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han2503
Great posts acid, especially the part where you complimented me tongue.gif biggrin.gif
acid911
Thanks Linkman and Han. smile.gif Privileged. And well, good must be acknowledged wherever and whenever possible. Be it our friendly neighborhood Malta boy that goes by the name of Han, our last coach (or two), or the club owner himself. Everyone's done some real good stuff, and some not as good. Galliani made some great moves this season, while a couple of years back he was making us the joker club of European football with stupid and irrational statements to the media. It's a package deal, I guess, but we must not be afraid to call things as they are. And this is a quality you have plenty of and I personally enjoy reading your debates with other members, including the timeless Ambrosini vs Gattuso one.

This does not in any way mean I will go easy on your English language mistakes. tongue.gif laugh.gif I still have my eyes on your posts!

han2503
QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 20 2010, 03:24 PM) *
Thanks Linkman and Han. smile.gif Privileged. And well, good must be acknowledged wherever and whenever possible. Be it our friendly neighborhood Malta boy that goes by the name of Han, our last coach (or two), or the club owner himself. Everyone's done some real good stuff, and some not as good. Galliani made some great moves this season, while a couple of years back he was making us the joker club of European football with stupid and irrational statements to the media. It's a package deal, I guess, but we must not be afraid to call things as they are. And this is a quality you have plenty of and I personally enjoy reading your debates with other members, including the timeless Ambrosini vs Gattuso one.

This does not in any way mean I will go easy on your English language mistakes. tongue.gif laugh.gif I still have my eyes on your posts!


Like we discussed before, my mistakes are grammar related, your's are worse. So I still win tongue.gif
acid911
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 20 2010, 08:13 PM) *
Like we discussed before, my mistakes are grammar related, your's are worse. So I still win

Yeah, I've been a bit sketchy with my posts, particularly this week. sleepysmiley03.gif Normally I go through them before hitting the submit button, but I still am your language teacher. You may have won this battle, but the war still rages on!
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Sep 20 2010, 01:45 AM) *
Beretta? I thought he was a target man forward.


Nope. He's a SS. He can dribble, pass, shoot. Obv not as high calibre as pato but he's got some skill forsure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_tu_ig_tPs
QUOTE (agenth @ Sep 20 2010, 02:00 AM) *
I thought we already sold Paloschi off to Parma??

Nope we renewed his co-ownership.
Jack Sparrow
He still looks more Vieri than Sheva to me. Though he's got miles to go before he becomes Vieri.
ForzaMaldini
About to sign for Inter. Such great respect and love for the man, but as soon as it's official it breakes like a cristal vase.
William405
What?

kurtsimonw
He's going to be their new coach apparently.

I won't hold it against him if he goes there, as a coach he was treated pretty poorly in Milan.
William405
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Dec 21 2010, 08:54 PM) *
He's going to be their new coach apparently.

I won't hold it against him if he goes there, as a coach he was treated pretty poorly in Milan.



Exactly,we treated him like crap.Also,I'm not really sure he'd succeed in Inter...
ForzaMaldini
You've got to be kidding if you think he did poorly with Milan. He got the absolute maximum out of our squad.
kurtsimonw
Who said he did a bad job?
William405
Maybe he misread my post.
acid911
Yup. Treated poorly ≠ Did a bad job. smile.gif I think he did okay, there was room for improvement, but he got the maximum juice he could from our squad last season. The thing with Leo is that he is a good motivator, and that is something inter desperately need right now.

But then again, no matter who inter sign up as coach, this squad of theirs is practically done. The lack the desire to win more after winning five trophies in a calender year. Leonardo, if he goes there, will just be a patch on things. What they really need now is a bunch of hungry new players, really. biggrin.gif Let go of the ones that want out, and assemble a new team. Their old team of Argentine thugs have won more than they can chew. They can't really improve much no matter who takes over the reigns.
Fillipo Simone
Naah, if he signs for Inter I'll loose all respect to him that's left. So maybe he wasn't the golden boy he used to be as a player, when Berlusconi ordered around "change the system, we're winning, but Leonardo is not playing." Maybe he was threated hard in that one year here...but turning to Inter. Now really...

