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And I think he is performing pretty decently. We know he's a goal poacher...he needs to be in the box. When was the last time he's been afforded that luxury?
I think his performances have been extraordinary average. I think we shouldn't wait too long for him to perform well.
He's 27. And while yes, he's scored some goals, he's hardly the type of player Milan needs (assuming Leonardo remains as coach and sticks rigidly to the 4-3-3) and I don't think he's got the right mentality. His performance at Old Trafford was shocking.
GO FAR AWAY.
GO FAR AWAY.
He needs to go end season. We will not win prizes with him NOR with Borriello; we need someone like... well, Dzeko is a well-known example.
And I think KJH should be tried one season, with a system that actually plays to his strengths.
I see no point, in playing him on the wing and then saying he sucks...he was a bad investment. We're making the same mistake we did with Gila. Letting a player get the brunt of the blame for what's essentially a wrong system for him.
I suppose it's up to Leo whether he will stick to the 4-3-3 or not. Though he could play the 4-3-3 with Pato playing more in the centre...as support to enable KJH to play in the box.
To do this we would need an awesome RB though.
I wanted Dzeko coz he looks to me like a wildcard who can play in any position in that forward line. I'm guessing from a total of watching about 60 mins of Wolfsburg and 3 or 4 youtube vids..so I could be completely wrong. . But if he is we need a player with that kind of versatility.
I see no point, in playing him on the wing and then saying he sucks...he was a bad investment. We're making the same mistake we did with Gila. Letting a player get the brunt of the blame for what's essentially a wrong system for him.
I suppose it's up to Leo whether he will stick to the 4-3-3 or not. Though he could play the 4-3-3 with Pato playing more in the centre...as support to enable KJH to play in the box.
To do this we would need an awesome RB though.
I wanted Dzeko coz he looks to me like a wildcard who can play in any position in that forward line. I'm guessing from a total of watching about 60 mins of Wolfsburg and 3 or 4 youtube vids..so I could be completely wrong. . But if he is we need a player with that kind of versatility.
To field Huntelaar in a system that plays to his strengths, the team will need a different coach. Leonardo does not seem willing or able to field anything but a 4-3-3
QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Mar 12 2010, 12:30 PM) 
To field Huntelaar in a system that plays to his strengths, the team will need a different coach. Leonardo does not seem willing or able to field anything but a 4-3-3
4-3-3 is actually Huntelaar's formation....
We have to see. He might be fielding the 4-3-3 solely because it is handing in the results. Giving us the best of R80 and the speed of Pato, while Borriello does the holding up.
The only players who lose out in this formation are the poachers.
The only players who lose out in this formation are the poachers.
The 4-3-3 did so well against Manchester?
Nope. We didn't have the players to play anything else I feel. Zee couldn't last all those minutes...so the 4-3-2-1 was out. What I do know is the 4-3-3 took us from lower table (14th) to 4 points shy of the leaders.
Would you play a 4-2-4 with Pippo in the mix as well. Flam and Pirlo in a central pivot..I don't think so...we'd be overrun.
@Chu_Lip: Well the formation is called the same..it's the way you structure it. KJH cannot/does no stay in the box in Leo's system. I don't know if he's trying too hard or it's the formation...but if he can't be in the box his scoring chances drop by 60% probably.
For instance the 4-3-1-2 with Kaka and with Rui were completely different in style. A 4-3-1-2 with 2 DMs as opposed to one DM is again different. That's what I meant. I meant 'Leo's 4-3-3'.
Would you play a 4-2-4 with Pippo in the mix as well. Flam and Pirlo in a central pivot..I don't think so...we'd be overrun.
@Chu_Lip: Well the formation is called the same..it's the way you structure it. KJH cannot/does no stay in the box in Leo's system. I don't know if he's trying too hard or it's the formation...but if he can't be in the box his scoring chances drop by 60% probably.
For instance the 4-3-1-2 with Kaka and with Rui were completely different in style. A 4-3-1-2 with 2 DMs as opposed to one DM is again different. That's what I meant. I meant 'Leo's 4-3-3'.
4-3-3 is actually a brilliant system to field a single striker, poacher or not. And while I understand your hopes in Hunter I can not share them. He's a good player, just like Gila was, but the chemistry between Milan and KjH doesn't seem to be good. Sometimes those things can't be overcome by any tactical suggestion I think.
