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I understand you already said that and you're being sarcastic!? unsure.gif
Jack Sparrow
No. Why would you think that? I was just thinking in my post I'd mentioned the most important points and you came up with probably the most important.



P.S: I love you man! wub.gif
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 11 2011, 12:41 PM) *
Because it's only his second year in the club for one. He's never been Captain for another. He's considered a good player, not a leader within the squad. There's a third.

If only the good in-form players deserved to become Captains, then Ricky and not Maldini would have been lifting the 2007 Champions League.

First of all I will respond to your last sentence. Me mentioning Thiago Silva is not because he is a great footballer. Will you guys stop thinking/saying that? I said this before. So I disagree about your third one. I think in near future he will be a leader within the squad. Hard to explain this in words why I think so, but the way he acts, the way he is, how he fights for the club, and/or so, gives me that feeling.

Secondly, I agree it would be to soon to do so let's say coming season. I was talking about the future, when he is longer at the club than he is now, and first the current captains need to have left the club anyway before considering a new captain. And about your second one, well, of course since he was young then. Makes sense he wasn't captain yet, it's something for the future when he's (at least a bit) older.

QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Feb 11 2011, 02:14 PM) *
I think it's laughable and shows a shocking lack of understanding of the club that people are suggesting Thiago Silva should be made captain. People should learn a little about the club before making silly suggestions.

You probably find it laughable because you failed to read it's about the future. Or who do you want to see as captain after players like Ambrosini and Gattuso are done (at Milan)? And what exactly is silly about the suggestion?
acid911
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 11 2011, 06:13 PM) *
First of all I will respond to your last sentence. Me mentioning Thiago Silva is not because he is a great footballer. Will you guys stop thinking/saying that? I said this before. So I disagree about your third one. I think in near future he will be a leader within the squad. Hard to explain this in words why I think so, but the way he acts, the way he is, how he fights for the club, and/or so, gives me that feeling.

Well I wanted to tell you that you are not alone in this thinking. innocent.gif A few good years and Silva will be a captain here or at any other club. And I'd pretty much bet he'll be getting the Brazil national team captaincy as well round about the time he turns 30.

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 11 2011, 06:13 PM) *
Secondly, I agree it would be to soon to do so let's say coming season. I was talking about the future, when he is longer at the club than he is now, and first the current captains need to have left the club anyway before considering a new captain. And about your second one, well, of course since he was young then. Makes sense he wasn't captain yet, it's something for the future when he's (at least a bit) older.

Well I'm not too sure he'll be getting the armband here in Milan. wink.gif We'll probably have some more established players in the team in the next few years (after the change of guard), and really chances are low for the Monster #33. We had Brocchi wear the armband ahead of Kaka, when all of Paolo, Ambro and Gattuso (and maybe even Pirlo) were out.

I've got a feeling it'll be a homegrown star or a big Azurri star (that we snap in very soon) who'll be the first choice captain in the coming seasons. biggrin.gif Still just a feeling, though, so we'll have to see.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Feb 11 2011, 02:14 PM) *
It's 5 cards for the first league suspension; the rules shift a bit after that. The rules are also different in the CL.


I don't know about that. I only know that Ibrahimovic will play against Parma and that is definite, unless Allegri wants to rest him.

As for tomorrow's game, Sportmediaset suggests both Nesta and Pirlo will play from the start, though they've put Cassano as trequartista and Pirlo as a striker. unsure.gif

Milan (4-3-1-2): Abbiati; Oddo, Thiago Silva, Nesta, Bonera; Gattuso, Van Bommel, Emanuelson; Cassano; Pirlo, Ibrahimovic.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 11 2011, 02:54 PM) *
I don't know about that. I only know that Ibrahimovic will play against Parma and that is definite, unless Allegri wants to rest him.

As for tomorrow's game, Sportmediaset suggests both Nesta and Pirlo will play from the start, though they've put Cassano as trequartista and Pirlo as a striker. unsure.gif

Milan (4-3-1-2): Abbiati; Oddo, Thiago Silva, Nesta, Bonera; Gattuso, Van Bommel, Emanuelson; Cassano; Pirlo, Ibrahimovic.

Imo that's a terrible midfield to put out!

