C'mon man, he didn't dive. There was a clear contact between him and the defender.



What would you do about it?

I meant the theatrics... I think he had every intention of winning a penalty in that scene.


He'd be a hero for me.

I don't think this game was THAT crucial. 2 points would'n't have meant no CL. there's still a lot of games left to play, we still can do it without the ref's help.

I meant this:

Then kuddos to him. How many times has Inzaghi faked or dived in his career? It's only natural for a striker to go for a penalty when the opportunity presents itself.

Best team won, it wasn't the best way to do it but we deserved the win. That stat sheet is completely one sided.

This site should be renamed to milancomplaints.com

Yeah I know. as I said I can't and I'm not blaming him. I'm mad at the ref for not giving Udinese a FK and El Sha a yellow card!

What the hell??? If he had not given the penalty, then it should have been a corner for us. FK for Udinese and yellow to SES? Why o why would he do that? We all agreed it wasn't a dive.

When it comes to Inzaghi, actually, I think he got as many (if not more) denied penalties because of his reputation then penalties won by diving.

But anyway, vote top & flop here

OK, OK, I got a bit carried away

Refs need to be more accountable. In fact they should have to explain their decisions so we can see why they made it.

It'll never get better when the FAs defend their refs blindly even when they do a **** job and smaller clubs will always get fucked over.

You talk as if we're playing with the Primavera.

There are still a lot of experianced players out there who should know how to keep a cool head when it matters. Starting with the supposed "captain" (don't get me started on giving him the armand! I'd prefer it if Monto or Abate take it), Monto, Nocerino, Flamini, Zapata, Abate. All of these guys are experianced and have played a lot of games.

It's just the hallmark of this team. Once we conceeded we couldn't even make a decent pass.

The subsitutions were just terrible as well.

Lumping on so many forwards. Leaving the midfield completely threadbare and exposed by taking off Nocerino to lump in Bojan in there. I don't even know what formation we switched to once he came on. It looked like they were trying for a 4-2-3-1 but it looked like a right old mess.

Always the usual stuff. The penalty just saved our @sses but it certainly was not deserved


Seeing the possession percentage will most likely tell you that we were the better side. But the fact is that we did not come out in that second half. We were a lot better in the fist and maybe should have scored the second, but still that does not excuse that second half showing. Whether we has more possession, more chances, etc it still does not mean that we deserved to win it. The fair result would have been a draw tonight


Yeah, SES was looking for the penalty no doubt about it.

But like I said, at the end of the day it's the ref's decision. It's not our players' job to make sure that he does HIS job well.

As for the importance of this game, I don't think it's something that should be even debatable. These 3 points today have put us within touching distance of 3rd. And I get what you're saying about making the ground in the following games, but you can't know how a draw today would have effected the team. Making this leap in the table today will be crucial for our season

What a shame, come on, I doubt there's an angle that could have made the ref think otherwise. There's no way he did not see it was not a penalty, this is undoubtedly intentional for whatever reason.


F no! I hate it that we've come to think this is natural... I never liked Inzaghi cause he was a cheat and it's not natural, stupid FIFA allowing such things has made it this way.

But yeah what could they do? I mean a challenge system would certainly slow down the game. But wait didn't the Udinese players mob the ref for two minutes anyway? Oh...

Thank YOU!!!


This is always the case with Milan. No composure and lack of concentration!


Balo will be our main penalty taker from now on.


+1

We've been on the other end at times as well.

Was it a penalty? No

Was it an undeserved win? No, not entirely based on how the game went, chances we made and overall stats.

Balo was looking for a penal earlier in the game as well - I am not saying it was one either, but like the one that was given there was contact. I guess it influenced the ref's decision. Important thing is we got the 3 points, what we've got to do now is look ahead and build on this journey up the table.


+1 As I said just above. Deserved penalty? No. Deserved win? Yes!!


It's not SES' job to inform the ref that it was not a penalty. Besides how was he to know for certain that it wasn't?

There was contact and that's all he would know for 'certain'


Agreed.


All the stats you'll need, right here: http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/651722/Live

Let's hope it was a genuine mistake from the ref. I don't want another Calciopoli and I'd be gutted if we influenced the ref to favor us if we needed it.

Exactly, most big decisions like that get delayed due to protests anyway. Why not use that time to actually get the decision right!

He may have seen (or felt) the defender tackling the ball before his leg, but as I said I'm mad at ref. sure it's not the player's job to inform the ref, but sometimes the honest ones do and it's a great gesture. like Klose did.

