TriniKing_CE
Jul 20 2014, 07:16 PM
QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 20 2014, 03:09 PM)

Great pics Trini.
No problem
TriniKing_CE
Jul 20 2014, 07:24 PM
Saw on Twitter that the Curva Sud was chanting against Robinho - Telling him to take off the Captain's armband & asking him if he's leaving or not.
Fillipo Simone
Jul 20 2014, 07:47 PM
Robinho had the armband?
TriniKing_CE
Jul 20 2014, 07:47 PM
Just a few more highlights from Mastour today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDHDfJUoSsk
TriniKing_CE
Jul 20 2014, 07:54 PM
Okay.... last one
Much better quality - Both goals from today:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCEP0a6ZE0Q
TriniKing_CE
Jul 20 2014, 08:14 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 20 2014, 03:47 PM)

Robinho had the armband?
At one point yes...

Fillipo Simone
Jul 20 2014, 08:55 PM
Good God.
TriniKing_CE
Jul 20 2014, 09:02 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 20 2014, 04:55 PM)

Good God.
Hopefully it was a send off of some sorts for him.
Danny
Jul 20 2014, 09:05 PM
QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Jul 20 2014, 06:03 PM)

Good stuff Danny thanks for the post!
I have to say the shirt is also beginning to grow on me a bit as well (certainly don't 'like' it still, but its not horrible)
The England like crest though I don't care for it, I also prefer our usual emblem.
It's actually the cross of St Ambrose, the patron saint of Milan. But like you I don't like it.
X-Offender
Jul 20 2014, 09:49 PM
Galliani: "We're not going to sign a winger cos we have Mastour"
...
He didn't really say it, but if he does I wouldn't be too surprised.
Rossoneri7
Jul 21 2014, 12:31 AM
QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 20 2014, 09:59 PM)

People seem to have had problems watching this...
Points to note:
1: Mastour. Wow. 16 years of age and he looks like he's been doing it for years. We could have a total gem on our hands here. His setup play for Mestalli was absolutely excellent. And don't say 'it's only Monza'. Because Mastour is 'only' a kid.
2: Pippo. His passion on the sideline is very Conte-esque. He wants his players to work, and tbh, they did. Thery respond to him, they respect him, because they know he respects them.
3: Shirts are growing on me. Don't like the crest much but the design is starting to seep into my consciousness.
4: A real positive of Pippo is he is more than happy to give youth a chance. These are kids he reared in Primavera, and they trust him. And now here he is, giving them the same chance in the first team.
While it's incredibly early days, and Monza are not Real Madrid I saw more passion out there from the manager and players than I can remember pretty much the whole of last season.
Danny boy (
in bold) You pedophile you
But yeah I do agree Pippo is the right person to integrate the youth into the first team. That is where our coaches (potential future coaches) should be coming from. Looks great on a marketing front, but will it all work when the season begins?
Mastour's movements were always an eye catcher, since he was 13/14. But also that we wont know till the season begins how effective Mastour is against Serie A's meanest tacklers. I wish the kid well and hope we end up with a gem of a player (.. so we can later sell for $$$)
han2503
Jul 21 2014, 09:23 AM
Danny
Jul 24 2014, 02:34 PM
Quick reminder we've Olympiakos tonight 01:00 UK BST.
Fillipo Simone
Jul 24 2014, 02:45 PM
Maybe we can convince them to take Essien.
han2503
Jul 24 2014, 03:15 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 24 2014, 02:45 PM)

Maybe we can convince them to take Essien.
Hmm, so does that mean that Pippo should keep him off the field so he doesn't discourage them or that he should play him so that they can be impressed?

I'll watch it tomorrow on Milan Channel, no way will I stay up until 2 in the morning to see us half assing it in some friendly
Danny
Jul 24 2014, 03:29 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 24 2014, 02:15 PM)

Hmm, so does that mean that Pippo should keep him off the field so he doesn't discourage them or that he should play him so that they can be impressed?

I'll watch it tomorrow on Milan Channel, no way will I stay up until 2 in the morning to see us half assing it in some friendly
PFFFFFFFFFFT!!!! I've stayed up till 6AM to watch Rangers lose to US college amateurs 3-1 in a meaningless friendly on an American Football Grid Iron pitch.
As for Essien, he has shown MOMENTS of half-decentry (new word, I like it) so if he could do that for an hour if he played we could offload the utter loser for some decent cash.
Danny
Jul 24 2014, 03:30 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 24 2014, 01:45 PM)

Maybe we can convince them to take Essien.
It may require Derren Brown.
han2503
Jul 24 2014, 03:35 PM
QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 24 2014, 03:29 PM)

