire like they're doing is just asking for it.
If they knew De Jong was reluctant to renew why didn't they just sell him for a better price in the summer? Man Utd were throwing money around like it was going out of style and they were very interested in him then. Why insist on holding onto him when we were either going to lose him for peanuts or nothing at all just a few months later? Just absolutely baffling how this club is being run atm.
They should have offered him an extension a while ago. Letting contracts run down to the wire like they're doing is just asking for it.
If they knew De Jong was reluctant to renew why didn't they just sell him for a better price in the summer? Man Utd were throwing money around like it was going out of style and they were very interested in him then. Why insist on holding onto him when we were either going to lose him for peanuts or nothing at all just a few months later? Just absolutely baffling how this club is being run atm.
De Jong isn't worth a lot more than 10M in truth. Thanks to his age. Remember he's 30, and name a player 30+ who goes for the crazy sums we see in football today? Alonso, widly regarded as one of the very best only cost Bayern like 3M or so.
And of course he's out of contract this summer so if we got offered 10M I'd take it and run. Either that or get him to extend.
But we did get Abate to agree an extension so it's not all lost.
QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 10 2015, 12:40 PM)
You seem quite fixated on Monto as an enforcer. I'm not sure I can see him filling that role. Best case scenario:
De Jong, Witsel, Monto/Bona.
What makes you so sure Monto can fill the DM role?
De Jong, Witsel, Monto/Bona.
What makes you so sure Monto can fill the DM role?
He played often as anchor in 11/12 when De Jong was injured, and he pulled off some great performances. Also, given his characteristics, I see him better in that position. For a CM he's too slow and for a creator he's very limited.
By the way, I just noticed that Luiz Adriano's contract ends in June. How come Galliani hasn't leashed on him yet?
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 10 2015, 12:50 PM)
He played often as anchor in 11/12 when De Jong was injured, and he pulled off some great performances. Also, given his characteristics, I see him better in that position. For a CM he's too slow and for a creator he's very limited.
He doesn't seem strong enough or willing enough to get right stuck in. And up till Sassuolo he had actually been playing very well in the regista role he's more known for. Maybe not incredible with assist after assist, but in that position he's the best we have if Bona is to remain up front.
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By the way, I just noticed that Luiz Adriano's contract ends in June. How come Galliani hasn't leashed on him yet?
I think Galliani is putting all our eggs in the Destro basket. And that deal is quite advanced now, depending on Pazzo.
I'd be delighted with either he or Adriano though.
Milan Channel have confirmed that Suso will undergo the medicals on Monday, but he won't join Milan until the summer.
Yeah that story was basically confirmed on Friday.
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The Corriere dello Sport claims Milan will offer Stephan El Shaarawy to Roma in exchange for Mattia Destro.
The Rossoneri are pushing hard for Destro, said to be a favourite of President Silvio Berlusconi.
According to recent reports, they had been prepared to offer €1m for a six-month loan, plus an option to buy at the end of the season for another €20m.
However, today’s edition of the Corriere dello Sport insists El Shaarawy could be proposed in a straight swap.
The Little Pharaoh has struggled to find his form after lengthy injury problems and was dropped for last night’s 1-1 draw with Torino in favour of M’Baye Niang.
There is an intriguing theory put forward by Luciano Moggi for Tuttomercatoweb, as he claims Milan are fuelling discussion of Destro so that they can work behind the scenes on Daniel Osvaldo.
He is an outcast at Inter after attempting to attack teammate Mauro Icardi and hurling abuse at Coach Roberto Mancini during a 1-1 draw with Juventus on Tuesday.
Osvaldo has also been linked with Cagliari, Torino and Boca Juniors, but would prefer a more prestigious option like Milan.
The Rossoneri are pushing hard for Destro, said to be a favourite of President Silvio Berlusconi.
According to recent reports, they had been prepared to offer €1m for a six-month loan, plus an option to buy at the end of the season for another €20m.
However, today’s edition of the Corriere dello Sport insists El Shaarawy could be proposed in a straight swap.
The Little Pharaoh has struggled to find his form after lengthy injury problems and was dropped for last night’s 1-1 draw with Torino in favour of M’Baye Niang.
There is an intriguing theory put forward by Luciano Moggi for Tuttomercatoweb, as he claims Milan are fuelling discussion of Destro so that they can work behind the scenes on Daniel Osvaldo.
He is an outcast at Inter after attempting to attack teammate Mauro Icardi and hurling abuse at Coach Roberto Mancini during a 1-1 draw with Juventus on Tuesday.
Osvaldo has also been linked with Cagliari, Torino and Boca Juniors, but would prefer a more prestigious option like Milan.
