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QUOTE (Zed.D @ Nov 25 2012, 04:54 PM) *
You can make a point with less exaggeration/bias.

He can?
X-Offender
Allegri will listen to Berlusconi's suggestions and play Robinho and Boateng from the start, the last one as fake CF.

Abbiati; De Sciglio, Yepes, Mexes, Constant; Montolivo, De Jong, Nocerino; Robinho, Boateng, El Shaarawy.

Link

Boateng as CF, Emanuelson as AM, Muntari as playmaker... Allegri just loves experimenting crap. sleep.gif
Danny
QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Nov 25 2012, 06:54 AM) *
+1

Getting a little tired of hearing about the quality of the squad. Yes it is not nearly as good as last year, but (on paper) it is still better than most other Serie A teams. We should be in the top 3 in Serie A and shoud have won a relatively easy group in CL. On paper. (Keep in mind that most of our much maligned players are good enough to make their NTs on a regular basis.)

So, what is wrong? IMHO, morale and tactics.

Losing key players certainly impacted morale, though I get the impression that the "turning point" was Cassano leaving and maybe the loss to RM. However, it is the coach's job to motivate the team, and hollering "DAI DAI" through the game or yelling at half time somehow does not seem all that inspiring.

As for tactics, it is all about the coach.

Bottom line, no matter how you turn it, we all know what our biggest problem is right now.


Sorry, but this really is ridiculous. How can you call a team whose best player is SES the 3rd best in Serie A? Have you noticed the quality of Fiorentina and Napoli? We don't have a player half as good as Hamsik or Cavani.

The continued delusion about how good our team is is actually starting to grind.

Yes, the manager's a shambles. Yes, the tactics are all over the place.

But the squad is dire! Look at the defence! Mexes is our best defender and he's just 'good'. No more. Best midfielder is Monto - good good player but I'd take Hamsik any day. SES has bailed us out but choosing between him and Cavani is no contest.

For a Milan team normally endowed with Maldinis, Nestas, Ibras, Silvas, Pirlos, Shevas, Kakas - now look at us.

Top 3? Not a chance. A great coach could get this side into top 6.
Fillipo Simone
Hamšik is such a overrated player...
X-Offender
QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 25 2012, 05:21 PM) *
Sorry, but this really is ridiculous. How can you call a team whose best player is SES the 3rd best in Serie A? Have you noticed the quality of Fiorentina and Napoli? We don't have a player half as good as Hamsik or Cavani.

The continued delusion about how good our team is is actually starting to grind.

Yes, the manager's a shambles. Yes, the tactics are all over the place.

But the squad is dire! Look at the defence! Mexes is our best defender and he's just 'good'. No more. Best midfielder is Monto - good good player but I'd take Hamsik any day. SES has bailed us out but choosing between him and Cavani is no contest.

For a Milan team normally endowed with Maldinis, Nestas, Ibras, Silvas, Pirlos, Shevas, Kakas - now look at us.

Top 3? Not a chance. A great coach could get this side into top 6.


Napoli and Fiorentina have quality? Napoli, apart from Hamsik and Cavani, who really make the difference, have a pretty standard team. Is Campagnaro better than Mexes? Is Maggio better than Abate? Is Inler better than Montolivo? Is Pandev better than Bojan? I think, if you could compare both teams player to player, you'd realize we're pretty much there. Same argument about Fiorentina. Their only world class is player is Jovetic. Then all they have are some average to quality players, just like us. The only difference between us and those two teams is the coach. Whilst Fiorentina and Napoli have two talented motivators, we have this... n00b of a coach that's been making us massively underperform; he has no clue about tactics, he doesn't know how to handle players, he can't get the best out of his team. The sole reason he's not been sacked yet is Galliani. Otherwise, in normal circumstances, he'd be gone since a while.
han2503
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Nov 25 2012, 02:54 PM) *
You can make a point with less exaggeration/bias. I'm sorry I keep calling you biased, but that's the impression you give when you want to defend or criticize someone.

At the end of day we're reading things off a screen. So it's important to emphasise certain things because otherwise it would get lost in translation.