PFFFFFFFFFFT!!!! I've stayed up till 6AM to watch Rangers lose to US college amateurs 3-1 in a meaningless friendly on an American Football Grid Iron pitch.
As for Essien, he has shown MOMENTS of half-decentry (new word, I like it) so if he could do that for an hour if he played we could offload the utter loser for some decent cash.
I like the devotion, but atm, considering my passion for this club is probably at an all time low and it is just a friendly, I'm not going to make myself suffer through it, especially when we all know it will most likely be a terrible game and I can watch the re-run tomorrow at a decent time
decentry... I'll try to fit that into a sentence when the opportunity strikes
kurtsimonw
Jul 24 2014, 04:05 PM
I have to force myself to watch Milan when they're live on tv at a decent time on my day off nowadays, if I'm honest.
Fillipo Simone
Jul 24 2014, 04:15 PM
Hopefully not this season anymore.
han2503
Jul 24 2014, 04:16 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 24 2014, 04:05 PM)

I have to force myself to watch Milan when they're live on tv at a decent time on my day off nowadays, if I'm honest.
I don't force myself, I still anticipate watching games, but more like with a sense of dread rather than excitement which was the case back in the good old days
Danny
Jul 24 2014, 07:59 PM
I'll never find myself ever feeling 'forced' to watch either of my teams. Don't mean that as a criticism of anyone else and how they conduct themselves, it's just my clubs are in my blood and through thick or thin I love them even more.
X-Offender
Jul 24 2014, 08:03 PM
QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 24 2014, 07:59 PM)

I'll never find myself ever feeling 'forced' to watch either of my teams. Don't mean that as a criticism of anyone else and how they conduct themselves, it's just my clubs are in my blood and through thick or thin I love them even more.
But the fact that you're feeling 'forced' expresses how much you care for that club, as any other fan would give up and stop watching.
Danny
Jul 24 2014, 08:30 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 24 2014, 07:03 PM)

But the fact that you're feeling 'forced' expresses how much you care for that club, as any other fan would give up and stop watching.
Wouldn't I be the 'any other fan' you refer to here given I don't feel forced?
Or do I misunderstand you?
William405
Jul 24 2014, 08:31 PM
Well, since we're speaking about that...Personally, if Milan is on TV..I can't but watch it.
The problem comes when I don't have the channel, and have to sit through a match watching it frame by frame due to my lousy internet..that's when I say get to the "**** it" point.
han2503
Jul 24 2014, 09:05 PM
QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 24 2014, 08:30 PM)

Wouldn't I be the 'any other fan' you refer to here given I don't feel forced?
Or do I misunderstand you?
I think he's referring to the bandwagoners who would jump ship rather than feel like they are forced to watch games through the sheer love they have for the club they support.
If I didn't love Milan, it would be easy to start supporting Real or Barca or City or PSG
Danny
Jul 24 2014, 09:28 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 24 2014, 08:05 PM)

I think he's referring to the bandwagoners who would jump ship rather than feel like they are forced to watch games through the sheer love they have for the club they support.
If I didn't love Milan, it would be easy to start supporting Real or Barca or City or PSG
My support for Milan intensified and solidified in 2002 basically at the peak and beginning of the end of the standing of Italian football on a global scale.
I think the semifinal of the CL that season pretty much cemented me as a Rossoneri, and as we've declined since then, my support has never wavered.
I see supporting your team as, within reason, watching/attending out of love whenever wherever it is/you are. No matter what state your team is in.
I've never really felt forced to watch my clubs, I actually enjoy it, no matter how bad we are.
Maybe I'm masochistic.
han2503
Jul 24 2014, 10:14 PM
QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 24 2014, 09:28 PM)

My support for Milan intensified and solidified in 2002 basically at the peak and beginning of the end of the standing of Italian football on a global scale.
I think the semifinal of the CL that season pretty much cemented me as a Rossoneri, and as we've declined since then, my support has never wavered.
I see supporting your team as, within reason, watching/attending out of love whenever wherever it is/you are. No matter what state your team is in.
I've never really felt forced to watch my clubs, I actually enjoy it, no matter how bad we are.
Maybe I'm masochistic.
Well, personally speaking, I'll watch every competitive game, no matter what. These last 2 to 3 seasons the football has been horrifying, which made watching the team that I support feel like a chore to me, whereas in the past I used to look forward to each game with so much excitement and enthusiasm. I think that's part of the reason why I irrationally hate Allegri so much. Because he took away the joy of watching Milan play for me.
But staying up until 2 am to watch us half assing a friendly where we'll mostly be playing second string players, atm, is not worth it for me. It's not like there's a new player that we're all excited to see how he fits into the team. Pippo won't even be playing Alex or Menez. So staying up so late to watch Zaccardo, Constant and Bonera running around like headless chickens just doesn't appeal to me atm.
And also, with the way things are going in the transfer market I'm more pessimistic rather than optimistic atm, which is why my passion for Milan is probably at an all time low as well.
Danny
Jul 24 2014, 10:36 PM
Alex and Menez could play. Both included on the trip. And seeing Mastour up against a decent team could be well worth it. Ditto the progress in recovery of SES.
There are a few subplots.
X-Offender
Jul 25 2014, 01:45 AM
So, we're losing...
il_diavolo_mtl
Jul 25 2014, 02:55 AM
3-0 FT...only saw the last minutes but it looks like olympiacos fielded their best team and we have some kids
Danny
Jul 25 2014, 03:03 AM
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Jul 25 2014, 01:55 AM)

