In what universe is getting 2 penalties anything like playing a half a man down? I'd take 2 penalties and playing with 10 men for a half every day of the week!

We'll never be the Milan we all remember again, unfortunately. It's all well and good kicking and screaming about things, but FFP and Italian politics have destroyed Italian football for the most part. Juve were lucky and they'll dominate for a decade as a result, they're untouchable.

They weren't just gifted two penalties, but we were denied of two blatant ones. That was the real robbery there. Yes, it was our own damn fault for letting them get to us with a one-man and two-goal advantages, but had that tw@t of Tagliavento whistled one of those penalties in our favor, the 3rd place practice would have been sealed way sooner than the last week.

Wow ...........so much doom and gloom here. Sadly I concur with a lot of you guys....

ALSO, MAX DESERVES ANOTHER YEAR

There I said it. He's a n00b, a charlatan and a born mid table manager. But for a looong time the REAL charlatans have been Milan and us. As Killermax said we've got nothing. No legends, no class. The problem is that as nice as Galliani tries to be, he works for mafioso scum who only remembers the club when he can get publicity out of it.

Pato was our hope for the future and I know he had his problems but we let this excuse for a coach marginalize him then run him out of town. Don't get me wrong, Balo has replaced him more than adequately... But it does beg the question who are we? Will we sell SES next year after the inevitable falling out with the $#!t one? They have fallen out already and SES hasn't looked the same since. Urby said he changes tactics too much? Gone.

But Allegri is here and has done well at what he does best .... Grind out results with minimal talent. In the beginning of his time here I despised him because of his utter wastage of the little creative talent we did have. Having a coach like this plays right into the hands of management that wants to spend as little as possible. Wherever possible, we'll get the occasional "dubious" result to bail us out. We get a truly incredible amount of penalties these days. Always remember, the REAL power of Milan lies in the hands of an obscenely rich and incredibly powerful man

We're actually at a point where Allegri's results actually mean that he DESERVES a renewal. However if the powers that be want Milan to be the legendary club that we all came to know and love this man needs to go. His sacking would be hideously unfair to him but it would symbolize that all ambition is not gone from this once great institution.

Those Viola twats needs to look at the penalty incidents in our game with them. I hope someone inside the club publicly reminds them of those.

But once again, and for the nth time this season, our victory leaves a bitter taste. we were absolutely incapable of scoring the first goal from open play and had it not been for a soft penalty Fiorentina would be celebrating CL now so maybe they have a right to be angry.

I just hate it that we couldn't do the job without the ref's help to keep those twats' mouths shut now.

i didnt see the game but it makes me sick that we had to get CL spot like this. it's so pathetic

Great post!


In a universe were we had the advantage for more then half the game and had gone up by 2 goals!

It was the team's fault for jogging around after going 2 up and letting Fiorentina into the game. Allowing them to press us back into a situation were the ref even had the opportunity to whistle a penalty was OUR fault.

And really, it's just so typical of this team under Allegri. No motivation, no hunger, no fire, no passion. NOTHING! We play games as if we're going through the motions each week. It's just not acceptable. And to look at the sports papers this morning and see a huge "SCANDOLO!" written on one of them is the perfect illustration of yesterday and makes me feel even worse about how we managed to get here.


Sorry dru, but Allegri DOES NOT deserve anything more then a good kick in the @ss on the way out!

Had we not played like Cagliari all season long we'd have gotten third easily. Inter who should have been our closest rivals for 2nd/3rd have been absolutely decimated so the door has been wide open for a while, even Napoli collapsed for a moment there this season and we could have slipped into 2nd. But starting the season as we did thanks to our coach who tried every formation and ever first XI combination in the book because he's a clueless twit basically ruined the firs half of the season and then recovering in the way we did thanks to some help along the way absolutely DOES NOT make him deserve another year, let alone a contract extension FFS!!

There are so many good coaches out there. Who are willing to work with a squad that might not be top class, but it's still a very good squad in domestic terms. Maybe no a CL contender but with some work and effort could be a title contender easily in this sh!tty league we play in.

Trust me, I'm the most anti-Allegri fan in the universe. I DESPISE everything about his coaching style. But he fulfilled his objective - third place. Third place with a massive reduction in the quality of the squad.

What I want is this Allegri gone. His faults are easy to see. But what is FAIR is that he remains and Berlu actually spends on necessary reinforcements

Yes, third was achieved. But the manner in which it was achieved Is just not acceptable. Yes, I'm happy we're in the CL as not getting in it would have spelled disaster for our finances, but getting rid of Allegri is essential so next season we can actually get into the competition on merit. I was reading through a rival forum and a poster pointed out that due to "soft" penalties and some unfair decisions like sending offs and a couple of offside goals, we've easily been handed 12 points this season.

I was inclined to dispute that, but looking at this without the red and black tinted glasses, it's easy to see where that theory comes from.

And no, it's not fair, it's looking at the big picture rather then just saying we got 3rd so let's be done with it.

By the way, we're still not in the Champions League. We have to win the play-offs first, and who knows, maybe we'll get a tough opponent like Arsenal or Schalke and be knee-deep in sh*t.

