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Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Tennie @ Feb 13 2007, 02:22 AM)
This probably is just a matter of coincidence and may not mean much of anything, but did anyone else notice Arrigo Sacchi in the stands with Berlusconi and Galliani?
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Ohhh no !! If he comes back .. Ohhh **** ... wub.gif wub.gif
dst
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Feb 13 2007, 01:29 AM)
Ohhh no !! If he comes back .. Ohhh **** ...  wub.gif  wub.gif
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No thanks...

He should be over with Milan (as a coach at least)!

And IMO, THAT Milan team made him what he is... MVB, Gullit AND Rijkard!?? Probably the most complete players (MVB and Rijkaard for sure) in their positions ever to step on the field!! MVB is the best forward of all times... that would be enough but if anyone needs more then we should start with Baresi and then.............................. rolleyes.gif

Ahh.... wub.gif sleepysmiley03.gif wub.gif
milanista1899
QUOTE (dst @ Feb 11 2007, 06:29 PM)
It's cause we can't defend as a whole... nothing to do with fullbacks! Defending as a unit is more important than individual defence...

I highlighted the main problems in defense & midfield, which I think coincide with the reason we can't defend as a unit.

I think it does have to do with that partly (or even as I said, that we don't play 3 in defense) because if you have 2 wing-backs up the wrong end of the field, how can you expect 2 central defenders to cope with an opponents entire attack? Especially when we don't close down in midfield (where there are 3 in the centre but no-one out wide) and yes Oddo & Janku should be there but they don't seem to be. I think they would do better as part of 4 in midfield.
dst
QUOTE (milanista1899 @ Feb 13 2007, 04:17 AM)
I think it does have to do with that partly (or even as I said, that we don't play 3 in defense) because if you have 2 wing-backs up the wrong end of the field, how can you expect 2 central defenders to cope with an opponents entire attack? Especially when we don't close down in midfield (where there are 3 in the centre but no-one out wide) and yes Oddo & Janku should be there but they don't seem to be. I think they would do better as part of 4 in midfield.
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That's a case in Milan yes but I thought we were talking defence in general where playing with full-backs does not mean the goal is vulnerable if the team has worked on wrapping in...

My mistake.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (dst @ Feb 13 2007, 03:10 AM)
No thanks...

He should be over with Milan (as a coach at least)!

And IMO, THAT Milan team made him what he is... MVB, Gullit AND Rijkard!?? Probably the most complete players (MVB and Rijkaard for sure) in their positions ever to step on the field!! MVB is the best forward of all times... that would be enough but if anyone needs more then we should start with Baresi and then..............................  rolleyes.gif

Ahh....  wub.gif  sleepysmiley03.gif  wub.gif
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Come on dst .. Arrigo Sacchi .. There has got to be room for him in ur heart biggrin.gif

After all, it's Arrigo Sacchi the man himself king.gif

He had the best team in the world at his disposal, but still he is a great king.gif

I would welcome him as the perfect succesor smile.gif
dst
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Feb 13 2007, 02:43 PM)
I would welcome him as the perfect succesor  smile.gif
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not as a coach.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (dst @ Feb 13 2007, 04:05 PM)
not as a coach.
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A GK unsure.gif
dst
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Feb 13 2007, 03:11 PM)
A GK  unsure.gif
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a VIP... or a Costacurta companion...
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (dst @ Feb 13 2007, 04:38 PM)
a VIP... or a Costacurta companion...
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Ohh no .. It's one thing having a 41 r old play for us .. It's another having a 60 yr old ... biggrin.gif tongue.gif

Nahh .. I'd rather have him as a coach .. Why do u think otherwise ?! I mean after all, he's one of the most notable coachs that have coached Milan king.gif
dst
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Feb 13 2007, 03:45 PM)
Nahh .. I'd rather have him as a coach .. Why do u think otherwise ?! I mean after all, he's one of the most notable coachs that have coached Milan king.gif
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He was Milan's coach... and I'd call him a successful one... tongue.gif

But IMO he's part of Milan's history not future.
milanistar
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Feb 13 2007, 12:43 PM)
I would welcome him as the perfect succesor  smile.gif
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Are you kidding huh.gif do you want us to be like "truffantus" or what, I'm mean isn't this guy a catenaccio adept?

I really dont want us to play a defensive football, that's why I dont want guys like Lippi in Milan even if this will probably allow us to win more trophies!
dst
Lippi is cr@p...

Sacchi is no "catenaccio adept"... Not if he wanted he couldn't be with such players as the Dutch trio...

By the way, Catenaccio is a whole philosophy not just a system and I don't find it ugly myself... I've seen better football played by some so-called defensive teams than by "sexy ones" or anything else. Football is football, not goals!

