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kurtsimonw
QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 19 2011, 10:05 PM) *
It's not the players' faults, Flamini, Gattuso and VB do their job, which is recovering balls, aside from that they cannot produce any game changing plays, and it's ridiculous to expect them to. They cannot bring in the attack into the game, Allegri relies on Ibra for that with the long ball. Once Ibra was out, and he sill insisted with that ridiculous midfield setup this was bound to happen. Again, he should have at least played Boateng or Urby, if not both, a coach who wants to win would do that, Allegri was just hoping to win.

Even when subs were made it was no different.

We have to sort out concentration on marking too, 2 straight games we've conceeded from a set peice.
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Mar 19 2011, 11:35 PM) *
Even when subs were made it was no different.

We have to sort out concentration on marking too, 2 straight games we've conceeded from a set peice.

The sub were incorrect as well imo, Gattuso should have been taken out, not VB, I don't care about the yellow, but Gattuso was a huge problem trying to create attacing play, Seedorf should have been left to play behind the strikers while Boateng should have been given free reign from central midfield. Boateng essentially was brought in for nothing, he was ineffective drowned out in that wall of pink.

Robinho should have come on earlier, he was the one that made the biggest difference, and a pro-active coach would have brought him on in the first half imo, when it was clear as day that Pato and Cassano were never going to get anywhere near a scoring chance. His runs would have made space for them.

Had Allegri at least played a Seedorf, Boateng, VB midfield with, Robs, Cassano and Pato in front of them, we could have at least say that we tried and imo would have faired a lot better. The damage control attitide he takes from the start is just disgustng to see. His entire system revolves around trying to avoid conceeding and HOPING to score.
anano1214
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 19 2011, 09:38 PM) *
Well, let's see if Allegri will say "5 points are a lot" in his next press conference. rolleyes.gif


QUOTE
Allegri: 'We're still on top'

Massimiliano Allegri is keeping calm after Milan’s surprise loss in Sicily. “We’re still top of the table. A defeat can happen.”

The Rossoneri fell 1-0 to Palermo this evening, their first away defeat since the trip to Cesena in Week 2.

“Going down early on was not helpful and we didn’t play well in the first half, especially the final third,” said Allegri.

“It was better after the break, although considering all our possession, we didn’t have enough shots on target.

“Although it was better to avoid it, a defeat can happen. Fortunately we are going into the break for international duty now and have time to get our ideas in order. In any case, we are still top of the table, then we’ll see what Inter and Napoli do tomorrow.”


If Inter beat Lecce at San Siro, they’ll move to within two points of Milan with the derby coming up in a fortnight.

Zlatan Ibrahimovic will be suspended for that clash, as today he began his three-match ban.

“There’s no point talking about how important Ibra is for us, but tonight we should’ve done more. We have to analyse what didn’t work.

“Alexandre Pato and Antonio Cassano were playing as a pair for the first time, so it’s natural it’d take a while to settle. I had to look at the full 90 minutes, as Robinho is tired and Kevin-Prince Boateng cannot play a full game at the moment.

“I remain convinced Milan are the favourites for the Scudetto, so even if things go badly, we’ll still be two points in front.”


Football Italia
X-Offender
He said exactly that a defeat against Palermo is acceptable. Seriously, if this ain't small club mentality, then shoot me.
drucurl
Again sorry to sound like a broken record but if Allegri knew that Pato and Cass would have had trouble gelling...then whyyyyyyy oh whyyyyyyyyy didn't he do something to improve the supply to the final third?? Isn't this facepalmingly obvious?? The more chances they had TOGETHER the more opportunity we'd have ad to score.

As it was cASSano looked more stranded out on that magical island on the left than people ever accused Ronaldinho of ever being....The thinking of Cassano was clearly too intricate and indirect for a hungry, selfish forward like Pato. A lot of times they got their runs mixed up and Cassano would do dummies that Pato wouldn't read etc etc. The whole team is woefully incohesive and AGAIN I have no one else to blame but Allegri. I believe that Robinho has a slightly better football I.Q. than Pato and they would have combined better and also feed the duck better than using Cassano in that position.