Yeah, Silvio called the ref before the game and ordered him to give us a penalty. What the hell, dst!

I don't think it was a dive on El Shaarawy's part, but he was looking for the penalty with the way he showed the ball to the defender while having no intention of playing it.

I don't think he was even expecting it, everyone was simply expecting the corner to be called. The tackle was clean but SES was caught on the follow through so he was taken out, he certainly did not fall over theatrically.

Having said that, it's not his job to descern whether the tackle was clean or not. Expecting him to correct the ref is a bit ridiculous, I'm sorry zed.

As for people saying we deserved to win... How can you really say this when we scored 1 correct goal and Udine scored 1 as well? Had that penalty not been given the game would have rightly ended in a draw. Expecting the ref to help us out because we simply cannot finish a game off is just as ridiculous as zed expecting El Shaa to correct the ref . Just like last Sunday when we couldn't kill the game off and barely hung on against a 10 man Atalanta

What a match. I always said I'll take a win any legal way I can get it - if it goes in off the ref's backside in the 94th minute that's fine by me.

First off, not read any of this thread, just wanted to pop on and rant my mind then pee off again

First half was maybe the best performance from a Milan side I've seen for a calendar year. The shape was terrific, Niang was electric down the right, the midfield dominated, both general flanks got used over and over again and we FINALLY have a world class marquee striker who we can rely on.

Balo was simply wonderful - every inch what I'd hoped for and more.

Second half quite simply was a disaster. Udi gained confidence from a lacklustre Milan who seemed to think the first half had been enough. The composure, class, movement and one-twos were all gone, and even Balo struggled to hold the lot together.

Udi equalised through our stepping off the gas and then it was a frantic finish where either side could win.

Was it a penalty? Of course not. Was it a bad bad call? Absolutely. Do I care? No. Delighted that we've won the 3 points and the manner doesn't matter.

Remarkable debut from Mario and he'll only get better.

I also have to utterly applaud Allegri's bravery in going 4 up top. We DID need to win the game and it was a bold move to remove a mid and go Bojan instead.

Unfortunately it didn't work because the little Spaniard was so utterly, utterly hopeless and his decision making was dire. Worst I've seen him play in a long time.

End of the day the 3 points are all that I care about, that and the first half performance and the overall display/debut of Mario.

We're now 4th, and if we keep up the quality from the first half we'll make the CL and maybe even second place.

12 points is too much ground till May I'd say but 9 points is a maybe.

There's certainly lots of positives from tonight's match.

Hey! I didn't EXPECT him to correct the ref, I said I WISHED he did that if he knew it wasn't a penalty.

Come on now. I wouldn't go that far. Was the ref's decision suspicious and seemed to be not of an innocent nature? Yes. But I highly doubt we would get ourselves involved in such BS again after what we already went through in 06.

I've seen some really shocking decisions this season. Most notably that Juve game which atm I'm forgetting who it was against. Maybe Cagliari...

Juve were allowed a clearly offside goal while Cagliari's onside goal was disallowed.

It was just shocking to see, but I feel that the refereeing standard has simply just dropped that low, and not everything is a huge conspiracy

Now watch these 3 people's heads explode:

Fillipo han x-offender

I say we should play with them upfront next game. They are not about the huff and puff, but just pure sexy moves.

Why do you think we wouldn't get our hands dirty again? don't you know Italians never learn?

I think the Juve game was vs Catania. yeah, that was even worse than this.

Yeah cause that has surely never ever happened before. The ref had maybe bet on a Milan win, I don't know what he was doing, but there's no way he thought that was a penalty. Unless he is truly an idiot in which case he must never officiate again.

Is this what we've become? I'm sorry this should not be the attitude of a Milan fan but of an Inter fan!

I don't mind playing badly and winning, never have. but being gifted like this right at the death? makes me puke in my mouth. but that's just me.

But even if he knew it wasn't, it's not his job to correct the ref. And call me immoral and other sh!t but had he done that I'd have flew to Milan and personally shaved off the stupid mohawk!

Like I said, it's the ref's decision, it's his mistake, and he's the one that has to be held accountable. Whether SES knew or not if it was correct he shouldn't be correcting the decision either way.

Just like I feel it's completely childish of the players to sarround a ref and whinge in his face for a few minutes because they don't like a particular call. I call that the "Barca Syndrome"


That's his oppinion, I don't share it. I'm not going to jump on him for thinking Niang was good. I just did not think so. If I was looking for a defensive winger to start as part of my 3 UPFRONT than I'll call Niang, if I was looking for an actual attacker who would help in ATTACKING play then I'll play Bojan or Robinho

I know, I know Bojan was complete cr@p today, there, I say it like I see it. I wanted Bojan on and he disappointed me big time.

