It is obvious your laughing at me giving notice to a player whom you do not like. In anycase, trust you to keep up the same spirit in the match threads now that our starting DM has extended with us

I'm laughing at the fact that you called him a dependable servant (), more like a lazy idiot. And also at the fact that you're once again pointing out that all the coaches have relied on him when that in fact is not true. Seedorf certainly didn't and with Pippo as of yet it's difficult to tell but I can imagine him dropping him sooner rather than later with how Jack and even Poli are both performing. Not to mention the fact that Muntari nearly assisted Chievo not ONCE but TWICE last Saturday. Yeah, great dependable starting DM right there

Also love how you call him a DM when he spends more time level with the strikers than actually helping out De Jong in any defensive work, last I checked De Jong is suspended from the Verona game because he had to make a tactical foul because of Muntari once again giving up the ball in a dangerous area

But yeah, let's party that he got his contract renewed with a pay hike as well

Keep that jolly spirit up in match threads, the lad seems like he's gonna be here for some time to come. Whether you approve or not is irrelevant to the technical staff fielding him

He did??

Yep, last season till June 2016. One and a half years left, it's not that bad.

This is how I'll reply to your ridiculous Muntari posts from now onwards

What an example you set for forum goers

Mourinho - Muntari played 76% of games (80 of 105 available)
Allegri - Muntari played 83% of games (52 of 62 available)
Seedorf - Muntari played 78% of games (14 of 18 available)
Inzaghi - Muntari played 83% of games (5 of 6 available)

But no coach except Allegri ever dreams of using him. Ever.

How many of them were starts?

Thank you, I know you do your best at trolling us even worse than that so that's how I will reply to your very obvious attempts to rile people up about Muntari when you know 99% of people on here cannot stand him.

So I won't bother to waste my time trying to argue very valid points with you about how he should not be a starter with the aforementioned so as not to incite pointless arguments.


Ahh the magic question and even more enchanting number that would follow.

I know for a fact that Mourinho rarely used him as a starter, Seedorf as well.

These are his numbers at inter in all competitions

09/10: 18 starts, 18 sub appearances
10/11 Inter: 3 starts, 8 sub appearance +
10/11 Sunderland: 7 starts, 2 sub appearance on loan (because he was so good at Inter they just had to share him with Sunderland)
11/12: 1 start, 3 sub appearances

Before they promptly offloaded him to our knuckle head management who in recent history have an amazing track record of getting talent into the fold, Traore, Birsa, Zaccardo, Silvestre, to name but a few of the stellar names we've been lucky to have on our squads these last few years

Yes, these numbers are the very representation of a player that a club heavily relies on the fact is he has more sub appearances than he has start for Inter say it all.

57 starts and 23 sub appearances under Mourinho. Nice try.

Can you please provide a link from where you got that info? My numbers are from whoscored

Muntari stats by coach

^^ Pretty good site for any kind of statistical info if you're ever trying to find something.

I don't know how truly accurate those are as his total appearances under Mourinho (starts + subs) would amount to nearly all of his appearances at Inter and he was there for 2(?) more years after Mou.


Transfermarkt is hardly a bible for football, (neither is whoscored mind you), I just find them very accurate usually and personally I don't ever remember him being an important component of Mourinho's Inter, I do remember when he subbed him on late in a game and managed to get sent off within a few minutes.

It's very accurate and detailed. Muntari 08-09 season. You can sort a players career by pretty much anything. Season, competition, coach and it'll list all the games for that criteria.

Just for the record I do rate Muntari and was not attempting to 'rile people about XYZ', hence my comment on this thread was valid because In My Opinion, however it is not in yours ... Welcome to the Milan Fan forums and if there ever was a pointless argument why are you enticing it with me? Talk about trolling

You call your posts about him not trolling? HA! That's rich, and you've done this not just with Muntari and many others have pointed it out, but because I no longer wish to engage you any further in this debate you tell me that I am trolling and you're only stating your "opinion"...

Just take a look at your post that started this, the tone and wording are just begging for people to reply

But it doesn't show the starts, does it? At least I can't find them.

And now you have a PhD in linguistics?

Sad isn't it? You finally find someone who rates a player you do not, and what you do? You go about implanting motives of me trolling? THAT is rich!