I'm not canine... I enjoy watching beautiful football. But beauty is a pectoral quality, isn't it?? Some people think playing with 10 attackers is wonderful... I think it's stupid. Some people think that throwing an attacker into the game when your team is losing is "obvious", I say they're obviously untutored... Football is smart, that's how it wants to be treated...
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (milanistar @ Feb 13 2007, 06:35 PM)
Are you kidding huh.gif do you want us to be like "truffantus" or what, I'm mean isn't this guy a catenaccio adept?

I really dont want us to play a defensive football, that's why I dont want guys like Lippi in Milan even if this will probably allow us to win more trophies!
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The time of Sacchi Milan played splendid football .. IMO, itwas the best ears for this club, but that is just me.

catenaccio - Well ask Capello about that, cuz he was the master that implimented it in many of his coaching careers and it is no wonder that he has built a name for himself by perfecting this 'catenaccio' game play.

Sacchi is a great. I cant keep repeating this, if I was to choose between him and Carlo, I would take Sacchi back in a heart beat .. But that is just me
milanistar
QUOTE (dst @ Feb 13 2007, 04:01 PM)
Lippi is cr@p...

Sacchi is no "catenaccio adept"... Not if he wanted he couldn't be with such players as the Dutch trio...

By the way, Catenaccio is a whole philosophy not just a system and I don't find it ugly myself... I've seen better football played by some so-called defensive teams than by "sexy ones" or anything else. Football is football, not goals!

I'm not canine... I enjoy watching beautiful football. But beauty is a pectoral quality, isn't it?? Some people think playing with 10 attackers is wonderful... I think it's stupid. Some people think that throwing an attacker into the game when your team is losing is "obvious", I say they're obviously untutored... Football is smart, that's how it wants to be treated...
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Dont get me wrong, I never tlked about playing with 10 attakers!

Football is not "only" goals, but football is made of goals wink.gif

Sacchi always played with a defensive mind (even if I didn't watch a lot of his games, I take the WC 94 in a count) even with the magic trio.

We're not talking about tactics here, do we? Otherwise we could just play FM online and I'll take Milan tongue.gif
X-Offender
Sacchi has heart problems and he can't handle the coach position. And I also agree with dst that's he's part of Milan's history not future.
Jack Sparrow
R7 is one of those old-schoolers. It's not always a bad thing.

Right now I want to see MVB. Coz he's doing exactly what I want to see happen in Milan. Reforming a team, building it from scratch.

I mean after a few hiccups, they do look like they got their act together, the Dutch NT.

Porty says he could be tactically *****, I think he's played long enough in Italy to know a thing or two about tactics. Does anyone know anything about how good a coach Baresi is?
dst
QUOTE (milanistar @ Feb 13 2007, 06:20 PM)
Dont get me wrong, I never tlked about playing with 10 attakers!

Football is not "only" goals, but football is made of goals wink.gif

Sacchi always played with a defensive mind (even if I didn't watch a lot of his games, I take the WC 94 in a count) even with the magic trio.
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I made a general allusion, not at you.

Actually football is made of leather and plastic... biggrin.gif

Do never take a WC into account... this is the mother of defending competitions!! (The reason is simple; it's what every footballer would kill his own mother for - apart from the Italians - and it's only played once in 4 years... The way to get it does not matter AT F@CKING ALL)

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 13 2007, 08:38 PM)
Does anyone know anything about how good a coach Baresi is?
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Does Baresi know!? rolleyes.gif
misha
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 13 2007, 08:38 PM)
Does anyone know anything about how good a coach Baresi is?
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Until now he only worked with under-20 and under-19 squads
agenth
Lippi crap? Please define this more.
dst
QUOTE (mchanna @ Feb 14 2007, 02:12 AM)
Lippi crap? Please define this more.
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the crap!? biggrin.gif

He is nothing. He is weak, at Giuve he was just Moggi's puppet... he is extremely lucky but he's a mediocre coach. As for the World Cup he's as much responsible for it as I am!
agenth
QUOTE (dst @ Feb 14 2007, 01:32 AM)
the crap!? biggrin.gif

He is nothing. He is weak, at Giuve he was just Moggi's puppet... he is extremely lucky but he's a mediocre coach. As for the World Cup he's as much responsible for it as I am!
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true.. but he must have done SOMETHING right to get the wc rolleyes.gif

people these days think lippi is the best right now, because he won the wc...
to tell the truth I think people give him too much credit for the wc...
I mean what did he do for Juve? Still...
dst
QUOTE (mchanna @ Feb 14 2007, 02:48 AM)
true.. but he must have done SOMETHING right to get the wc  rolleyes.gif
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Simply put, Lippi is the only person in the world that beats Pippo in being "in the right place at the right time"...