I just hope he leads Inter just were he lead us, major defeat in the derby alla Tardelli and 10 points behind the 1st at season end. Oh, and yes, humiliation in CL.

Anyway, I'm not that sceptic about Inter. I wouldn't call them finished. Do they need fresh blood? Sure. But they don't have to actually make a total reconstruction. Milito and Eto'o still can produce great stuff, if Sneijder is fit, he's also great. They have a classy keeper in JC, a more then capable Muntari, plus they will cash in for Maicon, just like they did for Balotelli. And then...well, who know...I hope Moratti's son still plays games and recommends his old paps another Robbie Keane.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 22 2010, 01:16 AM) *
[...] a more then capable Muntari...

Muntari? unsure.gif What about Cambiasso, Stankovic and Thiago Motta? Muntari is mediocre compared to them.
acid911
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 22 2010, 04:16 AM) *
Naah, if he signs for Inter I'll loose all respect to him that's left.

Oh come on, inter are our rivals, not enemy! unsure.gif sad.gif If he goes there (even if as an interim coach till the end of the season), then so be it. What are we going to loose respect for Costacurta next because his son is an inter fan and has that club's poster on the wall? Or hate on Boriello because he celebrated his goal against us like crazy a few days back even though he is technically still a Milan player and we haven't gotten a penny out of Roma yet? Ibra played for them and most people hated him when he created trouble for us in the derby, and now people have him as their avatar and signature image.

If it's a job, it's a job, and well it's not like Leo's got a million offers at different clubs. wink.gif If he goes there (which I have doubts about) then so be it. We should respect his time here and wish the guy all the best. Sure not going to our rivals is preferred and a sign of respect to a club's fans, but at the end of a the day it is just a game. A professional game, but a game, nonetheless. Business. Still your choice. And I'm perfectly okay with it. Just that him wearing the blue and black won't in any way take away from his 13 years at Milan. That's his choice to make.
Bluesummers
I dont know its a tricky situation. If I was in his boots, I'd have to think long and hard about the position.

There are lots of positives and negatives on both sides.


I think it boils down to whether or not he wants to advance his career as a coach or not and if he does then Inter would be a fantastic opportunity.
acid911
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Dec 22 2010, 06:45 AM) *
I think it boils down to whether or not he wants to advance his career as a coach or not and if he does then Inter would be a fantastic opportunity.

Exactly. smile.gif He is nowhere near an established or experienced coach, one that has a boatload of options on which team to coach. And by this I do not mean top 10-20 teams, even smaller clubs would prefer to hire a wily old tactician. You are right, it pretty much comes down to this.

Frankly I don't think an opportunity like this will come around anytime soon. biggrin.gif And frankly I don't think he will take the job as quickly either. He is on inter's top list, not their only choice. Time will tell.
X-Offender
Leo should go to Inter simply as a spite to Berlusconi, because he treated him like crap. But on the other hand, more than ten years of history and friendship can't be canceled with such indifference. I'm really curious to what'll happen.
acid911
Apparently that is one of the reasons why Moratti wants to hire him. smile.gif Till the end of the season at least. Leo had his flaws (and I'll be the first one to admit it), but he was an inspiring personality, and who knows he may work out for inter. Even if he does not, inter fans think that he is worth a try for the next six months and see how it pans out.
Rossoneri7
Once Leonardo signs with la merda .. He will instantly fall into my bad book .. As Milan (including Berlusconi & Galliani) were the place that took him on and polished him to the status he has today.

We freaken brought him back from Brazil to play his final days with us ala Ibrahim Ba ... We gave him a respectable position in our club's structure. But to sign for la merda ? After all that Milan has done for him ? No, he can go and **** himself !
han2503
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Dec 22 2010, 11:36 AM) *
Once Leonardo signs with la merda .. He will instantly fall into my bad book .. As Milan (including Berlusconi & Galliani) were the place that took him on and polished him to the status he has today.