But then again Allegri is known for these idiotic decisions. Who can forget his laughable farce of offering Ronaldinho a last chance by fielding him and Robinho up front with no supply dry.gif

Additionally, we had no right to lose this game...but then again we had even LESS right to draw against Bari. Allegri is proving himself to be an iBra dependent $#!t coach and if we win the scudetto it would be inspite of him and not because of his incredible dearth of creativity. You see a small club coach only has to avoid defeats and do better than expected to be lauded as the second coming of Capello. Managing a big club requires you to come up with creative and resourceful solutions to SUCCEED. Not sure Allegri has either
X-Offender
Anyone hoping for a draw of Inter tomorrow? Cause I'm not.
drucurl
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 19 2011, 07:24 PM) *
Anyone hoping for a draw of Inter tomorrow? Cause I'm not.

Neither me we have to hope they lose dry.gif
drucurl
Allegri's own words:
"It would have been better to avoid this defeat to Palermo but I still have confidence in this team. Now there is a break and hopefully we can come up with some fresh ideas. Let's see what Inter and Napoli do."
granted it's from goal.crap but it really sums up how he thinks and that he's a reactionary @$$ b!tch
X-Offender
Pato to be out for circa 15 days. Derby at risk.
Jack Bauer
I'm not optimistic. The team looks impotent right now and we have a tougher schedule (besides the derby, we still have Roma, Fiorentina and Udinese away). Another meda scudetto will be very painful.

Not looking forward towards the Robinho - Fatssano partnership in the derby.
Ry4n
QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 20 2011, 02:05 AM) *
Blame the team? What do you expect a midfield of Gattuso, Flamini, Van Bommel and Seedorf to do exactly?????? Turn into Xavi, Iniesta and Messi??? FFS, they have limits, they're just destroyers, you play all of them what do you expect to get, beutiful football. Allegri is at fault for putting out that team, everyone expected the same sh!tty performances we saw in the last few games, and guess what? He delivered on that!!! He had other option on the bench, Robinho should have started, his running would have cleared space for Pato and Cassano to at least move more then a foot with the ball before it was taken away, Boateng should have started in midfield, if he wasn't fit enough then Urby should have been given the chance, he at least would have added some dimension into that flat uncreative midfield!!

Blamin the players is low, and imo another attempt to excuse Allegri's blatant mistakes. Ibra might have been cr@p lately but he still hid most of his short comings, he at least managed to bring in the others by holding up the long ball, today we saw Allegri's tactics for what they really are. Again you're blaming the players, but please enlighten me, what did you expect Gattuso and Flamini to do? Score 30 yard goals, send Pato or Cassano through wih a magnificent through ball? Bring in our FBs with their amazing ability to spread play? rolleyes.gif It's a ridiculous accusation, Allegri is reaping what he's sown imo, if you put in stale lemon in the juicer you can't expect to get some Hawiian tropic juice in return, you end up with stale leom juice. It's basic tactics 101. What big clubs do you see playing with 3 F'ing distructive midfielders???


It's not the players' faults, Flamini, Gattuso and VB do their job, which is recovering balls, aside from that they cannot produce any game changing plays, and it's ridiculous to expect them to. They cannot bring in the attack into the game, Allegri relies on Ibra for that with the long ball. Once Ibra was out, and he sill insisted with that ridiculous midfield setup this was bound to happen. Again, he should have at least played Boateng or Urby, if not both, a coach who wants to win would do that, Allegri was just hoping to win.

I'm not saying just blame just the players i'm saying everyone has blame but yes Allegri more then the players of course for putting that line up out in the first place.

All thats really missing right now is transitional play in mid field we all can see that we defo need to buy a deep lying mid this summer or we are fucked again.

