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X-Offender
That is one of the craziest and most absurd propositions I've ever heard of. And it's sad that it's coming from an official of our club.
Jack Bauer
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han2503
So they want in on it without ever having to do the work or financial input that it requires to be in that competition, so typical of our management's new style of approach, cutting corners and taking shortcuts wherever they can without doing any leg work.

If this were to happen (never will in Galliani's wildest dreams) we'd be left with a Serie B squad. Just as long as they can get that CL money they won't care about much else
Danny
I'm the only fan who agrees with the Club on this.

Fucking Ludogorets, who sound like a throat lozenge, are in this, and Milan, Utd, Rangers, Celtic and a few others who should be there aren't.

Don't get me wrong, it IS desperate, but you have to question the appeal of the competition this year. More has been made about the teams NOT in it than those IN it.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 16 2014, 09:25 PM) *
I'm the only fan who agrees with the Club on this.

Fucking Ludogorets, who sound like a throat lozenge, are in this, and Milan, Utd, Rangers, Celtic and a few others who should be there aren't.

Don't get me wrong, it IS desperate, but you have to question the appeal of the competition this year. More has been made about the teams NOT in it than those IN it.


I can't believe you're saying this. Can't you see the absolute unfairness in all of it? Rewarding undeserving clubs like us and United, and disqualifying clubs who work hard all season only to be penalized by their inferior appeal and history. Everyone should have equal chances, be it Real Madrid or Ludogorets. The competition will never decline in appeal and financial income just because a few clubs don't make it every now and then.
kurtsimonw
The competition is already hilariously unbalanced in favour of the big nations.
X-Offender
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 16 2014, 10:57 PM) *
The competition is already hilariously unbalanced in favour of the big nations.


There's nothing to do about it though, is there? For small clubs participation in itself is the victory, having to play with European powerhouses at the most prestigious football club tournament in the world. The only thing UEFA can do is put all inferior clubs into their own groups, but that would make their games completely uninteresting, and they would still have to go out once in the KO stages regardless.
kurtsimonw
There's nothing that can be done now, no. Football essentially ended in 1992 and the Champions League is what killed it IMO.
Danny
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 16 2014, 09:17 PM) *
I can't believe you're saying this. Can't you see the absolute unfairness in all of it? Rewarding undeserving clubs like us and United, and disqualifying clubs who work hard all season only to be penalized by their inferior appeal and history. Everyone should have equal chances, be it Real Madrid or Ludogorets. The competition will never decline in appeal and financial income just because a few clubs don't make it every now and then.


I absolutely can see the unfairness in it, but money speaks louder than morals. Fact is a CL without Man Utd, Milan, Rangers and Celtic gets less viewers than one with them.

The level of sponsorship can be affected by losing the global interest of the estimated several hundred million fans those four clubs have in total.

And from a selfish point of view I really miss Rangers and Milan (and Utd) in the competition.

As an aside, I'd suggest an expansion to the CL so that seasons where big teams miss out, they can get a wildcard entry.

After all, by dismissing this idea you're also suggesting any sport which uses wildcards is undermining those who got there on merit.

As another aside, this competition lost its morals a long time ago anyway. It's no Champions League, it's a European Super Cup.
Danny
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 16 2014, 10:22 PM) *
There's nothing that can be done now, no. Football essentially ended in 1992 and the Champions League is what killed it IMO.


That's a bit unfair. It was only a rebranding of an existing tournament.

It was when non-champions got in, THAT'S when the tournament started losing its credibility as a 'Champions League'.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 17 2014, 02:02 AM) *
That's a bit unfair. It was only a rebranding of an existing tournament.

It was when non-champions got in, THAT'S when the tournament started losing its credibility as a 'Champions League'.

My bad, I thought the rebranding happened the same time as the none-Champion entries. So I completely agree, letting in a bunch of other clubs was what ruined it for me.
milanbuf88
QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 16 2014, 09:01 PM) *
I absolutely can see the unfairness in it, but money speaks louder than morals. Fact is a CL without Man Utd, Milan, Rangers and Celtic gets less viewers than one with them.

The level of sponsorship can be affected by losing the global interest of the estimated several hundred million fans those four clubs have in total.