We freaken brought him back from Brazil to play his final days with us ala Ibrahim Ba ... We gave him a respectable position in our club's structure. But to sign for la merda ? After all that Milan has done for him ? No, he can go and **** himself !

Leonardo did a lot for Milan as well and Berlusconi gave him a boat load of cr@p in return wink.gif

Anyways it's a job at the end of the day, and even if Leo becomes Inter coach I still won't lose any of the respect I have for him, both as former Milan player and coach
Fillipo Simone
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Muntari? What about Cambiasso, Stankovic and Thiago Motta? Muntari is mediocre compared to them.

Cambiasso is 30, Stankovic 32. I don't think they are the ones full of motives and new will to rebuild Inter.

QUOTE
Leo should go to Inter simply as a spite to Berlusconi, because he treated him like crap.

Maybe, but then again, he had major luck with Berlusconi before. Milan had a perfect and smooth system running with Leo on the bench as a sub player, but Berlusconi ordered to put him in more, to play him and well...Leonardo got his Brazil call-up for the WC. Surprise, Surprise...

But sorry Acid, we disagree. I don't have anything to do with Borriello or Billy's son, does are not even close cases.
This is very much different. Because in the end, Moratti wants Leonardo only to bother us, and Leonardo wants Inter for the same reason. That's why both sides agree for the interim option. Because beside this, I don't see where the deal is heading? Does Inter need an interim coach? I don't think so, we saw what Zaccheroni achieved as an interim coach at Juventus. Those solutions a completely outdated.

And Leonardos career won't prosper exactly with one year under Morattis reign either. He will end up trophyless, with another failiure in 2 seasons, and he'll get the reputation of a fireman, and that of a second-rate fireman.

Of course, he could win the Scudetto and Coppa and prove me wrong,...but I don't think so.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (han2503 @ Dec 22 2010, 02:08 PM) *
Leonardo did a lot for Milan as well and Berlusconi gave him a boat load of cr@p in return wink.gif

Ah Han, it's not even close. He was Berlusconis favorite pet for years. Milan and Silvio done so much for him, you can't even mesure.
kurtsimonw
I just hate the way he was treated as coach.

Silvio bought him in because he was a rookie coach and wouldn't cost anything, then proceeded to give him absoloutely no support and bash him week in, week out.

If it was under different circumstances, I'd not be happy with this, but that isn't the case.
Zed.D
Some of the comments on this page are really hilarious... it's almost as if some are waiting for a reason to hate on Leo.

Lame.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Dec 22 2010, 04:50 PM) *
Some of the comments on this page are really hilarious... it's almost as if some are waiting for a reason to hate on Leo.

Lame.

Let's get to the point. What's so hilarious?
Who said anything about hatred?
Zed.D
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 22 2010, 06:22 PM) *
Let's get to the point. What's so hilarious?

Someone waiting for a chance to hate on Leo? huh.gif

QUOTE
Who said anything about hatred?

Don't ask me. read the posts more carefully. wink.gif
acid911
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 22 2010, 05:17 PM) *
But sorry Acid, we disagree.

Fair enough. smile.gif Different perspective, I guess. I just don't think too highly of labeling anyone traitor or calling them of disrespecting a club where they played most of their career. These are professional players and coaches, and well they have to do what is best for their family. Sure what Figo or our own Sheva did hurt fans, but I stand by their choices as professionals. They took a decision by moving to a rival club or wanted to try different leagues. In my humble opinion, it should not take even a day from the time they spent at Barcelona or Milan, respectively.

Having said that, I do completely agree with you that there is quite a bit of malice involved in the case of Leonardo, Moratti and Mr. B. And frankly the Italian media and former coaches were all praise for Leo when he stood up to Berlusconi. biggrin.gif They thought of him as a brave individual. Part of me believes that our recent signing spree this summer had got to do with Mr. B giving a middle-finger salute to Leo by singing up a ton of players (which in my opinion, we needed a few seasons back). Leonardo will just be returning the favor, which he has every right to, more so after the public name calling and humiliation by Berlusconi (towards the end of last season).