Pirlo is missed. I hope he is available for the derby. Judging by reports, I think he should be available. Maybe not a starter but definitely someone who can play a 20 minute cameo. I have to say Seedorf as the deep playmaker was not bad. His days as the CAM are up though. For the derby, start Seedorf in deep-laying role and then sub for Pirlo.

Antonini is just horrible. He gave away possession, missed passes and threw himself at attackers. Sad to see Janku hobbling away. He was actually having a decent run on the left flank. I dont mind seeing 3 DMs bur Urby at left-back would have been a better option than bringing in Luca.

Allegri over the last few weeks seems to lack the inspiration of the coach of a big-league European team. He is conservative in his tactics and I think after Leo that was required. But he sorely lacks in the creativity department. The fact that our bench is so bad doesnt help too. But yes, I would loose one of the DMs for Prince any day.

Hopefully Inter draws tonight or loses rolleyes.gif




Match Analysis From Football Italia Website.

http://www.football-italia.net/bigmatch/pal1mil0.html

Match Analysis: Palermo 1-0 Milan

Palermo’s tactics invited heavy Milan pressure on their defence, but they are showing signs of improvement under Serse Cosmi, reflected in a great result
Milan arrived in Sicily with a makeshift strike-force to test Palermo’s troubled back-line. Massimiliano Allegri fielded Clarence Seedorf up front in suspended Zlatan Ibrahimovic’s absence, whilst Serse Cosmi continued with his 5-3-2 shape.

The most worrying aspect to Cosmi’s so far troubled tactical switch in Sicily has come from pushing Giulio Migliaccio into defence and breaking up the midfield trio of the No 8, Antonio Nocerino and Armin Bacinovic. Under Delio Rossi, the three showed intelligent positional sense and organisation that guaranteed excellent coverage of the pitch. Whilst Josip Ilicic has been pulled into the central three, his unfamiliarity with the defensive aspects of the deeper position, combined with having not played there before Cosmi’s arrival, has resulted in a midfield unable to exert itself in the same manner at the moment.

Milan highlighted this, immediately taking command of possession and regularly moving the ball through the centre of the pitch with ease and at pace, bringing the Rosanero into open-play defensive set-ups with more regularity and for longer periods than seen under Rossi.

Frustratingly however for Milan, the early domination came to nothing and, failing to make the ball stick in the final third, this was followed by the opening goal going Palermo’s way. Off the back of some neat movement at a corner, the second phase of the set-piece saw Alessandro Nesta lose Dorin Goian, who close to offside, was left with time to control and finish from six yards out. Massimiliano Allegri will be anxious to understand how his team conceded from the home side’s first attack, given the Rossoneri’s otherwise comfortable start to proceedings.

Whilst Palermo’s tactics invited pressure through midfield, the defence began to show signs of benefit from the extra centre-back. In falling behind, Milan continued to hold possession but struggled to find a way through the home side’s defence. Allegri’s team pushed its full-backs higher up the pitch to add wide support, but where this tactic has previously stretched four-man defences, Palermo remained an unbroken back-line given the extra man in there, and the fact that Seedorf, Antonio Cassano and Alexandre Pato did not represent an aerial threat from any crosses that came in.

It resulted in Milan persisting with working through the centre of the pitch, but with Bacinovic and Nocerino dropping deep, it saw five pink shirts face up against three Rossonero shirts in a crowded space around the D outside Palermo’s penalty area. Disconcertingly for the League leaders, Palermo’s limited forays into their half highlighted some hesitant Diavolo defending, Cosmi’s side causing more trouble in three attacks than any of Milan’s in the first half.

Milan finished the half without a shot on target to show for 61 per cent possession. They then played the entire second half in a state reminiscent of the start of the season - pushing forward in numbers and opening up a vulnerability to counter-attacks - with Palermo breaking three times in the first four minutes and throughout the second 45.

Milan’s best chances came when inviting Cosmi’s team forward and giving Cassano and Pato space at the other end to utilise. It was the kind of space otherwise lacking without Ibrahimovic to directly occupy one of the centre-backs.