By the way he did a f@cking lot (the f@cking lot that he was told to do actually) for Giuve...
agenth
QUOTE (dst @ Feb 14 2007, 01:54 AM)
Simply put, Lippi is the only person in the world that beats Pippo in being "in the right place at the right time"...

By the way he did a f@cking lot (the f@cking lot that he was told to do actually) for Giuve...
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I didn't see the start of Lippi @ juve so can'T say about that much...

I don't think it was pure luck on being in the right place at the right time... we are talking about the WC....
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (mchanna @ Feb 14 2007, 04:00 AM)
I didn't see the start of Lippi @ juve so can'T say about that much...

I don't think it was pure luck on being in the right place at the right time... we are talking about the WC....
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I think the majority in here think Lippi is a lucky coach .. But, IMO, he is an all time great .. Lippi, Trappatoni (spell), Capello, and Sacchi are one a level of their own. Just take a look at their respective CV's .. They are the best coachs that Italy has to offer king.gif
han2503
QUOTE (dst @ Feb 14 2007, 12:32 AM)
the crap!? biggrin.gif

He is nothing. He is weak, at Giuve he was just Moggi's puppet... he is extremely lucky but he's a mediocre coach. As for the World Cup he's as much responsible for it as I am!
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Crap is a slang word meaning either 'of low quality', or 'feces'. The former meaning is sometimes considered mildly vulgar and the latter meaning is often considered mildly or moderately vulgar, but could be, on occasion, viewed as strongly vulgar by means of scatological and sensory-provoking use of the word.

In its former meaning it also connotes inaccurate, of little factual substance, lies, hype, or quackery.

The word is used nearly interchangeably with "sh!t" and considered by many people to be less offensive. Still, some people find the word crap offensive, even if not intended to mean feces, and will use the minced oath "crud" instead.

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As for the Lippi part, You are very right dst
milanistar
QUOTE (dst @ Feb 14 2007, 12:04 AM)
I made a general allusion, not at you.

Actually football is made of leather and plastic...  biggrin.gif

Do never take a WC into account... this is the mother of defending competitions!! (The reason is simple; it's what every footballer would kill his own mother for - apart from the Italians - and it's only played once in 4 years... The way to get it does not matter AT F@CKING ALL)

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laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif what about the feet? unsure.gif tongue.gif

Sure the WC performences (of the players) don't count that much!

Anyway, I think it's because of Lippi that Italy won the WC tongue.gif
bigmacmtl
QUOTE (milanistar @ Feb 14 2007, 04:16 PM)
laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif what about the feet? unsure.gif  tongue.gif

Sure the WC performences (of the players) don't count that much!

Anyway, I think it's because of Lippi that Italy won the WC tongue.gif
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lets put it this way, italy would not have won the world cup if lippi wasnt coach. but it's not just because of lippi, the squad was of very high quality and i had no doubt they would make their mark this year (i knew they had it in them to make semis, but i couldnt belive they made it all the way). look at italy on an indivicual basis: best GK in the world, even tho the defence was having troubles for 2 years leading up tot he world cup it proovee once again no one defends as well as italy, midfield has one of the best playmaking forwards in totti, and we had toni (the most in form striker in the world with 31 goals). we italy had this year which it dint have in previous years was that extra creativity with pirlo.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (bigmacmtl @ Feb 15 2007, 02:18 AM)
lets put it this way, italy would not have won the world cup if lippi wasnt coach. but it's not just because of lippi, the squad was of very high quality and i had no doubt they would make their mark this year (i knew they had it in them to make semis, but i couldnt belive they made it all the way). look at italy on an indivicual basis: best GK in the world, even tho the defence was having troubles for 2 years leading up tot he world cup it proovee once again no one defends as well as italy, midfield has one of the best playmaking forwards in totti, and we had toni (the most in form striker in the world with 31 goals). we italy had this year which it dint have in previous years was that extra creativity with pirlo.
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Pirlo - Perrotta - Totti .. was a high reving engine at the WC king.gif
milanistar
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Feb 14 2007, 11:35 PM)
Pirlo - Perrotta - Totti .. was a high reving engine at the WC  king.gif
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Totti huh.gif He did nothing I'd say Pirlo-Rino were the most influential in the midfield!
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (milanistar @ Feb 15 2007, 03:27 AM)
Totti huh.gif He did nothing I'd say Pirlo-Rino were the most influential in the midfield!
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Totti didnt have the best of performances, but he was very influencial, even with the dip in form
KillerMax
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Feb 14 2007, 06:54 PM)
Totti didnt have the best of performances, but he was very influencial, even with the dip in form
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100% agree.
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