Pirlo was doing amazing stuff on the left side before he was injured, Flamini should be in ahead of Rino who has been a huge problem for us in midifeld.
Fishdoll
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 11 2011, 08:13 AM) *
You probably find it laughable because you failed to read it's about the future. Or who do you want to see as captain after players like Ambrosini and Gattuso are done (at Milan)? And what exactly is silly about the suggestion?


No, I find it laughable because in my opinion you really have a very superficial at best understanding of the club and its history. You might try learning a little about the club before you make such declarations because it seems to me that you're indulging in a bit of fanboyism. Again.

As for the lineups for the Parma game, I like Gazzetta's probable starting XI a little better:

Abbiati
Oddo Thiago Silva Yepes Bonera
Gattuso Pirlo Flamini
Robinho
Pato Ibrahimovic

Ibrahimovic has already served a suspension for yellow card accumulation. The only players 1 booking away from suspension right now are Bonera and Pirlo.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Feb 11 2011, 04:31 PM) *
No, I find it laughable because in my opinion you really have a very superficial at best understanding of the club and its history. You might try learning a little about the club before you make such declarations because it seems to me that you're indulging in a bit of fanboyism. Again.

Fanboyism? And what do you mean with 'again'?

Again you didn't explain anything really. All you keep saying 'you should learn more about blablabla'. You also didn't answer my question.
il_diavolo_mtl
oh god bonnera at LB, is antonini even injured?
X-Offender
I'd play us like this:

Abbiati
Bonera - Nesta - T. Silva - Emanuelson
Gattuso - Pirlo - Flamini
Robinho
Cassano - Ibrahimovic


Let Pato rest for the CL. Also, Emanuelson should start as LB whilst Antonini is injured (and Didac Vila is ignored).
Fishdoll
Not going to bother answering a question that really shouldn't have to be asked, Chu-Lip, because doing so would be a waste of my time. Just.... It's a good thing to learn a little about your subject matter before you make authoritative statements. (to be blunt: I don't think you understand thing one about Milan so am not going to get into any future debates with you about it because, well, it isn't worth it to me. I also haven't forgotten the #3 jersey comment or the several 'he's better than nesta' comments so yeah, i think you're a Thiago fanboy.)

Pointless debating out of the way, Allegri made a couple of comments on the lineup in his press conference today (original on the club website):
*Van Bommel to play in front of the defense
*Nesta and Pirlo to both get some playing time
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Feb 11 2011, 04:51 PM) *
Not going to bother answering a question that really shouldn't have to be asked, Chu-Lip, because doing so would be a waste of my time. Just.... It's a good thing to learn a little about your subject matter before you make authoritative statements. (to be blunt: I don't think you understand thing one about Milan so am not going to get into any future debates with you about it because, well, it isn't worth it to me. I also haven't forgotten the #3 jersey comment or the several 'he's better than nesta' comments so yeah, i think you're a Thiago fanboy.)

Pointless debating out of the way, Allegri made a couple of comments on the lineup in his press conference today (original on the club website):
*Van Bommel to play in front of the defense
*Nesta and Pirlo to both get some playing time

God, why being such a *****?

This season Silva is better than this season's Nesta, is what I said, what's wrong with saying that?

And my point really was that I believe Thiago Silva would make a very good captain in future. And that I don't see who would be a better captain of the players who we got below 31 years old. But the responses I am getting, wow, people say/think things that are wrong and wrong. It's annoying.
X-Offender
People, you are overreacting. CHU-LIP only said that Thiago Silva would make a good captain in the future. No need for all the yapping.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 11 2011, 04:59 PM) *
People, you are overreacting. CHU-LIP only said that Thiago Silva would make a good captain in the future. No need for all the yapping.

Thnx. smile.gif

All I wanted to do is disagreeing with those who say Thiago Silva is no captain material without being insulted by Fishdoll.
X-Offender
PIRLO INJURED AGAIN!!! sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif

Goodbye CL and goodbye Seire A!
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 11 2011, 06:57 PM) *
PIRLO INJURED AGAIN!!! sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif

Goodbye CL and goodbye Seire A!

cry.gif nooooo
X-Offender
Apparently he suffered a knee distortion in today's last training. Man, what a jinx! I'm guessing the recovery time won't be less than 2-3 weeks. Goddamnit! sad.gif
acid911
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 11 2011, 09:57 PM) *
Goodbye CL and goodbye Seire A!