The Rosanero will no doubt take great encouragement from the improved defensive display, but with the front-line generally unsupported and ineffective, it sets the team up as a counter-attacking team, and it remains to be seen if this can develop as a step forward from Rossi’s work. For Milan, the fortnight that follows promises further debate of their dependence on Ibrahimovic.
Rossoneri7
I don't know .. Seems like 1st place is slipping out of our grip. la merda win today and the gap will be +2 ... They win the Derby and it is bye bye 1st place.

I have this gut feeling we will loose the Derby and in that we will free fall down the table to probably 3rd place by the end of the season.

Allegri will fire blanks with his brain farts.


.... Once upon a time, Carlo Ancelotti king.gif
d'Arc.LP
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Mar 20 2011, 06:29 AM) *
I don't know .. Seems like 1st place is slipping out of our grip. la merda win today and the gap will be +2 ... They win the Derby and it is bye bye 1st place.


On the other side, if Inter draws today against Lecce and we win in derby than we'll be +7 points and Scudetto is ours. So there is still a good chance for us to win it and I hope the confidence among players is high.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Mar 20 2011, 10:44 AM) *
On the other side, if Inter draws today against Lecce and we win in derby than we'll be +7 points and Scudetto is ours. So there is still a good chance for us to win it and I hope the confidence among players is high.


You see, I am not comfortable with Allegri as coach. I can't understand what he is doing tbh, he has a very strong team (regardless of injuries), whereby he has enough quality on the bench to ensure 3 points in every game.

Two consecutive negative results heading into the derby is a matter for alarm. If Allegri does not manage to win in the derby, then you can kiss good bye all the positive good work that the lads have done up till now.

Moreover, please keep in mind that Napoli are even more hungry than Milan & inter combined; hence you will be facing an uphill battle if they continue their surge, coupled with Milan stretching this negative period into the derby and beyond.


d'Arc.LP
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Mar 20 2011, 09:35 AM) *
You see, I am not comfortable with Allegri as coach. I can't understand what he is doing tbh, he has a very strong team (regardless of injuries), whereby he has enough quality on the bench to ensure 3 points in every game.

Two consecutive negative results heading into the derby is a matter for alarm. If Allegri does not manage to win in the derby, then you can kiss good bye all the positive good work that the lads have done up till now.

Moreover, please keep in mind that Napoli are even more hungry than Milan & inter combined; hence you will be facing an uphill battle if they continue their surge, coupled with Milan stretching this negative period into the derby and beyond.


I don't really like Allegri, but the defeat against Palermo was NOT his fault. Robinho, Nesta, Seedorf and Gattuso are tired. Kevin Boateng just recovered from an injury and was not fit for the game. Pato-Cassano duo played together for the first time and it's understandable that they needed time to get to know each other. All I'm trying to say is that he made the right choices but that was not our night, so we don't need to stop and blame Allegri for each misake we make. When Pirlo recevers, we'll have more creativity in midfield and results will come.
samira
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 20 2011, 01:03 AM) *
Pato to be out for circa 15 days. Derby at risk.


O dear God !!! Does this day have to get any worse?
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE
I don't really like Allegri, but the defeat against Palermo was NOT his fault. Robinho, Nesta, Seedorf and Gattuso are tired.

No? Well, ask yourself then why those players look/are tired (and I wouldn't include Seedorf as a tired man)?? Why was Ibrahimovic exhausted? I know the answer, don't you?
d'Arc.LP
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 20 2011, 11:05 AM) *
No? Well, ask yourself then why those players look/are tired (and I wouldn't include Seedorf as a tired man)?? Why was Ibrahimovic exhausted? I know the answer, don't you?


And that's why i don't like Allegri, but if we watch the situation against Palermo as not connected with Allegri's actions in the past, then we can see that he did the best thing he could.
I_Rossoneri
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 20 2011, 10:05 AM) *
No? Well, ask yourself then why those players look/are tired (and I wouldn't include Seedorf as a tired man)?? Why was Ibrahimovic exhausted? I know the answer, don't you?