EDIT: Apparently we can't face neither Arsenal nor Schalke. Good.

Okay, lets say I agree with this. Fiorentina putting themselves into a situation where they're behind us going into the last game is their own fault. Siena allowing us to press them into a situation where the ref had an opportunity to whistle for a penalty was their own fault. As you say, works both ways.

As for Allegri. A lot may not like his style, but what good play is he exactly going to be able to play with this team? What quality is there? Montolivo and Balotelli? Abbiati has more talent on the ball than Niang, Pazzini, SES and most of our midfield. Good thing we have a coach who can work with that rubbish and get the job done.

Sums it all up, well done Kurt, I couldn't have put it this simply even if I tried

Naah, I don't see the point in debating more.

As easy it is to point the finger at some kind of bribery or match fixing going on, given that neither Serie A or Berlusconi are mistaken for shining symbols of uncorruptibility, it's highly unlikely that happened in this match. If the ref was "instructed" to help Milan win, why would he send Ambro off with just 20 minutes to go and us needing 2 goals?

A simple cross and Balo crumbling down when there wasn't even any hope of reaching said woeful cross is not the same as pressing them into their own box, we didn't even create a single goal scoring opportunity that half, whereas with Fiorentina we simply took our foot off the pedal and were scrambling the ball away while we had a man advantage over them

As for what you said abut Allegri and our players, nice that you think our entire squad is rubbish

Niang, Traore, Muntari and a couple of others yes, do belong in a mid-table side, not at Milan but the rest of the team and our best XI can rival any team in the league if coached properly. This is not the EPL where there are 5 or 6 top class team to contend with, aside from Juve and Inter, no other team has a squad good enough or big enough to really give us trouble, even Napoli who have 1 world class player on their team (about to lose him might I add) and the rest are mostly good to great (Hamsik, Inler). But they don't have a squad big enough to cover losing any of those players.

Allegri had a good enough side to make the top 3, WITHOUT making a meal of it might I add.

What we achieved yesterday was the MINIMUM objective set out at the start of the season.

Unsurprisingly you forget to mention the 2 blatent handballs in the box and Balotelli getting fouled in the box and oddly the ref giving them a free kick for it.

And yes, I think people on here massively overrate our squad. Browsing other forums come up with the same conclusion. A Juve forum mentioned something like "Why is Milan's wage bill so high, do they even have any good players?" the response "No, but they buy into their own delusions that they do". I'm not saying it's rubbish, far from it, but I don't see an awful lot of quality in there overall.

The handballs would have been just as soft as the one we were ultimately given, both were blasted from close range onto the players' hands and what foul was there on Balo in the box? Forgive me for forgetting, but all I remember Balo doing is throwing himself around to try and win freekicks and penalties.

As for the Juve forum, they didn't see any quality in our side last season either FFS. They were comparing Thiago Silva with Chiellini FFS!! Some saying that it wasn't even a contest! THAT'S how delusional some of those fans are.

Overrate? No I don't overrate our squad, I simply look at the team sheet of each club in the league and you're left pretty much underwhelmed with ALL of them. Even Juve's.

Thus, I say that it's a good squad for the level of domestic competition we face. In the CL? That's another story.

Barzagli, actually.

The commentators we had didn't think it was a penalty, but I thought Balo got to the ball way before the defender on this incident. I think they did a good job getting to him, first half they fouled him about 20 times and 2nd half he was getting too frustrated.

http://youtu.be/TyXOQxiFeqg

I like this one better.

Nah, Crudeli is one of a kind. Don't know how he avoided heart attack till now

Think a little more about it.

Let's look at the Siena game. Please don't tell me that Siena's squad is remotely comparable to ours (overrated or not, rubbish or not). Yet Siena led for most of the game and there were stretches when they were the better team on the pitch. This despite the fact that Siena had no real motivation (many Siena fans are probably not that unhappy with a Milan victory - the rivalry between Siena and Firenze is intense and dates back from the days of the Guelfi and the Ghibellini), while for us this truly was a "make it or break it" game. AFAIAC, Milan was not playing like a team that wanted to qualify for CL (it did not look like they were really trying all that hard). We won because of a questionable call that completely demoralized Siena and got at least some players on our team to wake up. We won because we got lucky.

Unfortunately this game is not an exception. There have been many others that were just like it. The thing that gets me the most about Allegri is that he cannot seem to motivate and inspire. This, BTW., is the difference that someone like Conti can make (IMHO, the team with which he won his first scudetto was as "rubbish" as Milan is right now).

Ugly football and questionable results. Yeah, let's keep Allegri one more year !

Good point :-). Good to know that we needed the ref to help Allegri with his tactics :-(.

Yeah, I am not sure I would quote a Juve forum as the ultimate authority on the matter. And I agree that (while we don't stand a chance in Europe) we are still quite competitive in Serie A (and a sad statement that is).

We beat Barca and Juve, you telling me our squad is as good as either of those? and what stretches? Siena defended and fouled for 90 minutes. They had very few shots and no possession.