3-0 FT...only saw the last minutes but it looks like olympiacos fielded their best team and we have some kids
We started with Zacccardo, Rami, Bonera, Albertazzi, Poli, Cristanti, Saponara, Pazzo, Niang and SES.
For us to be mauled that badly shows no matter how many times we change the bloody manager, this just isn't going to change until Silvio sells up.
Sure, it wasn't our very best team but then...what is? Right now no one can agree on our best defence, midfield or attack.
The only thing we all concur on is that De Jong is our best player.
We are utterly over run by the Mexes, Pazzos, and Polis of this world. Honest decent pros but a trillion miles off what a Milan should have.
This time last year in this same tournament we got mauled by Man City 5-3. That was a fair reflection of how the season transpired.
This could even worse because we were at least able to score back then. Against a better team!
Woeful. Long, horrible, dark season ahead unless Pippo works a miracle.
PS: he still f*cking plays MDS as RB.
il_diavolo_mtl
Jul 25 2014, 03:03 AM
Albertazzi to blame for the first, though zaccardo lost dominguez
and bonera ( i think) with a HUGE blunder on the second
third was a wonder goal, nothing to do
il_diavolo_mtl
Jul 25 2014, 03:06 AM
QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 24 2014, 11:03 PM)

We started with Zacccardo, Rami, Bonera, Albertazzi, Poli, Cristanti, Saponara, Pazzo, Niang and SES.
For us to be mauled that badly shows no matter how many times we change the bloody manager, this just isn't going to change until Silvio sells up.
Sure, it wasn't our very best team but then...what is? Right now no one can agree on our best defence, midfield or attack.
The only thing we all concur on is that De Jong is our best player.
We are utterly over run by the Mexes, Pazzos, and Polis of this world. Honest decent pros but a trillion miles off what a Milan should have.
This time last year in this same tournament we got mauled by Man City 5-3. That was a fair reflection of how the season transpired.
This could even worse because we were at least able to score back then. Against a better team!
Woeful. Long, horrible, dark season ahead unless Pippo works a miracle.
PS: he still f*cking plays MDS as RB.
I don't know how you came up with this list... I dare you to isolate any aspect that englobes Pazzo, Poli and Mexes...
Danny
Jul 25 2014, 03:08 AM
You might want to read the sentence after it. That'd help.
Danny
Jul 25 2014, 03:09 AM
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Jul 25 2014, 02:03 AM)

Albertazzi to blame for the first, though zaccardo lost dominguez
and bonera ( i think) with a HUGE blunder on the second
third was a wonder goal, nothing to do
You didn't watch the match for God's sake, how can you form an opinion on the result?!
il_diavolo_mtl
Jul 25 2014, 04:51 AM
QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 24 2014, 11:08 PM)

You might want to read the sentence after it. That'd help.
so, to be sure, they are the problem?
QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 24 2014, 11:09 PM)

You didn't watch the match for God's sake, how can you form an opinion on the result?!
Most of the highlights i watch, or for that matter most highlights in general show the goals...
Fillipo Simone
Jul 25 2014, 07:36 AM
Naah, I don't think it's that alarming yet. They're in better form and started with a full team.
Fillipo Simone
Jul 25 2014, 07:38 AM
QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 24 2014, 11:28 PM)