I admit, I'm going out on a limb . I used to be a detractor myself, till he surprised me against Roma. Not with his finishing...but his willingness to work outside his comfort zone. There really was nothing stopping him from cribbing about the system...but he has put his head down. He's worked for this team, I'd like the team to return the favour.
Secondly it's those goal scoring spurts he goes on. If you look at it, none of those goal were what you call lucky poacher strikes. He does have ability. Can he be Nistelroy? Maybe not...but we won't know till we try.
As for the 4-3-3...if you see how we play, I don't see R80 supporting in the box, I don't see Pato doing it as much either. They dribble in and wait for Borriello to drag off the defenders opening space. This can't be expected of a bloke who's basically a poacher.
I say buy Dzeko. Play him with Hunter till the winter, if KJH still sucks loan him off with a buy option. I think we will at least recoup our initial investment...
Secondly it's those goal scoring spurts he goes on. If you look at it, none of those goal were what you call lucky poacher strikes. He does have ability. Can he be Nistelroy? Maybe not...but we won't know till we try.
As for the 4-3-3...if you see how we play, I don't see R80 supporting in the box, I don't see Pato doing it as much either. They dribble in and wait for Borriello to drag off the defenders opening space. This can't be expected of a bloke who's basically a poacher.
I say buy Dzeko. Play him with Hunter till the winter, if KJH still sucks loan him off with a buy option. I think we will at least recoup our initial investment...
Sell Borriello keep this dude 
Dzeko please. Having seen alot more of him in the past month or so I am positive he'll be great with the right supporting cast. I reckon he'd be fully worth the gamble.
Me and Bluey's word weren't good enough you for huh? 
Sometimes I wonder why we're still friends.
Sometimes I wonder why we're still friends.
how we can say no to dzeko. Look at his highlight videos on youtube! So SExy!
Oh great! 
You're bringing Sexy back?
You're bringing Sexy back?
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Mar 26 2010, 02:38 AM)
Me and Bluey's word weren't good enough you for huh?
Sometimes I wonder why we're still friends.
Sometimes I wonder why we're still friends.
I'm sorry Jack but you haven't reached 10,000 posts yet so I can't take what you say seriously.
Talking of posts, when the hell did han overtake me!? I'll be spamming all day tomorrow, just a warning..
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Mar 26 2010, 06:17 AM)
I'm sorry Jack but you haven't reached 10,000 posts yet so I can't take what you say seriously.
Talking of posts, when the hell did han overtake me!? I'll be spamming all day tomorrow, just a warning..
Talking of posts, when the hell did han overtake me!? I'll be spamming all day tomorrow, just a warning..
I will ban your posting rights
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Mar 12 2010, 11:52 AM)
4-3-3 is actually Huntelaar's formation....
I disagree. Goal poacher's mostly excel in a system where they have a support striker and preferably a trequartista. 4-3-3 operates best when there is a strong target man to lead the line (see Drogba and Chelsea in the Mourinho days). Its the reason why Borriello works well with the formation
QUOTE (LaPalma @ Mar 12 2010, 12:35 PM)
4-3-3 is actually a brilliant system to field a single striker, poacher or not. And while I understand your hopes in Hunter I can not share them. He's a good player, just like Gila was, but the chemistry between Milan and KjH doesn't seem to be good. Sometimes those things can't be overcome by any tactical suggestion I think.
Huntelaar dosent quite suit the current team or formation, and like others have said before me, i cant see personnel changing or the tactics
Roma Consider AC Milan's Klaas-Jan Huntelaar As Flamengo's Adriano Remains An Option
IMO , we should keep him and sell Borriello !
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Roma are ready to establish contact with Milan for Klaas-Jan Huntelaar as they continue to shuffle with Flamengo hitman Adriano, according to reports.
Tuttosport claims Claudio Ranieri is looking at Huntelaar as an alternative choice to Luca Toni who is expected to return to Bayern Munich.
Milan have always maintained the Dutchman was a non-departure. However, Roma are looking to insert Philippe Mexes as part of the deal - a player the Rossoneri have always liked.
