I don't think we bribed the refs, but it's very, very peculiar how many favorable calls we've had this season. Sure, there were the first derby and the Firenze game where we were literally robbed, but all the other episodes truly gave us a hand in achieving this 3rd place.

Some of the comments from Fiorentina after tonight:

Sporting director Pradè: "It was an already written epilogue, we all imagined how it was going to end"
Gonzalo Rodriguez: "If I say what I think, then they ban me for life in Serie A"
Cuadrado: "The ref errors in Italy are incredible"
Viviano: "Better fourth than thieves".

Obviously they feel robbed, even though they all should shut their mouths and remember the two clear penalties denied to us against them in Firenze, especially the second one.

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I see you guys discuss still things like it's day one. Well, here's my take:

Shameful performance. We need substantial changes in terms of personnel, on all accounts. Firstly, we need a few good signings. Not quantity, but quality. This is very doubtful if the present financial situation and the rumors are take into account.

Secondly, we need a new coach. Allegri's shameful shenanigans should be ended. Even that bonehead Galliani should have realized that by now. His clueless handling (starting Niang, then bringing in Constant to play his first match ever on the right side - just a few short examples) has to be stopped. His lack of idea and tactical preparation is appalling. The man simply isn't suited for Milan so good riddance.

And finally, to all of you who believe Milan have a plan. I don't think so. I really don't. I heard Capello rejecting a Milan backroom role after leaving England - because he couldn't see Milan has a long term project. The youngsters and cheap signings - politic is just a some screen. We don't have the scouting network nor the experience to suddenly become the new Porto or Arsenal. Sometimes we hit gold, but most of the times we end up with the Niang's of this world. Also, Galliani's reign should come to an end. I give him 1 last season; but the man seems deluded. He's reputation as a miracle man and a tactician costed him finally - his ultimate trick is he managed to delude himself into thinking we have a strategy, a long-term plan, a direction.

In fact, we don't have anything. No legends, no class, no real coach, and no real management. Just the name.

I have no doubt the referees were paid off. No doubt. Berlu wanted CL, Berlu got CL. I don't care if you believe me or think what I'm saying is ridiculous. If you have ANY depth of insight into how Berlu runs his political machine and the Camorra's ever-growing involvement, you will know fixing Serie A games to meet certain expectations is rather a piece of cake for them. From there, it only takes some paying attention to details and emerging trends.

Anyways, it's not like everybody else is clean in Italy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) I'm not crying out for Fiorentina or anyone else.

Touché.



That's too extreme. Can you imagine if it was proved to be true? It would be the end of AC Milan.

This is true. I don't feel like I want to stop supporting Milan, but I certainly am for an overhaul of owner, directors, managers and players. How and if it will happen, I have no idea! But if nothing else, I've witnessed Milan beat teams in the CL with determination and elegance once not too long ago and that was enough for me to call myself a fan. But what direction Milan choose to take from here is up to them and out of my control. I hope for the best.

This post has been edited by KillerMax: May 20 2013, 12:09 AM

In what universe is getting 2 penalties anything like playing a half a man down? I'd take 2 penalties and playing with 10 men for a half every day of the week!

We'll never be the Milan we all remember again, unfortunately. It's all well and good kicking and screaming about things, but FFP and Italian politics have destroyed Italian football for the most part. Juve were lucky and they'll dominate for a decade as a result, they're untouchable.

They weren't just gifted two penalties, but we were denied of two blatant ones. That was the real robbery there. Yes, it was our own damn fault for letting them get to us with a one-man and two-goal advantages, but had that tw@t of Tagliavento whistled one of those penalties in our favor, the 3rd place practice would have been sealed way sooner than the last week.

Wow ...........so much doom and gloom here. Sadly I concur with a lot of you guys....

ALSO, MAX DESERVES ANOTHER YEAR

There I said it. He's a n00b, a charlatan and a born mid table manager. But for a looong time the REAL charlatans have been Milan and us. As Killermax said we've got nothing. No legends, no class. The problem is that as nice as Galliani tries to be, he works for mafioso scum who only remembers the club when he can get publicity out of it.

Pato was our hope for the future and I know he had his problems but we let this excuse for a coach marginalize him then run him out of town. Don't get me wrong, Balo has replaced him more than adequately... But it does beg the question who are we? Will we sell SES next year after the inevitable falling out with the $#!t one? They have fallen out already and SES hasn't looked the same since. Urby said he changes tactics too much? Gone.