Saying that Yepes made numerous mistakes isn't exxagerating because he did make numerous niggly mistakes that is hard for me to forget and certainly not want him to start another game, because if he's making stupid mistakes against Anderlecth imagine him goofing off against Juve. So with that said, a little exxageration is required.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 25 2012, 03:20 PM) *
Allegri will listen to Berlusconi's suggestions and play Robinho and Boateng from the start, the last one as fake CF.

Abbiati; De Sciglio, Yepes, Mexes, Constant; Montolivo, De Jong, Nocerino; Robinho, Boateng, El Shaarawy.

Link

Boateng as CF, Emanuelson as AM, Muntari as playmaker... Allegri just loves experimenting crap. sleep.gif

The formation you posted above doesn't have Urby... Have you read somewhere else that he'll be starting?

Personally I think it's decent up to the midfield. But dropping Bojan is ridiculous!

Personally I'd play Robinho, SES and Bojan upfront with a false 9, as in we don't have a set striker so the front 3 have free reign.

With Boateng at this point it's either play him in that midfield or not play him at all. It's pointless to keep pushing him in those areas when he's completelt ineffective. And instead of pushing him back Allegri keep pushing him further forward every week!! So frustrating!!

QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 25 2012, 03:21 PM) *
Sorry, but this really is ridiculous. How can you call a team whose best player is SES the 3rd best in Serie A? Have you noticed the quality of Fiorentina and Napoli? We don't have a player half as good as Hamsik or Cavani.

The continued delusion about how good our team is is actually starting to grind.

Yes, the manager's a shambles. Yes, the tactics are all over the place.

But the squad is dire! Look at the defence! Mexes is our best defender and he's just 'good'. No more. Best midfielder is Monto - good good player but I'd take Hamsik any day. SES has bailed us out but choosing between him and Cavani is no contest.

For a Milan team normally endowed with Maldinis, Nestas, Ibras, Silvas, Pirlos, Shevas, Kakas - now look at us.

Top 3? Not a chance. A great coach could get this side into top 6.

Who do Napoli or Fiorentina have better than Mexes or Abate in their defence? Hamsik and Cavani are great (Hamsik is highly overrated btw) but COME ON!! Fiorentina and Napoli are soooo much better than us according to you.

You can only say this when viewing the perfrmances on the pitch, because yes they are performing a lot better than us. But we're talking on PAPER here and what we should have achieved so far this season, and on PAPER, we should have done better, certainly better than Fiorentina and Napoli FFS!!

Like we said a couple days ago. You're basing all your argument in hindsight and in that respect then I agree with you because we are ABSOLUTELY dire. A Sunday league team has more coherancy and cohesion than us!! But the squad we have is just not as bad as the performances would have anyone believe. And just because SES has turned into the star of the show doesn't indicate anything, it just means that the kid is stepping up and living up to the hype while the rest of his team mates are terrible underperforming.

Just look at some of our best performers from last season

Nocerino, Robinho, Boateng, Abbiati, etc. They're all playing REALLY bad this season.

In reality we lost 3 players from last season; Ibra, Silva and VB. (not counting Nesta because he had a bit of inconsistant season due to injuries and such and Mexes replaced him well)

In all reality should losing those 3 make the huge difference that it has? We're talking about fighting for first place to languishing in mid-table here FFS!!

Do I think we have a top squad? NO never said that, we are far from it in fact. But Serie A isn't really the EPL, only Juve are the terrifyingly consistant team, the rest swing from straight win runs to straight losing runs or drawing every other game. The fact is the league is not highly competitive when it comes to 2nd and 3rd and with the squad we have we should be in third. Simple! Inter and Juve have the better teams, the rest do not.
han2503
Lol, while I was writing my massive post to Danny Filippo and x-off basically write what I said as well!
Jack Sparrow
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 25 2012, 09:50 PM) *
Allegri will listen to Berlusconi's suggestions and play Robinho and Boateng from the start, the last one as fake CF.

Abbiati; De Sciglio, Yepes, Mexes, Constant; Montolivo, De Jong, Nocerino; Robinho, Boateng, El Shaarawy.

Link

Boateng as CF, Emanuelson as AM, Muntari as playmaker... Allegri just loves experimenting crap. sleep.gif


Haha. He is acting true to character then. Changing formations again. But to be fair, I can't complain too much. I did want to see this Boateng as a CF experiment. Just wish it wouldn't be tried out against Juve though. :-)
TriniKing_CE
Sky Corriere dello Sport, La Stampa and Gds, all had same probable formation for tonight

X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 25 2012, 05:42 PM) *
Lol, while I was writing my massive post to Danny Filippo and x-off basically write what I said as well!