Should the move for Huntelaar crash, Roma will apportion transfer funds for Flamengo ace Adriano. Globoesporte claims 'l'Imperatore' is keen to join them after telling his friends that Roma had an important deal for him lined up.
It follows Wednesday's reports which suggested agent Gilmar Rinaldi would be in Rome on Saturday to explore the possibilities of his client returning to Serie A via the Lupi.
However, the Brazilian club are keen to keep the hitman as their president Patricia Antorim has proclamied a new deal is on the horizon.
"If he wants to stay then we will find a way of accomodating him financially," Antorim said.
goal.com
Tuttosport claims Claudio Ranieri is looking at Huntelaar as an alternative choice to Luca Toni who is expected to return to Bayern Munich.
Milan have always maintained the Dutchman was a non-departure. However, Roma are looking to insert Philippe Mexes as part of the deal - a player the Rossoneri have always liked.
Should the move for Huntelaar crash, Roma will apportion transfer funds for Flamengo ace Adriano. Globoesporte claims 'l'Imperatore' is keen to join them after telling his friends that Roma had an important deal for him lined up.
It follows Wednesday's reports which suggested agent Gilmar Rinaldi would be in Rome on Saturday to explore the possibilities of his client returning to Serie A via the Lupi.
However, the Brazilian club are keen to keep the hitman as their president Patricia Antorim has proclamied a new deal is on the horizon.
"If he wants to stay then we will find a way of accomodating him financially," Antorim said.
goal.com
IMO , we should keep him and sell Borriello !
Totally disagree. Huntelaar, I'd sell in a heartbeat if a decent offer came across.
That said, let's wait and see who the coach is and see what THEY want.
That said, let's wait and see who the coach is and see what THEY want.
QUOTE (Fishdoll @ May 20 2010, 03:17 PM)
Totally disagree. Huntelaar, I'd sell in a heartbeat if a decent offer came across.
That said, let's wait and see who the coach is and see what THEY want.
That said, let's wait and see who the coach is and see what THEY want.
Man, Huntelaar has potential and still didn't give the best of him.
Borriello played the best he could and agains big teams he was so miserable.
We can sell Borriello to MANs United for 20 mil, buy Ibra or Dzeko for 35-40 mil and keep Huntelaar as backup.
Borriello > Huntelaar.
No need to sell Borriello, the guy was great this season.
No need to sell Borriello, the guy was great this season.
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 20 2010, 03:25 PM)
Borriello > Huntelaar.
No need to sell Borriello, the guy was great this season.
No need to sell Borriello, the guy was great this season.
You cant have two great players in one position. Think about Real Madrid.
Will Borriello and Dzeko or whoever comes,accpet to stay in the bench ? OF course not.
If we do that , after 1-2 seasons no one would offer more than 7-9 mil for Borriello or that other striker we are supposed to buy.
We are AC Milan. We fight for Serie A and Champions League every season. You can't expect to have Dzeko as first striker and then Inzaghi or Paloschi as second. IMO Borriello would fit perfectly as second striker.
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 20 2010, 03:34 PM)
We are AC Milan. We fight for Serie A and Champions League every season. You can't expect to have Dzeko as first striker and then Inzaghi or Paloschi as second. IMO Borriello would fit perfectly as second striker.
We would have Dzeko as first striker, Huntelaar second, Inzaghi third, Paloschi fourth (who IMO is better than Inzaghi nowdays) and Adyiah as fifth if we count him like striker and not like a winger.
I dont have problems with Borriello it's just he will never accept to be second striker and that can make our management not to transfer another striker or play a whole new formation just for him, like Ancelotti and Leonardo had to do for Ronaldinho.
Borriello is not Ibrahimovic. Until this season, he was a complete stranger to us. It's not like now he's full of himself and considers to be untouchable. If Dzeko comes and Borriello has to be second in line, he'll quietly and silently accept that.
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 20 2010, 03:41 PM)
Borriello is not Ibrahimovic. Until this season, he was a complete stranger to us. It's not like now he's full of himself and considers to be untouchable. If Dzeko comes and Borriello has to be second in line, he'll quietly and silently accept that.
Now I agree with you. But I dont think Borriello does too, knowing him.