Why doesn't Allegri rest them more often then? After all he does have a squad to choose from! Allegri is an absolute clueless coach who has no balls. He sets his team out with three DM's and hopes one of the front three can do something! I'm not a coach but even I know we cannot continue playing in this negative fashion if we want to win the league.

han2503
I'm really starting to wonder why Silvio has kept his mouth shut. In the past had Carlo or Leo tried the sh!t Allegri has Silvio would have dragged them through the mud. 3 DMs would have never been accepted by Silvio in the past
Zed.D
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Mar 20 2011, 09:59 AM) *
.... Once upon a time, Carlo Ancelotti king.gif

The coach who won a staggering 1 Scudetto... devilsmiley.gif
X-Offender
QUOTE (samira @ Mar 20 2011, 11:07 AM) *
O dear God !!! Does this day have to get any worse?


Well, according to Sportmediaset today, Pato should get fit for the derby.

QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Mar 20 2011, 02:02 PM) *
Why doesn't Allegri rest them more often then? After all he does have a squad to choose from! Allegri is an absolute clueless coach who has no balls. He sets his team out with three DM's and hopes one of the front three can do something! I'm not a coach but even I know we cannot continue playing in this negative fashion if we want to win the league.


Yup. Why didn't Allegri rest Ibrahimovic against Bari, when he knew exactly how tired he was? Why does he keep playing with three DMs, when he had on bench players like Emanuelson, Boateng and Robinho? You said it right I_R, he is clueless and he has no balls. Perfect description.
kurtsimonw
I nominate han to open the Inter match thread, he did it last time and we won.
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Mar 20 2011, 05:33 PM) *
I nominate han to open the Inter match thread, he did it last time and we won.

I'll try... But my record hasn't been great lately...
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Mar 20 2011, 04:23 PM) *
The coach who won a staggering 1 Scudetto... devilsmiley.gif


devilsmiley.gif
KillerMax
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Mar 20 2011, 08:23 AM) *
The coach who won a staggering 1 Scudetto... devilsmiley.gif


I like Carlo and will always be thankful for what he achieved with us, but I think it was the right thing to part ways. That said, Carletto's team struck fear in EVERY team in CL games. I just remember I would hear the CL theme song, see Inzaghi's face in the line up and just know things were about to get special! devil.gif
Fillipo Simone
I'm pretty sure he'll get a second strike at Milan sometime.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Mar 20 2011, 03:23 PM) *
The coach who won a staggering 1 Scudetto... devilsmiley.gif


And two Champions Leagues. wink.gif
Zed.D
Carlo is a CL great, no question. I was talking about his league record with Juve and Milan which is average at best.
Jack Sparrow
Calcipoli... dry.gif At least one scudetto was lost coz of that. And the last two years of his reign shouldn't count. That was him getting f@cked by the recession. dry.gif

Oh..if he had been given this team we've built!! Spurs would be roadkill. sleep.gif
Fillipo Simone
Indeed smile.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Mar 25 2011, 01:58 PM) *
Calcipoli... dry.gif At least one scudetto was lost coz of that. And the last two years of his reign shouldn't count. That was him getting f@cked by the recession. dry.gif

Oh..if he had been given this team we've built!! Spurs would be roadkill. sleep.gif


Still .. he is "The coach who won a staggering 1 Scudetto... devilsmiley.gif "
X-Offender
Better one scudetto than no scuetto at all. wink.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Mar 25 2011, 10:58 AM) *
Oh..if he had been given this team we've built!! Spurs would be roadkill. sleep.gif

The team we had in the early-mid 2000s should've made anyone roadkill.. not with Carlo in charge.
acid911
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Mar 26 2011, 05:04 AM) *
The team we had in the early-mid 2000s should've made anyone roadkill.. not with Carlo in charge.

Word. smile.gif That was one scary squad, legends, NT captains (I think there were at least six of them here with us, Paolo, Cafu, Sheva, Šimić, Tomasson and Kaladze), around three pure #10s, young guns and old veterans. If things went right with the coach and the management, we could have had 20 titles and our 2nd star on the shirt. Now I dread inter may get it before us.