And by the way, Milan got the services of Leo, it's not like they gave him free money. rolleyes.gif Leo's best days were both in Milan and with the Brazil NT (more so with the national team, I'd say, people know him much more in the canary yellow jersey). As for his final days, he returned the money after he got injured. Galliani still recalls that classy incident. In fact, truth be told Leo did a tad bit more for Milan than what the club did for him - not just as a player, but a coach and transfer guru too. We do have to keep in mind that he is still the Golden Boy in Brazil, commands much respect, and was influential in bringing the likes of Kaka, Pato and Silva. I rate his skills as a transfer guru quite a lot more than a scout - if he set his sights on a player, he made sure he got him in the red and black.

PS. I have never been a fan of Leonardo, just respected his talent and class. king.gif But let's cut it down the middle here, shall we. None of this should have or should be happening in the first place. At least I wish it didn't. And the guy was still our transfer expert, and never be forced into taking the coaching job.
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 22 2010, 01:19 PM) *
Ah Han, it's not even close. He was Berlusconis favorite pet for years. Milan and Silvio done so much for him, you can't even mesure.

Sure as a player Silvio might have done him some favours, but he treated him like cr@p throughout his stint as coach. Leo has worked a lot for Milan behind the scenes, let's not forget that, he helped to bring in Kaka and Pato, both players who had been highly sought out by big clubs. Leo more then paid his depth for playing a couple of games thankd to Silvio.

The public abuse dished out to him last season and throughout the summer by Silvio more then erases the small favours Silvio did for him as a player.

Like I said, I would still respect Leo even if he went over to Inter, just the simple fact that he kept his mouth shut while Silvio dragged him through the mud is enough for me. At least he has class and is a professional who still has nothing but good things to say about Milan even after what has happened
acid911
QUOTE (han2503 @ Dec 22 2010, 09:04 PM) *
Like I said, I would still respect Leo even if he went over to Inter, just the simple fact that he kept his mouth shut while Silvio dragged him through the mud is enough for me. At least he has class and is a professional who still has nothing but good things to say about Milan even after what has happened

Yup, I saw him on live TV during and after Milan matches and he was wearing a red and black suit and still seemed pretty enthusiastic and passionate about the club. smile.gif Whatever grudge he has is with Mr. B and well that's okay, disagreements happen between individuals. Maybe if he could have played tag-along he would still be here. As a coach, or otherwise.

Still I respect him for keeping his mouth shut and focusing on our matches during the last month or so of our league.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (han2503 @ Dec 22 2010, 03:08 PM) *
Leonardo did a lot for Milan as well and Berlusconi gave him a boat load of cr@p in return wink.gif

Anyways it's a job at the end of the day, and even if Leo becomes Inter coach I still won't lose any of the respect I have for him, both as former Milan player and coach


Thats your respectful opinion, I have other reservations smile.gif
acid911
A nice read. smile.gif Mostly about Cassano, but I liked the Leo bit towards the end.

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Amid reports of special contract clauses on his behaviour, Milan directors note Antonio Cassano “is at a Last Chance Saloon.”

The Sampdoria player is just days away from completing his transfer to San Siro, although the legal battle with his club means he cannot play until February 1.

“I think this is a Last Chance Saloon for him and that Milan are the very best he could’ve hoped for,” director Leandro Cantamessa told Calciomercato.it.

“He was fortunate and I don’t think he wants to let this opportunity slip him by. He has talent and if he cares about himself at all, he won’t fail in this once-in-a-lifetime chance.”

There are reports that Cassano’s contract will include numerous clauses on his behaviour to safeguard the Rossoneri.

These include the option for the club to terminate his contract if he breaks the ‘code of ethics’ set out for the whole team.

Meanwhile, Cantamessa also confessed that Ronaldinho was likely to make way for Cassano.

“The players do more or less take the same role, so it could be an understandable club decision. Besides, the Coach has made it clear what he thinks.”

Ronaldinho has spent most of this season on the bench.

The Milan director also commented on reports ex-Milan legend Leonardo is ready to take over at Inter.

“I have never been anti-Inter, as they are rivals and not enemies. As for Leonardo, this is part of the profession of a Coach. There are more shocking things than this.

