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han2503
All CL talk for the new season here
X-Offender
Pretty inexcusable from Roma, especially someone as experienced as De Rossi who practically condemned his team with such an idiotic foul.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 23 2016, 11:34 PM) *
Pretty inexcusable from Roma, especially someone as experienced as De Rossi who practically condemned his team with such an idiotic foul.

But very typical for them, so it's no surprise. I only saw the first half but red card or not, they were already doing their utter best to ruin their chances.

That being said, it's good they're in the EL, they'll rack up some decent co-efficient points for the league instead of getting through to the CL, being unseeded and getting KO'd in an impossible group.

However, with all that said, this:

QUOTE
New @ChampionsLeague format starting in 2018/2019. 4 clubs from Spain, England, Germany and Italy will go directly into the group stage. The 4th team on historical merit.


will be coming into play in a few years so it won't really matter
Fillipo Simone
Is that confirmed? Sounds very strange? What does historical merit exactly mean?

Anyway, stupid by De Rossi, but like han said, by no way unexpected. Especially De Rossi who's stopped being a regularly good player long time ago and is now always up to such shenanigans.
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 24 2016, 01:18 PM) *
Is that confirmed? Sounds very strange? What does historical merit exactly mean?

Anyway, stupid by De Rossi, but like han said, by no way unexpected. Especially De Rossi who's stopped being a regularly good player long time ago and is now always up to such shenanigans.

http://www.espnfc.co.uk/blog/marcotti-musi...by-gab-marcotti

From what I can understand it's pending final approval and they agreed to this because the big clubs were threatening a break-away league

From what I can understand it will be the 4 biggest leagues (historically) getting 4 automatic spots without any qualifying rounds
Fillipo Simone
Good for us.
Jack Sparrow
Maybe. But we don't deserve to be. The top 5 of England and Spain are better than the top 3 of the other leagues if taken cumulatively. FFS, Roma can't even get past Porto.
Fillipo Simone
It's hard to say who deserves to pass and who doesn't. That kind of criteria won't bring us anywhere, because by today's standards the EPL is almost stronger then the CL. Also, yesterday I watched Dinamo Zagreb and Red Bull Salzburg: do these two teams deserve to be in the CL? Compared to both Porto and Roma they are miles away. So, the system with weaker opponents fighting each others while Italian, French, Spanish and Portugese clubs are bound to face each other is also unfair.

From what I can think, this change of rules will give clubs like Roma, Napoli, etc more breathing space, a more secure environment that will ultimately make them stronger and more adapted to CL football.
X-Offender
It's kinda sad though that what will eventually bring us back to the CL are new rules rather than our own strengths, unless by some miracle we finish 3rd this season.
han2503
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 25 2016, 10:29 AM) *
Maybe. But we don't deserve to be. The top 5 of England and Spain are better than the top 3 of the other leagues if taken cumulatively. FFS, Roma can't even get past Porto.

Nah, England is basically just steam rolling everyone because of all the money in the league. When you have relegation contenders battling it out for the best players simply because they can and are financially stronger than clubs in Italy/Germany/Spain (outside of Real and Barca), then you know you have a problem. The EPL has skewed things so widely that it's going to become a one horse race if things in the other leagues do not improve.

This is fair. Italy has historically been stronger in Europe than England and despite all of it's financial/structural short-comings is still putting teams in the competition that are doing better than their English counter-parts and aren't so far off from England in the co-efficients.

What this does though is continue to beat down the smaller clubs and clubs from France and Portugal

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 25 2016, 12:29 PM) *
It's hard to say who deserves to pass and who doesn't. That kind of criteria won't bring us anywhere, because by today's standards the EPL is almost stronger then the CL. Also, yesterday I watched Dinamo Zagreb and Red Bull Salzburg: do these two teams deserve to be in the CL? Compared to both Porto and Roma they are miles away. So, the system with weaker opponents fighting each others while Italian, French, Spanish and Portugese clubs are bound to face each other is also unfair.

From what I can think, this change of rules will give clubs like Roma, Napoli, etc more breathing space, a more secure environment that will ultimately make them stronger and more adapted to CL football.

Agreed. Plus I think the entire co-efficient system is BS. The fact that Germany took Italy's spot because their teams were doing well in the EL league while Italian teams were winning the CL but were shitty in the EL says it all

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 25 2016, 03:42 PM) *
It's kinda sad though that what will eventually bring us back to the CL are new rules rather than our own strengths, unless by some miracle we finish 3rd this season.

First we have to make it to 4th. We're not even capable of getting into the EL atm, so we'll see if this will even effect us
d'Arc.LP
Official: The top four clubs from the four top-ranked leagues will qualify automatically for the group stage of the UEFA Champions League from 2018. Historical success in the competition will also be acknowledged in coefficient calculation (points for previous European titles).

Fillipo Simone
Meaning what exactly? I'm still not clear on that historical success thing.
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 26 2016, 01:12 PM) *
Meaning what exactly? I'm still not clear on that historical success thing.