But what can you really expect from a player like Bojan when coming on at the 70th minute while the entire team is in disarray and we completely change our shape? A Bojan who hasn't played regularly because Allegri does not want to give him a chance, even when he's come on and been the difference maker in games. What Allegri should have done was make a straight swap between Niang and Bojan and kept our shape, not left us completely without a midfield and I don't even know what role he gave Bojan. To see what he can really offer in this system that Allegri is insisting on he has to be started at least in one game so we can see, whether he can do better than Niang there. Because I am positive that he would. Niang is just not a winger, and it pains me to watch him playing there


Yeah, thanks, it was Catania

I don't know, I say Galliani is stupid a lot of times. But I would hope that they wouldn't involve us in such cr@p.

Agreed on this bit. The win left a bitter taste in my mouth

Déjà vu... It was good

Yeah I get it, but why the fuss? This is hardly the first time we won on a controversial decision, and most certainly not the last!

You're right on that one, but I think the difference this time is how important the game was, the time the penalty was given and how blatantly obvious it was that the decision was incorrect.

yeah it's the stupidity of the decision that makes it much worse.

Hahahahhahahaahhaha

Juve match? Hardly any less important.

Yeah. Actually, the decision in the Juve match was worse IMO.

Did you miss this?

^^ Actually I did because it was posted right before we conceeded so I must have missed it in the shuffle

Have just now read it though...

What does him working hard have to do with my criticism? I actually praised that as one of his few attributed which I think are decent as of right now. But everything else, he needs to work on it a LOT.

And I never said that he should be this or that, but to have him play on the wing as a "defensive winger" is just stupid and simply does not help our attacking play. We're already playing Abate and Flamini on that right wing who do enough huffing and puffing. We need someone on that right side who will create, link up, open spaces, score, etc. And that just simply is not Niang

And since when is Allegri's approach correct?? This is the man who played Boateng and Urby in that position before ever thinking of playing an actual attacker in that position! The fact is that Niang is simply not a winger and it just becomes glaringly obvious in these games. How can it be ok for you that he's simply running up and down and putting in really strong crosses?

I never said that you guys think that he's special or whatever. But it's the same BS on here every time a youth player is given half a chance. It's people sh!tting themselves thinking we have the next big thing, and 99% of the time they're all mediocre or just simply average.

I just want to clarify that I have nothing against Niang, I think he could be a decent CF if he works on his finishing, but how can you do anything other than cringe watching him play as a winger when there are more suitable players on the bench?

And like I said above. Yes Bojan was utter cr@p tonight, but what do you expect in such a situation. Neither is he a Messi who can come on and turn a game on its head (even if he has done so a few times for us this season with no reward in sight from Allegri) and neither is he the type of player who thrives on coming on a sub, a player like him needs to get into the flow and pace of a game to really be effective. He needs to be given a proper chance. If he doesn't deliver in said chance, then we go back to the work horse running up and down the wing with no purpose. But at least we'd have tried to do something other then this BS Allegri constantly feeds us

Balo:

"I'm happy even if the game was difficult," Balotelli added. "I’m strong but my legs are still heavy. I haven't played many games and I have to train a lot.



F*ckin mancini, can't wait till he's fit. He's gonna tear sh!t up!

De Rossi also informed the ref once that a goal he scored should not have stood, and it was then reverses, and I agree acts like these are great to see, but it's not like I'd judge every player that doesn't do that harshly.

I do however despise those who complain and fake, to better themselves & their teams cheaply.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtUZF_rr-KI

Was Pazzini injured or was he told to step off the pitch? He looked pissed off?

Injured.

Nah, there is something going on. Watch the beginning of the footage again. Pazzini is not on board with Tavana. It almost looks like Pazzini is begging him...

I suppose he wanted to play at all cost but Tavana didn't want to risk anything.

Nah, he looks like he's just annoyed he got injured I think.

I swear this guy is gonna get a heart attack one of these days from those celebrations! lol

Link: http://www.football-italia.net/30336/alleg...t-wasnt-penalty


This is what I like...

When a coach can openly say something like this, without denying it or avoiding the conversation.

Always impressed with his interviews since he came, he knows how to handle the press and he talks well.

Ah, honesty. Makes a nice change.

Yeah, Billy Joel wrote a song about it. Maybe Allegri will too

https://twitter.com/Altaqui/status/29818661...3627906/photo/1