Why do we feel the urge to continue long past discussions till everything sound like a broken record.

We're discussing Muntari now, Kurt has given us some interesting stats and tried to show how popular opinion and memory can be deceptive. Just hold on to that part of the discussion and forget the edgy parts. Please don't go into that trolling story: I'd like to think that all opinions are allowed and appreciated here, and there is NO NEED to engage a personal debate.

For the season by season, I'm not sure. It looks like it just shows the minutes.

For the general overview, it shows total appearances and it also shows how many times they were subbed in. So starts would be 'total appearances - sub appearances'.

For the 18 months after Mourinho, while he was still at Inter, it seems none of the coaches really fancied Muntari in their team. Benitez, Gasperini, Leonardo and Ranieri all seemed to not use him much. On one hand you could say it's because he's bad, but Leo aside those coaches hardly covered themselves in glory at Inter.

Muntari in all club competitions:

08/09: 33 starts - 3 subs
09/10: 23 starts - 20 subs
10/11: 11 starts - 10 subs
11/12: 15 starts - 3 subs
12/13: 12 starts - 6 subs
13/14: 26 starts - 9 subs

http://www.espnfc.com/

Oh and I believe Kurt has a pretty healthy outlook toward the club, its players and so on. It's just that Muntari is obviously disliked here. That's why the words useless and such are thrown around (by me too). I'm one of the people that just doesn't wanna see him in the line up. But he is obviously not useless. Just really mistake prone and somewhat lazy and that for me outweighs the benefits he offers. Thing is though, we can't really afford much better. Like Poli hasn't really been a World beater since we signed him. I always am noticing his niggling mistakes. But he has a do or die attitude and that makes me like him. Muntari? Not so much.

I can't really say I disagree with any of that. If I'm picking my current best Milan XI, Muntari is not on it. When I am not of the same critical level s some of you guys, it doesn't mean I rate him highly.

Except for the first two and last seasons, those are some pretty weak numbers considering it includes all competitions. Can't believe he started 26 games for us last season, though. It just tells you how far from grace we've fallen.

The middle 2 are weak. But is that a bad thing for Muntari? First 2 seasons, he played pretty regular, won Serie A titles, including a treble/CL win. The middle 2, where he barely played, Inter sucked. The fact he didn't play much is probably more of an argument for him than against him.

I do agree that it shows what we've become. Would he have enough been on the bench a decade or so ago? No way.

Love how you're playing innocent about this when you were obviously looking for people to reply to you.

And may I remind you that I wasn't the first one to bite on to the lure.

It's just like when we're having a debate about Pippo or in the past Seedorf and you come in with your sarcasm about how Pippo is an idiot because most of us couldn't stand Allegri so obviously we're all dumb and can't see the good in a coach.


He had 7 starts at Sunderland in 10/11 and his 11/12 numbers are mostly boosted by Allegri since we got him mid season, his last 2 seasons at Inter he got something like 2 and 3 starts respectively.

His numbers in his first 2 seasons at Inter are strong, I have to admit that, but Mourinho also subbed him off something like 38 times in total over those 2 seasons

Because it's either brought up or we're in a match thread and one can't help but comment?

R7 brought Muntari up and was clearly looking for a debate with his and loyal servant cr@p about Muntari, and during a match thread he's usually so bad that one can't help himself but notice Muntari and comment about how bad he is. So you think that because this is an exhausted subjected we should for example ignore the fact that he's just tried to assist the opposing team 3 times and got De Jong suspended for the following game in the process?

What type of a picture are you trying to paint? That I lure people in to sarcastic comments? That I play innocent? Why are you skewing the intention of my original post.

This is a Muntari thread and if I choose to praise the lad, then I will. Last I heard the internet has over 3bn users, not just han and his buddies!


PS There is an old Arab proverb "Judging a person does not define who they are ... It defines who you are".

Say what you will but you know what I'm talking about, it's not just about Muntari, you do this countless times and you've been called out on it just as much, and not by me, this is the first time that I actually said anything instead of ignoring it.

No I honestly do not know what you are talking about. But it seems like you have something personal against me in a general sense and not just my opinion on Muntari? Now I understand.

Fillipo, take note!