It's Conte and their showing in the CL suggests they've a good team. Their title winning teams are pretty much the same anyway so I'm not sure what you're getting at with their "first scudetto". What differences were their between the 2? Asamoah and Giovinco who barely played a single good game between them after the winter break?

lol...if that was the effort they put into fixing the match...then f it, we deserve 3rd for that effort alone! (and I would not want to play poker with Berlu and company!)

That would have been soft as well imo. There was no clear cut penalty that should have been given for us.


Completely agree. Great post.


Yep.


Barca, no, Juve? That's up for debate, obviously they have a slightly better squad then us, but once again, they don't really have any top class players bar a few which I can count on one hand and still have fingers left over.

You say we overrate our squad but what do you do? Severely underrate ours and then severely overrate Juve's so you can make yourself and try to make us feel as if Allegri's shortcomings are ok in the face of all the greatness he faces from Juve.

Juve when compared to other top European sides are just as rubbish as us. Simple as that. Why did they do decently in the CL this season? Because they have a top coach while we don't, so even when we had the top class star players and the experienced players who were regarded as some of the best in this era of football we still couldn't do anything. Getting eliminated to f@cking Tottenham and Peter Crouch FFS!

That would have been soft as well imo. There was no clear cut penalty that should have been given for us.


Completely agree. Great post.


Yep.


Barca, no, Juve? That's up for debate, obviously they have a slightly better squad then us, but once again, they don't really have any top class players bar a few which I can count on one hand and still have fingers left over.

You say we overrate our squad but what do you do? Severely underrate ours and then severely overrate Juve's so you can make yourself and try to make us feel as if Allegri's shortcomings are ok in the face of all the greatness he faces from Juve.

Juve when compared to other top European sides are just as rubbish as us. Simple as that. Why did they do decently in the CL this season? Because they have a top coach while we don't, so even when we had the top class star players and the experienced players who were regarded as some of the best in this era of football we still couldn't do anything. Getting eliminated to f@cking Tottenham and Peter Crouch FFS!

It happens to the very best coaches. Mourinho, Ancelotti and Ferguson have all been eliminated by bad teams.

And I can't agree with you re: Juve. They're so far ahead of us it's laughable.

It's laughable that you think that imo.

Their midfield is by FAR better than ours, yes.

But we have more talent in attack, and as for their defence, I've always maintained that it's their unit that is so strong and not the players as individuals, look at the same trio for Italy and it's just astonishing how they can go from best defence in the league to bumbling idiots who managed to get themselves into unseemly situations against Malta!

While we have been terribly coached in this area, from defending the most basic of setpieces to open play defending. It's mostly just individuals just trying to cover their @sses and each other's when necessary.

I think he's had great success with the FBs, having Tassotti to work directly with them but also giving them chances aside from that it's been one huge defensive mess this season for us. And that's not down to the individuals as we have a decently strong starting back 4

Then I think we have a difference in how we're rating the teams. To me if we have Silva and Kompany as our 2 CBs and they play poorly together - then that's not a good thing. Creating partnerships and units is more important than actual talent.

Anyways, we both know each others opinion and it won't change. We obviously have a clear view in our mind both in how we rate Allegri, the squad, the competition, etc. and we have done all year so a few more posts won't change it.

One thing I wonder, who the hell is our MotM from this game?

Agreed on that

Mexes for me

Ah, I do love happy endings. And with this our season almost ends.

Hmm. Where did I say that we are as good as Barca? What I did say (in another post) is that while we don't stand a chance in Europe we are still quite competitive in Serie A. No, we are not as good as Juve, but we are not that far off either. In fact, look at the two matches against them, won one, lost the other on a penalty. That is not "so far ahead of us it's laughable", especially if you take into consideration the quality of the coach (which IMHO makes a huge difference).

However, you seem to be missing my point :-). We should have beaten Siena easily: they are not a good team, the game was hugely important to us and meant nothing to them. Commentators in the game I was watching kept repeating it, we were not playing like a team that wanted to get in the CL. Not to mention tactical choices, which were dubious at best.

I started watching late in the first half. At that point in that game it looked to me like Siena was the better team on the pitch. Milan came back out in the 2nd half a little stronger, but it still was painful to watch them. Against Siena!

Again I think you are missing the point :-). The year Conte started, the team went from not qualifying for Europa to winning the scudetto. That was not all about the signings (they had high profile signings the year before). That was about how they played as a team, with good tactical decisions, and playing every game as if it was the most important game in the season (i.e. motivation). That is the difference a good coach can make.

We actually played worse in the second half.

Jokes aside, Berlu already has enough legal trouble in Italy right now, so I seriously doubt that he would risk another Calciopoli just to qualify for CL. He may not be the most honest person around, but stupid he is not.

Possibly. We did attack for most of the second half, though.

Completely agree with you

Although as x-off said, we did actually come out looking worse in the second half then we did in the first if at all possible

So, new poll here

Thanks Fillipo.

No problem. Soon I'll give you some stats (seasonal resume) and new polls as well.