I think that in a very veiled way they're saying that England, Italy, Spain and Germany won't have an automatic qualification, technically. But with historical success coming into play when co-efficients are calculated. it's basically a default result of those 4 leagues being the top 4, with neither France, nor Portugal being able to break through.
Fillipo Simone
Hmh. Now I get it. So it's the historical success of a country overall that will count, not the individual clubs? Okay, makes sense. What do you guys think of the changes anyway, other then that it's good for Italian football?
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 27 2016, 06:05 PM) *
Hmh. Now I get it. So it's the historical success of a country overall that will count, not the individual clubs? Okay, makes sense. What do you guys think of the changes anyway, other then that it's good for Italian football?

Well obviously I'm happy about this in terms of being a fan of Serie A and a team within it. But I have to say that I'd be p!ssed if I followed the French or Portuguese league. This has basically taken away any chance of them being able to advance their league and getting more teams into the CL.

It's obviously unfair for the smaller leagues, but I think it also is sort of a retribution because the current way that co-efficients are calculated is also ridiculous. Plus it will most likely make the competition more interesting in terms of pure entertainment factor.
Fillipo Simone
Surely. Maybe it can be less of a three-club show.
X-Offender
So, it's official. The first four teams in the Serie A will go directly to the group stages of the 2018/19 CL.

Link

We really need to step up our game so we can use such a golden opportunity. Hopefully the closing happens and the Chinese splash some money in the summer. I really miss us in the CL. sad.gif
Danny
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 22 2017, 10:28 PM) *
So, it's official. The first four teams in the Serie A will go directly to the group stages of the 2018/19 CL.

Link

We really need to step up our game so we can use such a golden opportunity. Hopefully the closing happens and the Chinese splash some money in the summer. I really miss us in the CL. sad.gif


That's random?! No league on earth gets its first four sides directly into the group stage! Why would a spluttering Serie A suddenly be granted it!
X-Offender
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Aug 26 2016, 10:55 AM) *
Official: The top four clubs from the four top-ranked leagues will qualify automatically for the group stage of the UEFA Champions League from 2018. Historical success in the competition will also be acknowledged in coefficient calculation (points for previous European titles).


fyi
Danny
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 22 2017, 11:04 PM) *
fyi


Ah. Thought it was Serie A only haha!

No chance we'll get fourth. None at all.
Fillipo Simone
In two years? Why?
han2503
QUOTE (Danny @ Mar 22 2017, 11:38 PM) *
Ah. Thought it was Serie A only haha!

No chance we'll get fourth. None at all.

We'll see what happens this summer, but top 4 is do-able if we make a couple of decent signings and hold on to our important players + Montella
Danny
QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 24 2017, 05:24 PM) *
We'll see what happens this summer, but top 4 is do-able if we make a couple of decent signings and hold on to our important players + Montella


I misread. I thought the thing started next season - 2017/2018.
han2503
QUOTE (Danny @ Mar 25 2017, 10:33 PM) *
I misread. I thought the thing started next season - 2017/2018.

Well the top 4 in 17/18 will go directly into the CL for the 18/19 season
Danny
QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 26 2017, 06:56 AM) *
Well the top 4 in 17/18 will go directly into the CL for the 18/19 season


Yeah as in I thought the 4th place finish was required this season, not next.
han2503
QUOTE (Danny @ Mar 26 2017, 01:10 PM) *
Yeah as in I thought the 4th place finish was required this season, not next.

Ah, gotcha.

A decent mercato next summer (meaning no more Galliani favours and flops) and we'll get 4th under Montella, I'm pretty confident in that considering what we've seen of him this season with the limited resources he has been afforded
X-Offender
You never know. Roma, Napoli and Inter constitute a serious threat for the 2-4 positions. We'll have to do our maximum and more if we want to attain CL football after two years.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 26 2017, 09:51 PM) *
You never know. Roma, Napoli and Inter constitute a serious threat for the 2-4 positions. We'll have to do our maximum and more if we want to attain CL football after two years.

Roma and Napoli always end up selling (Roma especially). If we can make 3 or 4 important signings I think we'll definitely be in the mix

Inter imo are looking to be the real deal
Jack Sparrow
QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 27 2017, 04:51 PM) *
Roma and Napoli always end up selling (Roma especially). If we can make 3 or 4 important signings I think we'll definitely be in the mix

Inter imo are looking to be the real deal


That club is a mad house. They have the new manager honeymoon period going on. I'm fairly sure they'll screw up next season.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Mar 31 2017, 07:02 AM) *
That club is a mad house. They have the new manager honeymoon period going on. I'm fairly sure they'll screw up next season.


Point is, player-wise they have a darn good team. They only lacked a true organizing hand. Mancini is terrible, and De Boer was simply a bad choice. But now with Pioli they seem have found their footing, and they can only keep getting better IMO.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 1 2017, 01:23 PM) *
Point is, player-wise they have a darn good team. They only lacked a true organizing hand. Mancini is terrible, and De Boer was simply a bad choice. But now with Pioli they seem have found their footing, and they can only keep getting better IMO.

Agreed, I think they'll make a big splash this summer and will be a strong force next season
Danny
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 1 2017, 01:23 PM) *
Point is, player-wise they have a darn good team. They only lacked a true organizing hand. Mancini is terrible, and De Boer was simply a bad choice. But now with Pioli they seem have found their footing, and they can only keep getting better IMO.