And from a selfish point of view I really miss Rangers and Milan (and Utd) in the competition.

As an aside, I'd suggest an expansion to the CL so that seasons where big teams miss out, they can get a wildcard entry.

After all, by dismissing this idea you're also suggesting any sport which uses wildcards is undermining those who got there on merit.

As another aside, this competition lost its morals a long time ago anyway. It's no Champions League, it's a European Super Cup.


What sport actually uses wildcards other than the Ryder Cup competition in golf?
Jack Sparrow
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I think a few tennis tournaments do have this concept.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 16 2014, 10:17 PM) *
I can't believe you're saying this. Can't you see the absolute unfairness in all of it? Rewarding undeserving clubs like us and United, and disqualifying clubs who work hard all season only to be penalized by their inferior appeal and history. Everyone should have equal chances, be it Real Madrid or Ludogorets. The competition will never decline in appeal and financial income just because a few clubs don't make it every now and then.

Agreed, not to mention that those clubs won their league and are actually Champions plus had to go through the wringer to qualify for the group stage while the big nations have 3/2 sides automatically in it.

Sorry but this suggestion is ridiculous and I'm ashamed that it was once again Milan who come out with this BS
Fillipo Simone
Once again? Why, did we make any other suggestions?
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 17 2014, 01:23 PM) *
Once again? Why, did we make any other suggestions?


The European Cup has been modified over the years, the latest suggestion is just to further modify and expand the current edition of the same.

Clubs like Milan/inter will look for solutions to their problems, and one of them would be what was suggested.

I'd rather have Milan directly qualify for the competition, but if the same is unachievable then it is the executives job to be creative in finding solutions for such issues.
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 17 2014, 10:23 AM) *
Once again? Why, did we make any other suggestions?

Not suggestions but this goes along with many of the other themes we've seen the management put out. Like the most titled club in the world shtick they had going for a while.

They're not the same thing obviously but just more things that are embarrassing to this club's image. Saying that we should be given automatic entrance in the CL because we have history in the competition but couldn't be @arsed in terms of improving the team and actually fighting for a position fairly is imo embarrassing to the image of the club
Jack Sparrow
This is super old news. He came out on twitter and said it was just his personal opinion. I'm not a big fan of Gandini. I think he's poor at his job. I guess he's one of those nice blokes who almost all organizations keep around just coz they've always been there.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 17 2014, 02:37 PM) *
Not suggestions but this goes along with many of the other themes we've seen the management put out. Like the most titled club in the world shtick they had going for a while.

They're not the same thing obviously but just more things that are embarrassing to this club's image. Saying that we should be given automatic entrance in the CL because we have history in the competition but couldn't be @arsed in terms of improving the team and actually fighting for a position fairly is imo embarrassing to the image of the club

Naah, I don't buy into that so much as you do. But btw, why was that "most titled club in the world" thing so embarrassing? I think club officials in general talk too much and have stupid ideas (just think of Platini for starters). But no one cares, I truly believe this has zero impact on Milan's reputation.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 17 2014, 08:58 AM) *
I think a few tennis tournaments do have this concept.

Yep. Goran Ivanisevic wasn't ranked high enough to enter Wimbledon, but as he'd made Finals previously and had an injury that affected his ranking he was given permission to enter (and then won it).
Jack Bauer
What a meltdown by Roma. 0-3 after 25 mintes at home.
X-Offender
Bayern are just too good. 4-0.
Jack Bauer
0-4 after 30 minutes. Embarrassing.
Fillipo Simone
De Sanctis should seriously think about his retirement. What a horror performance.
han2503
So embarrassing to watch this as a Serie A fan...
X-Offender
Dear lord...
Jack Bauer
han2503
These Roma players must wish they can forfeit the game, at least the result would be more respectable.
X-Offender
Blame it on Garcia. He thought he could take Bayern on and went with a very offensive approach. But even so, Roma's defenders had no idea what the hell they were doing. Shambolic result, hopefully Bayern don't score more.
X-Offender
Did you guys know that Lahm has retired from the NT? Weird...
acid911
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 22 2014, 01:58 AM) *
Did you guys know that Lahm has retired from the NT? Weird...