Lol, are you serious?? I can post one huge post right here and now on people calling you out on your bating posts as I took time out of my day to actually look back through posts and compile it.

If you want me to do it say so and I will, your call.

I have nothing against you, I might completely disagree with you about your opinions on the management and FFP and such and I respect those opinions no matter how strongly I disagree with them, what I cannot respect is you constantly bating people with sarcastic posts bordering on trolling the forum to rile people up.

And this is also something that I have documented on my hard drive on a note pad with your posts and their dates and times.

I don't have anything against anyone here on a personal level, that's just not my style, I've had blow outs with many people with regards to footballing matters, ask Danny and kurt , but I never go past the invisible line with anyone, and I've ignored your bating posts more than once now choosing to not reply when others have, but now that I have gone down to that level and chosen to troll you back you get offended.

For the fourth time today, it was my opinion on Muntari. Not yours not your buddies, but mine. So no, you were trolling all by yourself.

You don't have anything personal against me? And your compiling a memoir of people opposed to my opinion on matters? Dude there is a block member feature on this forum, I use it to block off the noises I don't like. Maybe you should too.

Waaw, threats and my calls? Your really eager to derail the initial issue of you not respecting an opinion with a new twist of events whereby I am the troll on this forum? Well, since you took the time out to actually compile such a record, it would be such a shame not to be put to use.

Really? Guys? C'mon. Knock it off. I like Muntari too. He's a limited player but a good bloke. I prefer him to toxins anyway.

Not derailing anything, just saying you have a long history of bating people and your "opinion" of Muntari was another case of this.

And it's really not about people disagreeing with your opinion and you know this. I took the time to compile the posts because you're trying to act the innocent about this when there's a long history of this behaviour from you, if you want I'll be kind enough to PM the post to you so as not to show it in front of others, but even so you know what I'm talking about.

Once again, I have nothing against you, don't know what you mean with the threats and calls thing, but I hate it when people try to act two faced. Which is why I called you out to begin with.

From now on I won't reply again to you when you're doing your obvious little jig, like I said, when you post valid opinions and posts (even if I completely disagree with them) I respect them, but as I said, I cannot respect you when you're throwing around your one line bating posts, just gets on my nerves.

Limited being the key word Jack

And this is not about Muntari, Muntari is so far from the point here that he's not even a blip on the radar.

only muntari could do such a thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOXDqeosDvg

I could show you Pirlo and Seedorf at Inter and you'd laugh at them too.

Typical Muntari tackles

That has got to be one of the dumbest things a footballer has ever done.

Han, I dislike Muntari playing for us almost as strongly as you and X do but I have to tell you that you don't come off well in this sequence of posts. More than a little unhealthily focused on R7 and his posting. Regardless how you feel about his opinions he is certainly within his rights to post as sarcastically and snarky as he likes. If you don't like it then ignore it. Attempting to repress R7s opinions is pretty ridiculous.

Like I said, this is the first time I've ever personally mentioned his posting "style" it has nothing to do with Muntari, many others have pointed out that his sarcasm or blatant bating was annoying.

Frankly I don't care how I come off looking, I was just fed up with it and simply had to say something, I only took it to another level because he's trying to act the innocent now after he's done this many times over in the past.

Like I said to R7, I absolutely have nothing against him and he's usually a good poster but he does this kind of thing on many occasions and I really don't see what's the use in it

Oh and repressing opinion? Please!! Talk about taking it to another level, he can still say whatever the hell he likes, same as you and me, I just stated my opinion about how I don't like that he's constantly doing this and initially I only used the because I couldn't even be bothered to get into it with him but he took offense to it, which is why I replied and explained why I was doing it

I back you up on this, since no-one is willing to do it. R7 does this trolling thing very often. It used to piss me off in the past, but nowadays I just ignore anything he says. He's either kissing the management's @ss or pulling off sarcastic posts in order to rile people up.

Han did nothing wrong, and he certainly didn't offend anyone. Anything he's said has been nothing but truth.

But R7 has a degree in finance. He is above all this. He wins.

Let's talk about Muntari, shall we?

Ummm, he's a terrible player, that's about it

Watch this.

It's in Italian, but it doesn't matter. Just watch Muntari's reaction.