Who are you, and what have you done with X-Off? mad.gif angry.gif realmad.gif Boy, feeling real touchy are we now-a-days? tongue.gif biggrin.gif I remember you were never so easily ticked off at the start of the season. Relax man, we have managed a lot of matches without Pirlo, we can do so another couple. As for bye bye CL, yeah bye bye. Like I care about that this season. Serie A should be the main target. Scudetto or die.

Seriously though, as much as Milan needs Pirlo for creativity, and as unfortunate his constant injuries seem, that won't make or break our season. wink.gif It's Allegri and his stupidity (coupled with his freak subs, or lack of, during matches) that will. We have dropped 8-11 needless point, another few and the hound dogs will start smelling blood. Point being, this year Milan somewhat has nice depth to the squad, something that was missing for the last four years running.
X-Offender
Drop it acid, I'm too depressed to be arguing at the moment. sleep.gif
CHU-LIP
We failed to sign a creative midfielder in January, this and Pirlo's injuries will cost us.
acid911
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 11 2011, 10:29 PM) *
Drop it acid, I'm too depressed to be arguing at the moment.

Oh, cheer up. smile.gif Let's just hope we don't miss Pirlo too much in the first leg of the CL match, and fingers crossed he returns soon after wards. I was taken back when I first read about his injury earlier this hour, but we have much bigger things that can go wrong if not taken care of, than this unfortunate injury.

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 11 2011, 10:29 PM) *
We failed to sign a creative midfielder in January, this and Pirlo's injuries will cost us.

Agreed. And maybe that is the reason why the Milan management is hesitant to renew with Pirlo later this year. Maybe they know something we don't. unsure.gif But really him getting injured, then playing a few minutes before breaking down during a match, and now hurting himself during training is not a good sign at all.
X-Offender
I'm guessing we'll have to play Seedorf at all cost now. And against Tottenham we won't have Van Bommel and Emanuelson available either. Who's gonna play in midfield? Damn it, out of all Serie A teams, we have the most number of injuries! No fair.
acid911
I'm afraid so. sad.gif Tottenham also suffer from their own set of injuries for the first leg, so it evens out somwhat.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 11 2011, 07:40 PM) *
I'm guessing we'll have to play Seedorf at all cost now. And against Tottenham we won't have Van Bommel and Emanuelson available either. Who's gonna play in midfield? Damn it, out of all Serie A teams, we have the most number of injuries! No fair.

Either Merkel or Seedorf. I would go for Merkel though. He's having a better season than Seedorf imo.
han2503
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 11 2011, 06:47 PM) *
Either Merkel or Seedorf. I would go for Merkel though. He's having a better season than Seedorf imo.

Seriously???

Merkel in the CL against Tottenham?? He'll get creamed....

We saw how he struggled against Catania, they toyed with him, he would be our weakest link, if Seedorf offers nothing else then at least he offers experiance and I'm 100% sure no one would even try to play him the way Merkel was played against Catania
il_diavolo_mtl
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Feb 11 2011, 12:47 PM) *
Either Merkel or Seedorf. I would go for Merkel though. He's having a better season than Seedorf imo.

it would be cool if merkel played in the CL
han2503
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Feb 11 2011, 08:12 PM) *
it would be cool if merkel played in the CL

Sure if we were playing Zilina or another team froma 5th rate league rolleyes.gif

Sorry but wanting Merkel to play in such an important tie in not a good idea. He's had 2 good games, where teams really left him a lot of space because theydidn't see him as a threat. Against Catania their coach chose the smart option, he put extr pressure on him and we saw Merkel crumble. Putting him agaisnt Tottenham is a disaster waiting to happen
X-Offender
Pirlo to be out for 6 weeks.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 11 2011, 09:07 PM) *
Seriously???

Merkel in the CL against Tottenham?? He'll get creamed....