Great minds think alike. wink.gif
Ry4n
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 25 2012, 07:33 PM) *
Napoli and Fiorentina have quality? Napoli, apart from Hamsik and Cavani, who really make the difference, have a pretty standard team. Is Campagnaro better than Mexes? Is Maggio better than Abate? Is Inler better than Montolivo?

Inler is a creative mid now...? Also Maggio is not as bad as you make out.
drucurl
Lolz P!rlo is re-explaining that $#!tlegri pushed him out of Milan

Wonder how the n00b charlatan camp feels about these declarations wub.gif
Zed.D
QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 25 2012, 07:51 PM) *
SES has bailed us out but choosing between him and Cavani is no contest.

Yet in our recent game El Sha outshone Cavani...
Fillipo Simone
I don't think it's a fair comparison. Both are good, both still have much to prove.
d'Arc.LP
OFFICIAL "XI" Vs Juventus (4-3-3): Abbiati_De Sciglio-Mexes-Yepes-Constant_Montolivo-De Jong-Nocerino_Robinho-Boateng-El Shaarawy.

MILAN'S BENCH: Amelia, Gabriel, Acerbi, Zapata, Emanuelson, Flamini, Strasser, Bojan, El Shaarawy, Niang, Pazzini.
han2503
SES is in the starting line-up and on the bench ^^^ biggrin.gif

The kid keeps getting better every day!
kurtsimonw
Amelia in for Abbiati, problem in pre-match warm up...

Montolivo given captains armband.
han2503
Nice start from Robinho and SES
milanbuf88
Nice move and shot by De Sciglio
han2503
Why can't they play like this in every game??
milanbuf88
Robinho is terrible. Put Pato in at half
Zed.D
Rizzolli is one big mother****er. clear foul on Robinho.
milanbuf88
Selfish play by SES. Nocerino was wide open streaking down the middle
Zed.D
El Sha needs to be cool a little and use his head better. he's not gonna score past Buffon with those weak long range efforts.
han2503
PENALTY
han2503
ROBINHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Zed.D
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kurtsimonw
YES!

Big break, never a penalty.
milanbuf88
Perhaps undeserved after seeing the replay but I'll take it

Robinho!!!
kurtsimonw
Boateng needs to look for a pass once in a decade.
han2503
BOATENG!! FFS MAN!! DO NOT SHOOT! PASS!!
han2503
After all the bad calls Juve have had going in their favour I don't care whether the penalty was deserved or not!

Get in I say!!

For once I think Allegri has got it pin point accurate with the tactics. Even if we don't win it's been a very good showing so far
han2503
Juve so predicatable. EVERY TIME with the ball wide to the right

If we conceed off one of these it would be so stupid of us
han2503
How was the foul Nocerino made a yellow and this one Barzagli made not?!
TheOgre
anyone have a stream?
Zed.D
Juve are crap tonight. we must take advantage and kill the game off asap.
han2503
Great first half. Top marks all round.

Allegri gets it right for once and there you have it.

The front 3 have done so well in terms of pressing and breaking into counters but they need to make better decisions in terms of the final ball
han2503
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Nov 25 2012, 09:34 PM) *
Juve are crap tonight. we must take advantage and kill the game off asap.

They'll most likely come out guns blazing in the second so the players should be getting a kick in the @ss during HT for not taking all the great chances they got
milanbuf88
We've played a good game so far. Boateng needs to pass more and Robinho's lazy playing style annoys me but he has been decent. We need to keep the pressure up in the second half. I'd like to see Pato brought on around 60.
Zed.D
Oh, and I LOVE the fact that it wasn't even a penalty but we got it and scored anyway. can't wait for them to show what pathetic hypocrites they are after the game (if they lose, that is). I mean after that disallowed Muntari goal which literally handed our Scudetto to them, they should shut up forever when they play us.
Zed.D
QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Nov 26 2012, 02:06 AM) *
We've played a good game so far. Boateng needs to pass more and Robinho's lazy playing style annoys me but he has been decent. We need to keep the pressure up in the second half. I'd like to see Pato brought on around 60.