My support for Milan intensified and solidified in 2002 basically at the peak and beginning of the end of the standing of Italian football on a global scale.
I think the semifinal of the CL that season pretty much cemented me as a Rossoneri, and as we've declined since then, my support has never wavered.
I see supporting your team as, within reason, watching/attending out of love whenever wherever it is/you are. No matter what state your team is in.
I've never really felt forced to watch my clubs, I actually enjoy it, no matter how bad we are.
Maybe I'm masochistic.
No, you're a true fan
han2503
Jul 25 2014, 08:10 AM
Have not watched the game or the goals, but looking at that starting line-up vs a full strength side (not a bad side by any stretch either), it was bound to happen.
Bonera and Zaccardo are probably the biggest defensive liabilities in this league, Albertazzi never convinced me, I don't get why we brought him back from Verona.
As for the midfield, that was bound to get run over, Poli is the only one in there capable of doing any actual running and defensive work. Cristante strikes me as a bit of light weight, that's why I've said over and over that we should loan him out as he's just not ready yet, Saponara is just not a CM and it's a mistake to play him there imo. At least with Honda it makes more sense because he's a great passer and more experienced.
SES, Pazzo and Niang upfront... Pazzo seems like he won't ever get his touch back after that surgery. SES is still looking rusty from the friendlies I saw previous to this one so I can't imagine that anything about that changed and Niang... Well there are just no words to describe how bad he is imo.
That being said, let's not all get in a tizzy over a friendly, this is the exact reason why I chose to get an actual good night's sleep instead of staying up until some ungodly hour to watch this cr@p
Bluesummers
Jul 25 2014, 08:34 AM
Its just disgraceful. They just keep tarnishing our reputation more and more.
If we don't finish 3rd this year (which we wont) i can see berlusconi selling. There is no way he'll spend on milan. He did it for 30 years, hes done.
The only other option is he dies this year and barbara takes over and makes changes. Shes seems to be very motivated. Whatever happens I hope she sticks around.
han2503
Jul 25 2014, 10:22 AM
Just watched the highlights. Zaccardo... I mean why haven't we just terminated his contract if he doesn't want to leave. What a total waste of space he is.
Bonera also, I hope Pippo doesn't do a Seedorf and plays him based on the simple fact that they were buddies back in their playing days. The guy is finished, has been for a while now. You simply cannot play him at CB.
Albertazzi... He looks mediocre at best, and this just coming for the 4+ minutes of highlights I watched, his positioning seemed awful on all the occasions when we were defending.
On the other hand, the attacking play looked good, the finishing though was poor, should have at least scored twice from the chances we created
dst
Jul 25 2014, 10:54 AM
hahahahahaha what a joke!
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Jul 25 2014, 04:55 AM)

3-0 FT...only saw the last minutes but it looks like olympiacos fielded their best team and we have some kids
Nope, that was not Olympiacos's first team!
Danny
Jul 25 2014, 12:21 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 25 2014, 09:22 AM)

Just watched the highlights. Zaccardo... I mean why haven't we just terminated his contract if he doesn't want to leave. What a total waste of space he is.
Terminate his contract? Pippo actively blocked his transfer away! He's staying.
QUOTE
Bonera also, I hope Pippo doesn't do a Seedorf and plays him based on the simple fact that they were buddies back in their playing days. The guy is finished, has been for a while now. You simply cannot play him at CB.
Albertazzi... He looks mediocre at best, and this just coming for the 4+ minutes of highlights I watched, his positioning seemed awful on all the occasions when we were defending.
On the other hand, the attacking play looked good, the finishing though was poor, should have at least scored twice from the chances we created
Attacking play looked good? Man, highlights really do deceive!
Danny
Jul 25 2014, 12:23 PM
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Jul 25 2014, 03:51 AM)

so, to be sure, they are the problem?
Not them in particular, but the fact Milan are basically relying on that level of player now. I like Poli, but Monto at his best he ain't.
Fillipo Simone
Jul 25 2014, 12:47 PM
QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 25 2014, 02:23 PM)

Not them in particular, but the fact Milan are basically relying on that level of player now. I like Poli, but Monto at his best he ain't.
Monto at his best happens once or twice in a few months. That's one of the main problems, not Poli
X-Offender
Jul 25 2014, 01:11 PM
Even with a full-strength line-up we would still have problems winning against Olympiacos or any prepared team for that matter. We finished 8th, remember? So, how come everyone is surprised that we lost to them with a crappy line-up in the first game of the season?
Fillipo Simone
Jul 25 2014, 01:14 PM
I don't think we're surprised. It's just that we don't wanna lower our standards.
We also never but once in the last 20 seasons had two such bad season in a row.
kurtsimonw
Jul 25 2014, 01:29 PM
Are people actually taking anything from a pre-season game? Something to complain about, I suppose.
han2503
Jul 25 2014, 01:37 PM
QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 25 2014, 12:21 PM)

Terminate his contract? Pippo actively blocked his transfer away! He's staying.
Attacking play looked good? Man, highlights really do deceive!
No, he wanted to stay and impress Pippo as he did not want to go to Turkey. This was confirmed by Galliani
Well yeah, some of the chances we had (going by the highlights of course) looked like good plays.
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