We saw how he struggled against Catania, they toyed with him, he would be our weakest link, if Seedorf offers nothing else then at least he offers experiance and I'm 100% sure no one would even try to play him the way Merkel was played against Catania

I think you are being unfair to Merkel. He played poorly that game, so what? Everyone has that, surely younger players, and he played several games in a row. Also it's unfair you think what Seedorf can't, Merkel can't do either, even though Merkel is the better player of the two this season.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 11 2011, 09:29 PM) *
Sure if we were playing Zilina or another team froma 5th rate league rolleyes.gif

Sorry but wanting Merkel to play in such an important tie in not a good idea. He's had 2 good games, where teams really left him a lot of space because theydidn't see him as a threat. Against Catania their coach chose the smart option, he put extr pressure on him and we saw Merkel crumble. Putting him agaisnt Tottenham is a disaster waiting to happen

So who you want to play? He had more good games than Seedorf. If anything, Seedorf is a disaster.
TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 11 2011, 03:33 PM) *
Pirlo to be out for 6 weeks.

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huh.gif ? unsure.gif
Jack Bauer
Some witch cursed us? Last season was ruined because of injuries and this season it's much worse.
X-Offender
QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Feb 11 2011, 10:46 PM) *
blink.gif

huh.gif ? unsure.gif


I don't understand what you're trying to say.
ForzaMaldini
F*********CK!!!!!

DAMN THESE F*CKING INJURIES!!!!
William405
Bad luck indeed.

But,these constant injuries to Pirlo will certainly make Galliani and co search for a replacement for him,something that we need really,if we're going for a younger team.

I would like either Poli or maybe take Wilshere on loan,I know that would never happen though ;p.

Aquilani would have been great,maybe we can snatch him from Liverpool if Juventus decide not to buy him out.

We need Fossati to mature Asap.
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (acid911 @ Feb 11 2011, 05:45 PM) *
I'm afraid so. sad.gif Tottenham also suffer from their own set of injuries for the first leg, so it evens out somwhat.

Yep, Mr Overrated himself is struggling and is out of tomorrow's Premiership game. As is VDV. Neither are going to be fully fit for Tuesday, though I imagine they will both play.

Losing Pirlo isn't a massive, tragic loss, it's way too premature to say that's it in terms of our CL chances.

Edit: Wilshere on loan? We'd have more chance of getting Fabregas or Nasri.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Milan Are Brilliant @ Feb 11 2011, 11:52 PM) *
Yep, Mr Overrated himself is struggling and is out of tomorrow's Premiership game. As is VDV. Neither are going to be fully fit for Tuesday, though I imagine they will both play.


And Modric.

QUOTE (Milan Are Brilliant @ Feb 11 2011, 11:52 PM) *
Losing Pirlo isn't a massive, tragic loss, it's way too premature to say that's it in terms of our CL chances.


Pirlo no massive loss? Personally, I think he's our most important player after Ibrahimovic. His absence this last month has also been the reason why our game has deteriorated so tragically. The guy is to make his recovery in late March/early April, and I have absolutely no idea how we're going to fare without his services. One month is somewhat acceptable, but three? I really don't know.
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 11 2011, 10:08 PM) *
And Modric.

Pirlo no massive loss? Personally, I think he's our most important player after Ibrahimovic. His absence this last month has also been the reason why our game has deteriorated so tragically. The guy is to make his recovery in late March/early April, and I have absolutely no idea how we're going to fare without his services. One month is somewhat acceptable, but three? I really don't know.

Ah yeah, forgot he had his appendix out. 3 of their main players are going to be at the very least struggling then. That's the core of their team.

So, whilst we have injuries, so do they.

Well, we might have to cope without him soon if Man City open the cheque book, so it's time for someone else to step up now, whether that be a young talented Merkel or a more experienced/reliable Seedorf I don't really know.
il_diavolo_mtl
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 11 2011, 02:29 PM) *
Sure if we were playing Zilina or another team froma 5th rate league rolleyes.gif

Sorry but wanting Merkel to play in such an important tie in not a good idea. He's had 2 good games, where teams really left him a lot of space because theydidn't see him as a threat. Against Catania their coach chose the smart option, he put extr pressure on him and we saw Merkel crumble. Putting him agaisnt Tottenham is a disaster waiting to happen

come on i said it would be cool. but if the alternative is slowdorf, we won't stand a chance to counter their quick midfield
TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 11 2011, 05:15 PM) *
I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Likewise...

Pirlo to be out for 6 weeks? I thought he was better and available to the squad. No?


EDIT: Now saw this... http://www.football-italia.net/feb11v.html dry.gif

Fu*k!
X-Offender
QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Feb 12 2011, 12:35 AM) *
Likewise...