“I am Leonardo’s friend and spoke to him this week, purposefully avoiding any questions over his future. This too means being a friend....”
William405
Talking bout coaches,check this interview with mourinho.

http://www.football-italia.net/dec23c.html
vahid


Please tell me it is fake
Zed.D
It is fake tongue.gif
vahid
Welcome Leonardo! Inter's new coach

WHY? sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif
William405
I could care less...
nuh
Fack him
Zed.D
Look at the bright side, he can't drag Inter out of the **** they're in. are you people more interested in what a wrongly-treated ex-Milan coach does or winning the Scudetto?!
Jack Bauer
I think the fact that Leo spent so much time in Milan was a big factor for Moratti who's infantile and wants to stick it to Milan.
Even if Silvio treated him badly, joining merda is still something I wouldn't expect from someone who was a part of Milan for so many years. But feelings aside, I don't think that he's someone that can turn their season around completely at this satge. Or at least he has a lot to prove before I'd consider him someone who can.
nuh
instead of thinking of berlu he should of thought of the fans and the players and the other board members who all loved him...cuz milan are more than just berlu....i hope he gets his this year and we crush him in the derby FACK YOU LEO...he is officially the new inter coach and i am officially anti leo
ForzaMaldini
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Dec 24 2010, 08:55 PM) *
Look at the bright side, he can't drag Inter out of the **** they're in. are you people more interested in what a wrongly-treated ex-Milan coach does or winning the Scudetto?!

He's more than just an ex-milan coach.

At least... he was. Now he's just an asswhipe smile.gif
X-Offender
I think he's got what's necessary to get Inter back on track: motivation! If there's one thing the guy is capable of, that's motivating his players to overachieve. His tactics, on the other hand, are close to amateurish.
Jack Bauer
Two month ago when Leo was linked to Roma he said the following: "Right now it would betray my history, my past in red and black," said the former Milan player and coach.

"Little time has passed. I am still too tied to Milan. Now I would find it too much effort to work in Italy - maybe in the future, but not now."

http://www.footballitaliano.co.uk/p6_65_44...peculation.html

And that was about Roma (Not Inter, which would be much worse) just recently. Hypocrisy.
I_Rossoneri
Good luck to him as far as I'm concerned. And if they sign Ricky good luck to him as well. I only worry about Milan and am above immature and childish actions like this smile.gif
mishie
Shocked and maybe a little disappointed in the decision. but Leo is and always will be his own man and as much as i hope he does well i just hope not to well wink.gif
http://www.football-italia.net/blogs/jh129.html
thats worth a read to perhaps a little more insight to Leo's decision
X-Offender
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Dec 25 2010, 12:20 AM) *
Two month ago when Leo was linked to Roma he said the following: "Right now it would betray my history, my past in red and black," said the former Milan player and coach.

"Little time has passed. I am still too tied to Milan. Now I would find it too much effort to work in Italy - maybe in the future, but not now."

http://www.footballitaliano.co.uk/p6_65_44...peculation.html

And that was about Roma (Not Inter, which would be much worse) just recently. Hypocrisy.


People are fickle, they change their minds more often than their underwear. Leo made his decision. A rather unpleasant decision from a milanista point of view, but it doesn't change the fact that he's a great man. At least, that's what I think.
Bluesummers
Its a job people. Inter are different than roma. The salaries don't compare and the ambitions don't compare either.

I would personally do the same as him If I'd want to pursure my mgmt career further. I love how people here just say that leo is who he is today because of berlu. Thats a joke.


He is who he is because he of himself and not milan or anyone else.


and all I gotta say is talking from a coaching perspective; he should refuse the inter job out of respect to the milan fans? yeah because we sure did a lot for him when he was getting railed by big papa every month and he took this job originally because galliani begged him to; he never wanted to be a coach. And then what do we do? We throw him out! laugh.gif

Milan, we are a family <3 laugh.gif What a joke.


So f@ck berlusconi; he is not the person who runs this club, Galliani is. The old Son of a B**** just signs checks and shows up for pictures.
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