I haven't seen your ratings until now. Abate is capable of playing as RB. I disagree with your last line. He is a RB.

What makes you think that? The fact that he can't defend, doesn't know how to read a play or get back into position? Those are all the most important traits if you're playing anywhere in the back 4, sure he can run for hours on end but how is that going to help us when he's making terrible mistakes against a half decent team.

Abate is not a RB, he's a right midfielder. The fact that he's still played there after some of the mistakes he made last year is baffling to me. And in the long run it won't benifit either the team or him to be playing there, the more mistakes he makes in important moments the more his morale will drop, the worse he'll perform in any position he's played in.

I don't know what you have for players being played out of position, first Bonera, now Abate, you think both are more then good enough to play the position they are not meant to play. Both have caused us problems playing there, until we get a good RB I don't want to see anyone playing the position aside from Zambro if he's available

He can defend. I have seen him defending a lot of times. If RB isn't Abate's position, then he got no position at all.

now really...I mean...Eto'o also can defend, we've seen that one too. Does that mean he's a CB?


Abate plays not because he's a super-special talent, he plays because the alternative is a ageless Zambrotta. Again, it's very simple.

Who said anything about young players treatment? All I said, and I think han also agrees, that Abate is not meant to be a defending footballer, and further more, for the sake of his development it would be best to play him in the proper position.

But let's move on, this discussion is turning into a pointless one.

No. Abate is also not a CB. But I am sick of this discussion. IMO he is a right back, not as good as Zambrotta and Antonini, but he is an option for that position. But he better not play (ANYWHERE) in our first eleven in a tough game, because he is not that good player.

Which says alot, considering Zambrotta is a poor player.

Zambrotta can still defend better then most of the overhyped FBs coming out of South America these days. Sure his attacking play has gone down a lot and he can't put in a decent cross anymore, but he's still a great defensive FB.

I'm watching a football program right now, they are literally murdering Dinho with critics. And I don't blame them. The issue is very simple: Dinho is a burden on this team. You can blabber all you want about it, it's something undisputed and the more you try to deny it, the more it makes me chuckle.

Han, Ronaldinho really is playing awful this season. Stop finding excuses. Easy to say X-Offender hates him, so it's BS that he is awful. We play better without him, because you know why? He doesn't contribute, he simply doesn't work enough in the team. Robinho works harder, just like Zlatan, both contribute in defending and actually move, both aren't doing nothing like Dinho.

Truth be told, none of our full backs are worthy of a team like Milan. All are at best, 2nd of 3rd choice at big clubs. Good backups, and that's that. A team of this caliber needs at least one world class FB either on the right or left. We have had those in the pasts, but currently our flanks are one of our weak points, just like the keeper position - decent but not spectacular.

My main gripe with Ronaldinho is how he slows the game down. You look at the best wide players, like Ronaldo, Messi, etc. and they just ran at their full back and try to do it as fast as they can. When Ronnie gets the ball, he'll stop it and then allow the opposing team to get back before he decides to do anything, it's bloody frustrating.

QFT

Oh please just because a couple of pundits have an oppinion on the matter does not make it fact

The fact that you can't stand the guy just makes me shut out anything you have to say about him because it's simply not constructive.

Dinho has had 3 bad games, no one was complaining when he created all the goals against Auxerre and for the way he played against Lecce. The fact that the entire team seems to be off colour aside from a handful, yet you always pick on Dinho to criticise makes me chuckle

I always find myself defending the guy to you because I know that you don't like him. So I have this impulse. Even though I know he's not in form atm, but there are reasons as to why he's not performing well which you choose to ignore and say you would play, get this SEEDORF instead of him, just laughable.

Sorry but I can't take anything you say about Dinho seriously, because I know you're blinded by your dislike for the man


Doesn't Seedorf do the EXACT SAME THING?

How do you know that we play better without him? Fact is last season when he didn't play we were sh!t. The same thing would happen now. This is the same thing as the Pirlo argument that is always going around. We can talk all we want about how we'd better without him but at the first moment he gets injure and he can't play the entire team looks lost

Last match when he got subbed off, han.

Then stop replying to his Ronaldinho posts. Because now you did and you defend Ronaldinho at a moment he FULLY deserves criticism.

I hope we soon can play with Robinho, Pato and Ibrahimovic if Ronaldinho keeps 'playing' like this.

What makes you better than those pundits, may I ask? They are professional journalists, so as a matter of fact their opinions should count more than mine and yours put together. But that wasn't my point. My points was that so far Dinho has been unwatchable.

I'm blinded by my dislike? I don't dislike the man because he doesn't pay taxes or plays too much PlayStation, but because he's not that great of a player you make him out to be. He's a burden on this team, it's plain obvious to anyone. I was the first to praise his performance against Lecce, but stuff like that comes only once in 2-3 months from him, so what's the point in trying to rely on him really? In the end, he'll just let us down again.

Last season he played nearly every game because there were no alternatives, and Leo put his blind faith on the guy. But this season is different. We can play a variety of line-ups that do not count Dinho, thus either he will pull his head out of his butt and start playing football, or he'll just have to warm the bench like Oddo and Jankulovski.

I'm actually saying that he's not in form atm and not playing well But the fact that he can't see that there are factors playing into it as well is what bugs me.

And what's the point of this place if someone doesn't reply to another poster when he/she doesn't agree with what the other is posting? So if you say Abate is a RB, then everyone should not post even though there are many who completely disagree with what you're saying? Even when the topic has previously come up on a lot of other occasions?