Pirlo to be out for 6 weeks? I thought he was better and available to the squad. No?


Have you not been reading the past two pages? He suffered another injury today, a grave one, and will be out for about 6 weeks.
TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 11 2011, 06:38 PM) *
Have you not been reading the past two pages? He suffered another injury today, a grave one, and will be out for about 6 weeks.

Didn't read the previous pages... my bad! wink.gif
Fillipo Simone
I still did not get why Silva would be a good captain at first place. But, let's move on, sorry for returning to it again.

About the Pirlo injury. It's a blow, but I don't understand why you guys bother thinking about Champions League matches at all?? I mean, to me it was a lost battle in the first place: many strong teams + totally inexperienced coach + midfield with many weak spots - get's me to the conclusion we won't win it or be a real contender. All our January moves also go in favor of this. So why worry or bother? Why depict it like a total apocalypse while we can still hope for the scudetto? Who cares really about Tottenham anyway...
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 12 2011, 01:32 AM) *
About the Pirlo injury. It's a blow, but I don't understand why you guys bother thinking about Champions League matches at all?? I mean, to me it was a lost battle in the first place: many strong teams + totally inexperienced coach + midfield with many weak spots - get's me to the conclusion we won't win it or be a real contender. All our January moves also go in favor of this. So why worry or bother? Why depict it like a total apocalypse while we can still hope for the scudetto? Who cares really about Tottenham anyway...


Sorry bro, I think you're only one who feels like that. I'm sure the team will try their best to go as far as possible in the Champions League. If we can't beat Tottenham, fair enough, it won't be the end of the world. But that doesn't mean we should totally ignore it. To me, that's completely irrational.
TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 11 2011, 07:52 PM) *
Sorry bro, I think you're only one who feels like that. I'm sure the team will try their best to go as far as possible in the Champions League. If we can't beat Tottenham, fair enough, it won't be the end of the world. But that doesn't mean we should totally ignore it. To me, that's completely irrational.

+1
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 12 2011, 12:52 AM) *
Sorry bro, I think you're only one who feels like that. I'm sure the team will try their best to go as far as possible in the Champions League. If we can't beat Tottenham, fair enough, it won't be the end of the world. But that doesn't mean we should totally ignore it. To me, that's completely irrational.

Well, you obviously don't understand me. I'm just telling you that we shouldn't break our heads with what formation should be able to make the most damage control, we should just give our best shot and die hard. But the real focus, the real thinking, should be devoted to Serie A stuff.
Milan Are Brilliant
The thing is since the early 90's we've never been judged that strong of a contender, not enough quality, too old, not enough depth in squad. There's always been stronger teams, yet we've found ways of winning more Champions Leagues. Remember 07? Rooney scoring in the last minute at OT (we were going out again), Van Buyten scoring in the last minute for Bayern at San Siro (we were going out again). To chuck it out of the window as a lost cause already seems odd. I'm not saying we are going to win it, but we've surely got to give ourselves the chance.

I think that's why people are talking about Tottenham and why they are bothered about it.
Jack Sparrow
I DO NOT want to lose to Tottenham. Not to that fat **** Redknapp. I'll lose to Barca, Man U, even Chelsea. Not to Spurs.

Damn it. Pirlo out. Ever since he was injured our lead at the top has been getting sliced and diced to bits. dry.gif Shite!!!
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 12 2011, 06:54 AM) *
I DO NOT want to lose to Tottenham. Not to that fat **** Redknapp.

Does Kurt have 2 accounts?!
acid911
QUOTE (Milan Are Brilliant @ Feb 12 2011, 12:03 PM) *
Does Kurt have 2 accounts?!

biggrin.gif laugh.gif biggrin.gif Good one!
Jack Sparrow
I'm not kurt. I'm the anti-kurt. Unlike kurt I'm actually awesome. kurt's a whiney little girl who dresses Barbie dolls up and plays with unicorns. I'm a f@ckin pirate.

And I'm in mourning. cry.gif

But seriously, can you even imagine the kind of crap that will be coming out of Redknapp's mouth if they do anything other than win at San Siro. About how glorious a team Spurs are, and how the press will come out how Milan were outclassed at their home turf and yada yada yada....
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