But Allegri is here and has done well at what he does best .... Grind out results with minimal talent. In the beginning of his time here I despised him because of his utter wastage of the little creative talent we did have. Having a coach like this plays right into the hands of management that wants to spend as little as possible. Wherever possible, we'll get the occasional "dubious" result to bail us out. We get a truly incredible amount of penalties these days. Always remember, the REAL power of Milan lies in the hands of an obscenely rich and incredibly powerful man

We're actually at a point where Allegri's results actually mean that he DESERVES a renewal. However if the powers that be want Milan to be the legendary club that we all came to know and love this man needs to go. His sacking would be hideously unfair to him but it would symbolize that all ambition is not gone from this once great institution.

Those Viola twats needs to look at the penalty incidents in our game with them. I hope someone inside the club publicly reminds them of those.

But once again, and for the nth time this season, our victory leaves a bitter taste. we were absolutely incapable of scoring the first goal from open play and had it not been for a soft penalty Fiorentina would be celebrating CL now so maybe they have a right to be angry.

I just hate it that we couldn't do the job without the ref's help to keep those twats' mouths shut now.

This post has been edited by Zed.D: May 20 2013, 08:04 AM

i didnt see the game but it makes me sick that we had to get CL spot like this. it's so pathetic (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Great post!


In a universe were we had the advantage for more then half the game and had gone up by 2 goals!

It was the team's fault for jogging around after going 2 up and letting Fiorentina into the game. Allowing them to press us back into a situation were the ref even had the opportunity to whistle a penalty was OUR fault.

And really, it's just so typical of this team under Allegri. No motivation, no hunger, no fire, no passion. NOTHING! We play games as if we're going through the motions each week. It's just not acceptable. And to look at the sports papers this morning and see a huge "SCANDOLO!" written on one of them is the perfect illustration of yesterday and makes me feel even worse about how we managed to get here.


Sorry dru, but Allegri DOES NOT deserve anything more then a good kick in the @ss on the way out!

Had we not played like Cagliari all season long we'd have gotten third easily. Inter who should have been our closest rivals for 2nd/3rd have been absolutely decimated so the door has been wide open for a while, even Napoli collapsed for a moment there this season and we could have slipped into 2nd. But starting the season as we did thanks to our coach who tried every formation and ever first XI combination in the book because he's a clueless twit basically ruined the firs half of the season and then recovering in the way we did thanks to some help along the way absolutely DOES NOT make him deserve another year, let alone a contract extension FFS!!

There are so many good coaches out there. Who are willing to work with a squad that might not be top class, but it's still a very good squad in domestic terms. Maybe no a CL contender but with some work and effort could be a title contender easily in this sh!tty league we play in.

Trust me, I'm the most anti-Allegri fan in the universe. I DESPISE everything about his coaching style. But he fulfilled his objective - third place. Third place with a massive reduction in the quality of the squad.

What I want is this Allegri gone. His faults are easy to see. But what is FAIR is that he remains and Berlu actually spends on necessary reinforcements

Yes, third was achieved. But the manner in which it was achieved Is just not acceptable. Yes, I'm happy we're in the CL as not getting in it would have spelled disaster for our finances, but getting rid of Allegri is essential so next season we can actually get into the competition on merit. I was reading through a rival forum and a poster pointed out that due to "soft" penalties and some unfair decisions like sending offs and a couple of offside goals, we've easily been handed 12 points this season.

I was inclined to dispute that, but looking at this without the red and black tinted glasses, it's easy to see where that theory comes from.

And no, it's not fair, it's looking at the big picture rather then just saying we got 3rd so let's be done with it.

By the way, we're still not in the Champions League. We have to win the play-offs first, and who knows, maybe we'll get a tough opponent like Arsenal or Schalke and be knee-deep in sh*t.

EDIT: Apparently we can't face neither Arsenal nor Schalke. Good.

This post has been edited by X-Offender: May 20 2013, 03:21 PM

Okay, lets say I agree with this. Fiorentina putting themselves into a situation where they're behind us going into the last game is their own fault. Siena allowing us to press them into a situation where the ref had an opportunity to whistle for a penalty was their own fault. As you say, works both ways.

As for Allegri. A lot may not like his style, but what good play is he exactly going to be able to play with this team? What quality is there? Montolivo and Balotelli? Abbiati has more talent on the ball than Niang, Pazzini, SES and most of our midfield. Good thing we have a coach who can work with that rubbish and get the job done.

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: May 20 2013, 07:21 PM