Ag Huntelaar: Klaas wants to stay at Milan "
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Arnold Oosterveer, Huntelaar agent, interviewed by Calciomercato.it to comment on market rumors about Juventus and Roma. "Klaas has a contract with Milan and wants to play for Milan. At this moment there is no point commenting on all these items. He has a contract with the Rossoneri until 2013 and now is with the national team and is focused exclusively on the World Cup."
source: tuttomercatoweb
source: tuttomercatoweb
I want him to stay,Hopefully he will have a lot more strength next season cause that's the only thing he misses to become a good striker for us.
imo milan should see how good he does in the world cup and then decide whether to sell him or keep him...
Let's hope he does well in the World Cup so his price goes even higher.
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 20 2010, 08:11 PM)
Let's hope he does well in the World Cup so his price goes even higher.
If he does that well, our managment will keep him and will not buy an other striker or will sell Borriello.
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ May 20 2010, 10:16 PM)
If he does that well, our managment will keep him and will not buy an other striker or will sell Borriello.
If Wolfsburg knock on the door, offering Dzeko for Huntelaar + money, they'll sell him alright.
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 20 2010, 08:25 PM)
If Wolfsburg knock on the door, offering Dzeko for Huntelaar + money, they'll sell him alright.
I would sell him too
Yea if he does well in the WC, clubs will come knocking. They know his situation here....I mean look at who all he was linked with in Jan.
I'd rather let go of Borriello than Huntelaar personally.
If MU pony up 20m, me too.
Tomorrow meeting with Rui Costa for Huntelaar to Benfica
source : TMW
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Tomorrow's match between the old glories of Milan and Real Madrid will be an opportunity also to talk about the market. Manuel Rui Costa, a former Milan player and current manager of Benfica, will meet the leaders of the Serie A club to discuss the attacker Dutch Klaas Huntelaar (26). The Portuguese seem interested in me even though Milan have repeatedly stated that "the heir of Van Basten" will not leave Milan.
source : TMW
Hope huntelaar features for holland in the world cup and grabs some goals that ll do his confidence wonders
+1.
I've seen him play for Holland and he hasn't done exactly so well,he scored a goal and it was by luck,I thought he would be better.I can't see him fitting in the starting lineup.
No...Holland's game plan suits RvP more than KJH. But I'd still like him to play well and score a bit.
I said that he wouldn't fit in the starting lineup because of all the quality players in Holland,why do you care anyway,their is a big chance that we will be trading him in,even for Ramires 
QUOTE (Suhail 3 @ Jun 3 2010, 04:09 PM)
Hope huntelaar features for holland in the world cup and grabs some goals that ll do his confidence wonders
Or rather so we can sell him at a higher price.
He's not quite cut our for Serie A but if we sell him and don't replace him with a equal or better striker, i'll be pissed. Borri is good right now and he had a good season, but if dzeko comes he'll sit on the bench no matter the formation we play. Will he accept that??? Thats a good question.
Hunt on the other hand has really no future at this club if we play 4-3-3. If allegri plays 4-3-1-2; i'd prefer if hunt would stay as he and pato would fit perfectly in this system.
Its all upto allegri. Say dzeko or another striker does arrive this summer it will most likely be this scenario.
allegri plays 4-3-3= hunt will be sold and borri will stay.
4-3-1-2= hunt will stay borri will be sold.
Unless ofcourse we get a good offer for either one, then they are probably gone.
Hunt on the other hand has really no future at this club if we play 4-3-3. If allegri plays 4-3-1-2; i'd prefer if hunt would stay as he and pato would fit perfectly in this system.
Its all upto allegri. Say dzeko or another striker does arrive this summer it will most likely be this scenario.
allegri plays 4-3-3= hunt will be sold and borri will stay.
4-3-1-2= hunt will stay borri will be sold.
Unless ofcourse we get a good offer for either one, then they are probably gone.
if dzeko was to arrive we could sell either borriello or huntelaar as dzeko is like the pair of them two in one he holds the ball an scores from anywhere in anyway if dzeko arrives i wont have sleepless nights about huntelaar and certainly not bori
If any striker should arrive I want Huntelaar out of the way. Borriello is untouchable as far as I'm concerned.
Now that Robben is injured maybe their is a chance for Hunt to play in the World cup.Right?
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