QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 10 2011, 12:16 AM)

I'm not sure it is that way. I just see it differently.
Well, sorry, but you will have to because Milan operates that way for decades.
Look, I'm not telling we should keep both players till they're 44 and count on them a our captains. But this season we started with them as our leaders, and I think it woul affect our team psychologically if this would be changed now, in middle of the season, and at a crucial moment, when Milan is on the verge of breaking or coming out stronger then ever.
It's not like I have any authority over it. But I'm just saying it's the wrong method. And clearly it's showing on the field. Rino? He's been hopeless for 2 years straight now, the team is practically carrying dead weight when he's playing. He's slow, he loses the ball more then he recovers it. Mediocre players nutmeg him like there's no tomorrow. This coming from a huge Rino fan, this current Rino is a disgrace to the old Rino who imo was the best distructive DM in europe a couple of years ago. Now he's just making a fool of himself.
Ambo? He's been just as aweful imo, he seems to get away with more then Rino on here, butr it's plain to see. He can't tackle without taking his opponents legs, he's slow, uncoordinated, tries to build attacking moves when he doesn't have an ounce of passing ability in him.
We just cannot continue to keep both players on the pitch anymore simply on the fact that they've been at Milan for such a long time. They've become a liability, the both of them. Your arguments are backed by the club so you feel you are vindicated for your arguments, but let's look at all the bad decisions the club had been making over the years, this imo is another one that should be added to the list.
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Feb 10 2011, 05:32 AM)

it was me and Han against the world for the past seasons when it came to Ambro and Rino being "too old" 4 years ago. This is just disrespectful. It seams clear to me they are playing selfishly as they can't keep up with Anyone(!) in a relatively slow league. For all you flamini haters, can i simply ask you how many starts the man has had since coming. It is unrelated to his talent, as the old guard have guaranteed starts. It's a shame because we have sooo much pulp : Bonnera (are you f*k*n* kidding me, he lost us the genoa match too) Seedorf, Ambro and rino. we could actually survive cutting this waste and get a young LB prospect (antonini can play another year IMO) and a creative mid to make us less Pirlo dependent. it's sad to think we spend probably over 10M a year on the aforementioned lottery winners.
Agreed
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 10 2011, 06:00 AM)

All I have to say is if Ambro played the way Flamini played the last match, he'd be getting skewered.
@Filippo: Chill bro. He's 31+ and Italian and past it. Who the f@ck gives a damn that our CAPTAIN has been playing through pain for the past 3 matches coz there was no one else to step up.That's what Captains do....set examples.
I don't personally give a damn. What matters is that for the 30 odd players in our squad Ambro and Rino are leaders. I don't think for a moment Ibra or Pato are gonna listen when T.Silva yells at them to cover a flank. But try doing that to Max/Rino or even Zee.

I'd say only less than 30% of a team's life is on the pitch. The rest of it is in training and off it. So being a leader of a football team has far more to it than being the most talented player on the pitch. Maldini made R99 do pushups when he came late to training. Imagine T.Silva doing that to Ibra.

Once again Jack you over simplify things.
Flamini was just as injured as Rino was just 2 weeks ago. So you're using double standards when defending Rino for it but not Flamini. And he wasn't that bad imo, certainly not as bad as Rino.
Also you think Ibra listens to anyone? LOL yeah right, and I'm th king of Egypt

Seedorf? He can be as petulant as the previously mentioned Swede on a bad day, plus the fact that he's barely a player anymore. Seedorf, Rino and Ambro have a legacy at Milan for what they did in the past, but nowadays non of them should be anything more then squad players. Their best years are so far behind them it's ridiculous. Also I said Thiago shouldn't be captain. We have others capable of taking the spot. Players who are starters which are important to the team. Not players who are way past it and hold the team back more then anything else