We thought the same about ourselves only 6 months ago. It can change, quickly.
han2503
I know this thread is dead, but I just have to say

Bayern have been screwed trice over in this tie!

X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 18 2017, 09:57 PM) *
I know this thread is dead, but I just have to say

Bayern have been screwed trice over in this tie!


I was just about to post. Most offside goal in CL history? laugh.gif
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 18 2017, 09:58 PM) *
I was just about to post. Most offside goal in CL history? laugh.gif

That, the bad sending offs in both games, Lewandowski judged off side in the first half when he was clean through while he was onside and Casemiro still being on the pitch after the fouling and diving. Honestly, I'm just disgusted with some of the officiating I've seen throughout these knock-out games

Personally I'm all for Barca going through tomorrow, but I'm sort of anticipating some sort of terrible call that will also screw Juve out of this
han2503
I feel very sorry for Bayern and Carlo having just watched this. It generally leaves a bitter taste in the mouth for the neutral watcher.
Fillipo Simone
Very bitter. Very. Makes me wanna turn off the TV and say goodbye to CL this year.
Danny
QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 18 2017, 10:03 PM) *
I feel very sorry for Bayern and Carlo having just watched this. It generally leaves a bitter taste in the mouth for the neutral watcher.


In the first leg fair enough, Real were the better team. Not by a lot, but they were.

But tonight was borderline dishonesty - the red card that wasn't and the offside goal. I had Bayern pegged as winning this thing, and they probably would have had Uefa favoured them.
Fillipo Simone
Yep, it's a disgrace. Can't remember the last time a team went through such a treatment in the late phases of the CL. Probably the Chelsea-Barcelona thing.
CrazyMilanFan
There is clearly something wrong in UEFA. As 3-4 key decision going in favor of one makes no sense at all.
X-Offender
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Apr 19 2017, 06:25 AM) *
There is clearly something wrong in UEFA. As 3-4 key decision going in favor of one makes no sense at all.


I think the refereeing was just crap. Bayern's second goal was also offside, I read.

But still, Ronaldo's first offside goal. How the hell can you miss that? That linesman should never officiate again.
Fillipo Simone
Second goal? How can an owngoal be offside?
Rossoneri7
Carlo has nothing to prove, Bayern were tactically on point and if not for the wrongly given second yellow to Vidal, where he was sent off for getting to the ball first!

Then obviously what was highlighted above as referee short comings.

I think it is fair to say Madrid had influence over the fixture.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 19 2017, 12:22 PM) *
Second goal? How can an owngoal be offside?


Apparently Muller was offside in the beginning.
Danny
As a football fan, part of me thinks Juve, or specifically Buffon deserves to win this thing. I hate them but you have to admire what they've achieved under Allegri - he's proved everyone (apart from me and Kurt) utterly wrong about him and he's taken Juve beyond Conte.

Four teams left and it's anyone's at this point.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 19 2017, 10:41 PM) *
As a football fan, part of me thinks Juve, or specifically Buffon deserves to win this thing. I hate them but you have to admire what they've achieved under Allegri - he's proved everyone (apart from me and Kurt) utterly wrong about him and he's taken Juve beyond Conte.

Four teams left and it's anyone's at this point.


+1

Aside from the Allegri bit. What exactly has he proven? That you can win with a top squad?
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 20 2017, 01:41 AM) *
As a football fan, part of me thinks Juve, or specifically Buffon deserves to win this thing. I hate them but you have to admire what they've achieved under Allegri - he's proved everyone (apart from me and Kurt) utterly wrong about him and he's taken Juve beyond Conte.

Four teams left and it's anyone's at this point.


Allegri benefited from his time at Milan, he did well given the resources available at Milan. And this applies to Carlo too.

What Juve is doing is something to be proud of, being the only Italian flag bearer in Europe and humbling Barca like that.

Four teams left in it alright but only one has the ref on their side.
amancik
Agreed. Juve deserve to win the Champions League this year. Solid at the back, effective up front; probably one of the strongest balanced sides in Europe.
Jack Sparrow
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 21 2017, 02:46 PM) *
Allegri benefited from his time at Milan, he did well given the resources available at Milan. And this applies to Carlo too.

What Juve is doing is something to be proud of, being the only Italian flag bearer in Europe and humbling Barca like that.

Four teams left in it alright but only one has the ref on their side.



QUOTE (amancik @ Apr 21 2017, 07:58 PM) *
Agreed. Juve deserve to win the Champions League this year. Solid at the back, effective up front; probably one of the strongest balanced sides in Europe.


I don't give a sh!t about what they deserve. This is Juve. Have they always been winning only when they deserve. F@ck em! tongue.gif I won't be mad if they win, but I'm not shedding tears either.
X-Offender
Frankly speaking, I don't hate Juve. Sure, they're our rivals and all, but Inter ate the ones I truly detest and always want to see fail.

For Italian's football sake, as a fan, I'd like them to win. Also because I hate Madrid, too.
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