Yes, that was all over Twitter yesterday. We can't get rid of Stephen El-Shitto quick enough tbh.
As for Osvaldo, not good enough. Absolutely not good enough. As close to the definition of 'journeyman striker' as you'll ever see.
As for Osvaldo, not good enough. Absolutely not good enough. As close to the definition of 'journeyman striker' as you'll ever see.
If we can make that swap happen, and then sign Witsel, we'd have a competent enough team to fight for the 3rd place. Pippo wouldn't have any more excuses.
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 11 2015, 01:35 PM)
If we can make that swap happen, and then sign Witsel, we'd have a competent enough team to fight for the 3rd place. Pippo wouldn't have any more excuses.
He'd still start Muntari and keep rotating everything till we got motion sickness.
I wouldn't like to let SES go, especially for Destro. I'd give him more time to adjust and get more confidence.
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 9 2015, 04:23 PM)
By the way, why doesn't De Jong want to renew his contract?
Why would he?
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jan 11 2015, 04:14 PM)
I wouldn't like to let SES go, especially for Destro. I'd give him more time to adjust and get more confidence.
I'd have thought 48 months was long enough but y'know...
Suso has apparently been released by Liverpool and will join us now and not the summer.
QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 11 2015, 11:00 PM)
Suso has apparently been released by Liverpool and will join us now and not the summer.
Huh... Wonder if he'll be given a chance. We brought in Cerci and have Menez as our only true wingers atm and Pippo either doesn't use them or plays them out of position.
Milan Channel confirm that Pazzini will stay, and that there are no negotiations ongoing with Roma for Destro.
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Mediaset also say that we will focus on signing a CM now.
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Mediaset also say that we will focus on signing a CM now.
That's good. I hear van Ginkel has been returned, right?
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 14 2015, 03:06 PM)
That's good. I hear van Ginkel has been returned, right?
Returned to where?
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 14 2015, 02:27 PM)
Returned to where?
Chelsea.
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 14 2015, 01:43 PM)
Milan Channel confirm that Pazzini will stay, and that there are no negotiations ongoing with Roma for Destro.
Link
Mediaset also say that we will focus on signing a CM now.
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Mediaset also say that we will focus on signing a CM now.
So basically one goal in the Coppa Italia and our striking problems are solved.
Good Lord.
As for CM, it's a position we have 783 players for. A striker is a must.
QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 14 2015, 04:58 PM)
So basically one goal in the Coppa Italia and our striking problems are solved.
Good Lord.
As for CM, it's a position we have 783 players for. A striker is a must.
Good Lord.
As for CM, it's a position we have 783 players for. A striker is a must.
Yeah, apparently Pazzini who was unnecessary until yesterday now is an option because he scored a goal in the Coppa against Sassuolo. This pathetic management never ceases to amaze me.
As for CM, I disagree, we desperately need a creative mid right now. We can't continue relying on washed Montolivo.
QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 14 2015, 04:57 PM)
Chelsea.
Haven't read anything about it.
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 14 2015, 02:43 PM)
Milan Channel confirm that Pazzini will stay, and that there are no negotiations ongoing with Roma for Destro.
Link
Mediaset also say that we will focus on signing a CM now.
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Mediaset also say that we will focus on signing a CM now.
Finally a decision that makes sense
QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 14 2015, 04:58 PM)
So basically one goal in the Coppa Italia and our striking problems are solved.
Good Lord.
As for CM, it's a position we have 783 players for. A striker is a must.
Good Lord.
As for CM, it's a position we have 783 players for. A striker is a must.
All of which range from mediocre, to average, to mildly good.
We need a proper creative CM in there. Monto is good at holding the ball, spreading play, calming things down and dictating play, but he's not a creative player. He doesn't have the vision to thread a pass, and we desperately need someone like that
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 14 2015, 05:31 PM)
Finally a decision that makes sense
All of which range from mediocre, to average, to mildly good.
We need a proper creative CM in there. Monto is good at holding the ball, spreading play, calming things down and dictating play, but he's not a creative player. He doesn't have the vision to thread a pass, and we desperately need someone like that
All of which range from mediocre, to average, to mildly good.
We need a proper creative CM in there. Monto is good at holding the ball, spreading play, calming things down and dictating play, but he's not a creative player. He doesn't have the vision to thread a pass, and we desperately need someone like that
Monto is good at jackshit. Mediocre, mediocre player.
We're already glorifying this as some sort of mercato masterstroke. I expect next Galliani to come out and say that Pazzini is the true signing of this window, it's all thanks to president Berlusconi, that we're fine as we are, nobody comes unless someone leaves...
Pazzo refuses to leave so we market a failed attempt to get Destro as a sensational retention of Pazzo.
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