Hopefully not, but that was one missed opportunity at the start of the decade with the team we had assembled.
Fillipo Simone
Calciopoli. And we're inclinded to forget that Juventus had a fantastic side and great coaches too.
Why does it always get to the same point? We had a brilliant and remarkable team, yet lost because of Carletto and stupid management? Don't you think it's a bit shallow?
kurtsimonw
Not really. I thought we had a great team and for the most part the players performed. Unfortunately when you have a coach who is stubborn and doesn't cange anything, teams find it easier to gameplan against you, regardless of how good your players are.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (acid911 @ Mar 26 2011, 03:56 AM) *
Word. smile.gif That was one scary squad, legends, NT captains (I think there were at least six of them here with us, Paolo, Cafu, Sheva, Šimić, Tomasson and Kaladze), around three pure #10s, young guns and old veterans. If things went right with the coach and the management, we could have had 20 titles and our 2nd star on the shirt. Now I dread inter may get it before us.

Hopefully not, but that was one missed opportunity at the start of the decade with the team we had assembled.


Well what of the Galácticos of Madrid at the turn of the century? They surely should have been able to rack up all the trophies that were up for grabs, no?
Jack Sparrow
I was just gonna bring that up. smile.gif Since it also brings up the 'any coach could win with that team' argument. biggrin.gif
Fillipo Simone
Ah, there's no point in arguing. Carletto will remain the coach with a staggering one scudetto.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Mar 26 2011, 06:48 PM) *
Well what of the Galácticos of Madrid at the turn of the century? They surely should have been able to rack up all the trophies that were up for grabs, no?



QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Mar 26 2011, 07:02 PM) *
I was just gonna bring that up. smile.gif Since it also brings up the 'any coach could win with that team' argument. biggrin.gif

Well, in 4 years Del Bosque won 2 league titles and 2 European Cups. So probably not the strongest arguement.

In any case, I fail to see what relevance it has. Where has anyone said that the Madrid squad shouldn't have won more? I think most of the coaches that've followed Del Bosque have been pretty poor, I fail to see what that has to do with Milan and Carlo?

Fillipo mentioned in a prev ious post that Juventus had a great side. They did, yet in 2 years there Carlo won nothing. A decade at Milan/Juve and he won 1 league titles.. yet Allegri gets criticised because it's the players winning the title! laugh.gif laugh.gif Yeah, because the team we have now is better than what Carlo had.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE
Fillipo mentioned in a prev ious post that Juventus had a great side. They did, yet in 2 years there Carlo won nothing. A decade at Milan/Juve and he won 1 league titles.. yet Allegri gets criticised because it's the players winning the title! laugh.gif laugh.gif Yeah, because the team we have now is better than what Carlo had.

Interesting manipulation, but it failed wink.gif
kurtsimonw
EDIT: Not worth it. Really can not be bothered.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Mar 27 2011, 01:40 AM) *
EDIT: Not worth it. Really can not be bothered.

Sorry, but oviously I was not talking of the squad Ancelotti managed at Juventus. It was a period of crisis at Juve and had nothing to do with the later success with players like Trez, Thuram, Cannavaro, Buffon. Different teams.
Zed.D
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 26 2011, 11:41 PM) *
Ah, there's no point in arguing. Carletto will remain the coach with a staggering one scudetto.

That's a FACT! devilsmiley.gif
Fillipo Simone
Agreed. Only problem is: interpretation.
Zed.D
I respect Carlo for his CL record, but when it comes to his league record, I don't see anything special to praise if I'm honest.
drucurl
target practise nowww! pato is truly becoming our big game player cool.gif
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (drucurl @ Apr 2 2011, 09:12 PM) *
target practise nowww! pato is truly becoming our big game player cool.gif

Wrong thread perhaps? wink.gif
acid911
laugh.gif Happens.
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