Of course. sleep.gif Soon after the tournament.
X-Offender
6-1. What an amazing combination.
Jack Bauer
It's Brazil-Germany all over again.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Oct 21 2014, 09:30 PM) *
It's Brazil-Germany all over again.


Or ManU-Roma.
han2503
Terrible, terrible, terrible

Roma's tactical naivety plain to see here
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 21 2014, 10:58 PM) *
Did you guys know that Lahm has retired from the NT? Weird...

Why weird? He left at the top.
Danny
This result puts a lot of perspective on England, Russia, Germany and Italy.

Roma went to City and got a credible draw in a match many saw as a 'cracker' between a top Italian side and the English champions.

However Bayern absolutely demolishing them away shows how far Italy have fallen, and just how poor City are in Europe.

They threw away a 2-0 in Moscow and dropped another two points, and somehow Pellegrini's millionaires just cannot translate their domestic form to European competition.

The Group of Death is a stroll for Bayern, while Roma, miles behind them, are still miles ahead of City, who are significantly ahead of Moscow.

Italian sides are appalling in Europe, bar Milan.

Juve got that lucky win V Malmo but were easily beaten by Atleti, if not by as many scores as the gulf in class merited. And Roma comfortably beat the woeful CSKA, scraped a draw against a dire City, and were simply r*ped tonight by a Bayern who arguably aren't what they were under Heynckes.

Football. A funny old game.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 21 2014, 09:56 PM) *
Why weird? He left at the top.


He's only 30.
Fillipo Simone
Well Lahm has always been "special". He published a rather controversial autobiography that pinched quite a few players he played with. Beside this, Lahm left Germany at the top.
Danny
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 21 2014, 10:33 PM) *
He's only 30.


I'd suggest having won almost everything there is to win at NT level, he retired at the top.

And it helps prolong his club career.
Jack Sparrow
I've always disliked Roma. They're moaners through and through and I actually enjoy they got stuffed. F@ck em and their holier than thou attitude. Lazio anyday!
Fillipo Simone
Yeah, but this has not been about loving or liking Roma at all. Having the second team in Serie A get humiliated with 7 goals on their turf is something very bad for the whole Italian league.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 22 2014, 10:00 AM) *
Yeah, but this has not been about loving or liking Roma at all. Having the second team in Serie A get humiliated with 7 goals on their turf is something very bad for the whole Italian league.


Bayern got 4 from Madrid last year in Munich, Barça got 7 overall from Bayern two years ago. It's a terrible result, surely, but I wouldn't look so much into it. Everyone knows that Bayern are light years ahead of Roma. Garcia just approached the game in the worst possible way, and let Bayern do whatever they pleased. If they'd played more on the defensive and used their chances better, I'm sure the result wouldn't have been so tragic.
Danny
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 22 2014, 09:00 AM) *
Yeah, but this has not been about loving or liking Roma at all. Having the second team in Serie A get humiliated with 7 goals on their turf is something very bad for the whole Italian league.


Well personally I don't give a shite about the whole Italian league, just Milan.

I never did.

And I hate Roma. So EL OH EL.
X-Offender
Two curious facts:
1. Last time Roma lost with such a huge goal difference was against ManU in 2007, precisely 7-1
2. Last time a team coached by Garcia lost with such a huge goal difference was 6-1, when he was training Lille, against ... wait for it... Bayern biggrin.gif
William405
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 22 2014, 02:27 PM) *
Two curious facts:
1. Last time Roma lost with such a huge goal difference was against ManU in 2007, precisely 7-1
2. Last time a team coached by Garcia lost with such a huge goal difference was 6-1, when he was training Lille, against ... wait for it... Bayern biggrin.gif


1- Ohhh, I remember that match..some real battering.
2 laugh.gif laugh.gif ..He has some issues with Bayern.
X-Offender
Juve playing pretty well in the second half. Very unlucky not to have scored so far.
Jack Bauer
han2503
The Italian champions and their closest rivals humiliated in different ways this week, great couple of days for Italian football rolleyes.gif
X-Offender
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Oct 22 2014, 09:42 PM) *


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QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 22 2014, 09:44 PM) *
The Italian champions and their closest rivals humiliated in different ways this week, great couple of days for Italian football rolleyes.gif


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