Pato is not called up for this game.
TriniKing_CE
So far not too bad, it can be better but we're one up on the current league leaders, and dare I say we've been the better of the 2 sides by some distance. Apart from the weak penalty and missed chances, I could not have hoped for better. Let's hope we can keep up the pressurein the 2nd half and maybe even get another.
han2503
QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Nov 25 2012, 09:36 PM) *
We've played a good game so far. Boateng needs to pass more and Robinho's lazy playing style annoys me but he has been decent. We need to keep the pressure up in the second half. I'd like to see Pato brought on around 60.

I thought Robinho was one of our best players so far.

He has that little bit of vision that Boateng and SES don't have and he sees the pass when he can make it.

Btw, totally thought he was going to miss the penalty when I saw him step up I thought OH SH!T!

De Jong and Montolivo have also been killing it in that midfield
Zed.D
QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 26 2012, 02:04 AM) *
The front 3 have done so well in terms of pressing and breaking into counters but they need to make better decisions in terms of the final ball


But I can't help but think that with Bojan we could've done better with all those empty spaces in Juve's 1/3rd. Robinho hasn't been really good IMO, nearly missed his penalty too.

Btw, did I say Monto is awesome? I'm loving him, completely proved me wrong because I never believed in his potential before he signed for ys. hereby I gladly eat every bad word I said about him. biggrin.gif he's doing much better than the later day Pirlo did for us IMO.
Jack Bauer
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Nov 26 2012, 12:37 AM) *
Oh, and I LOVE the fact that it wasn't even a penalty but we got it and scored anyway. can't wait for them to show what pathetic hypocrites they are after the game (if they lose, that is). I mean after that disallowed Muntari goal which literally handed our Scudetto to them, they should shut up forever when they play us.

Totally. There would be a lot of whining from their people after the game and no one will mention that they get more help from refs than anyone.

Great half, we deserved the lead. We made Juve look very mediocre.
han2503
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Nov 25 2012, 09:37 PM) *
Oh, and I LOVE the fact that it wasn't even a penalty but we got it and scored anyway. can't wait for them to show what pathetic hypocrites they are after the game (if they lose, that is). I mean after that disallowed Muntari goal which literally handed our Scudetto to them, they should shut up forever when they play us.

Aside from that, if you look through their goals this season they've had something like 3 to 4 offside goals given anyway, and not just in games where they won easily, but most of them were match winning goals.

And let's not even talk about the atrocity that was the Catania game when Catania had a perfectly good goal disallowed while Juve had a 100% offside goal given
nuh
QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 25 2012, 10:38 PM) *
De Jong and Montolivo have also been killing it in that midfield

I think that now that they got used to each other they are becoming a really good duo
milanbuf88
QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 25 2012, 05:38 PM) *
I thought Robinho was one of our best players so far.

He has that little bit of vision that Boateng and SES don't have and he sees the pass when he can make it.

Btw, totally thought he was going to miss the penalty when I saw him step up I thought OH SH!T!

De Jong and Montolivo have also been killing it in that midfield



The vision has been nice and he has made a few great passes. He also has lost the ball a couple times trying to be fancy. I hope he keeps it up in the second half. I totally forgot Pato wasn't called up. I think that may mean Urby coming on to keep up the workrate after the forwards tire. Agreed on Monto and De Jong. De Jong has been all over the field.
han2503
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Nov 25 2012, 09:42 PM) *
But I can't help but think that with Bojan we could've done better with all those empty spaces in Juve's 1/3rd. Robinho hasn't been really good IMO, nearly missed his penalty too.

Btw, did I say Monto is awesome? I'm loving him, completely proved me wrong because I never believed in his potential before he signed for ys. hereby I gladly eat every bad word I said about him. biggrin.gif he's doing much better than the later day Pirlo did for us IMO.

Montolivo is outstanding imo. Him and De Jong are playing like bosses today. I like the rapport they've built with each other, which goes to show how important it is for players to play consistantly with each other.

As for Bojan, yes I feel he'd do better on the one-on-ones and especially on counters. But Robinho really does offer that great final pass that Bojan wouldn't while Prince has been doing an exceptional job in terms of going back into midfield, helping to recover balls and start off plays.

So for me it's a bit of a dilemma in terms of who I'd take off to get Bojan in there
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