I never said I was better. Please quote that for me. I said that those are oppinions of other people, it does not make them facts!

You have said on multiple occasions that you don't like him, and when I see you criticise him, the "Here we go again" bell rings in my head. Because there is 3/4 of this team who isn't playing well and you always single out Dinho. You say Dinho is a burden on this team, yet you want to play Seedorf instead of him, if that isn't bias I don't know what is!

Last season he played nearly every game because he was one of our best players. I can go into all that stats dribble but according to you that's BS...

No man, I don't single out Dinho only when the team plays bad. Last night we were not brilliant, but we didn't play badly either. Yet Dinho was one of our worst players on the field. And I think I made my point clear on why I would prefer Seedorf, so we could switch back to 4-3-1-2 again. Dinho doesn't only slow down our game, but he also "enforces" us to play his beloved 4-3-3. So in a way, his benefits translate into the team's detriments. That is not pretty.

You don't understand. There is a difference between disagreeing with someone and not taking someone's opinion seriously.

Factors? Oh come on. Ronaldinho is our bottleneck. At least others try and preform better.

Oh right Seedorf in behind the strikers solves that how? He slows down the game even more then Dnho, loses the ball more then him and he can't really play that position either, he couldn't play it in his twenties and he certainly can't play it now.

The reason we play the 4-3-3 is because Leo and now Allegri don't want to take the time to switch it. Dinho would be a far better solution then Seedorf playing behind the strikers. If you were talking about a VDV or Pastore, the I would agree with you completely. But Seedorf? Come on man!


I'm still disagreeing with him like for example the Seedorf issue. And it's not about not taking someone's oppinion seriously, it's about knowing how someone's oppinion is biased and you can't accept that

Who is that? Seedorf, jogging around for 90 minutes? Ronaldinho is one of our only 2 creative players that can actually produce the final ball. I can see his faults, but until we bring someone in who is better and can do what he does then I can't see your arguments being valid about him.

You talking about how creative etc he is, of what he is capable of it, but if he doesn't preform like he should you can be talented like Zeus but still others will be a better option!

Better is when you PREFORM better IMO. He doesn't do that right now!

He's had a total of 3 off games. And suddenly he's not good enough anymore. Yes his form is not good, but that's also connected with the ristricted position he's playing.

And again, who are you going to put in there that can actually do it? Robinho? Not an AM and can't play the position, you can say he's played there for Brazil all you want but that's not what he is and he won't do the job playing there. Ibra needs to be scoring goals, and Pato certainly isn't a creative player either. Seedorf? Please. He can barely keep up playing in the midfield, has adopted the habit of making some terrible passes and crosses as well. And likes to pass the ball backwards 99% of the time. There is a reason why the San Siro crowd usually get on his back faster then they get on anyone else's , he's a lathargic player, he can't be an AM.

Look at Ronaldinho when he got in behind Ibra and Robinho and that in itself supports what I'm saying.Link

That's a lot and surely if you notice he lack of really trying to contribute to the team like others do. And if Ronaldinho keeps doing this, then Seedorf indeed is a better option. And I fully disagree about Robinho. Robinho contributes more in defending than Ronaldinho, he works harder than Ronaldinho. Robinho comes closer to a midfielder than Ronaldinho who isn't a midfielder AT ALL.

But as long as Pato is out, I find it difficult to bench Ronaldinho, so I hope he preforms better. I would start him against Ajax, but hell I would sub him off damn early if he is doesn't contribute enough. Then I prefer even Primavera players like Verdi and Merkel. At least they will have a good work rate, and that is more important than talent.

Sell Ronaldinho buy Lentini

A lot of our players have been on a bad spell for months now and Dinho has 3 off games and it's a lot?

Robinho is a forward who does best when he starts from the left and cuts in. Seedorf helps the team? Against Catania for example when it was just Pirlo and Boateng trying to run back but Seedorf is jogging around near the opposition's box? How is that helping the team? I cna't believe we're really discussing this, Seedorf has been awful for nearly every game this season, yet he came on yesterday, made some bad passes and got 2 out them right and suddenly he needs to start ahead of Dinho, just boggles the mind!

Sure Robinho is currently tracking back some, we'll see how lon that lasts

Even when Pato is out, we still need someone to give that final ball, ad there is no one better at that currently on this team then Dinho. Seedorf's name shouldn't be anywhere near the starting 11. He should be a sub that can help the coach make a tactical re-shuffle.


And this is just inducing


ROCK ON!!!!

I know Dinho is better in that than anyone else! But that's not the point!

Don't point to other players, they work harder than Ronaldinho and are preforming better than he is. Seedorf helps the team more than Ronaldinho does. God! Everyone seems to suck in your eyes comparing to Ronaldinho even though he is currently the worst player when it comes to preforming while I know he is by far the most talented blaballalalalalalalalalaalaalalalalalalalaa but he need to SHOW it!!!!!

I'm giving you examples of Seedorf not working for the team and you keep repeating he does

I'm pointing out that every other player has been having trouble lately, yet it's only Dinho that get's to be the center of these little discussion with you and x-off. Saying that Ronaldinho never works for the team is again BS, as I've seen him track back on more then one occasion. And he usually commits fouls when he does it, but it's still being done, so saying that he doesn't is cr@p

Players that deserve real praise in my eyes are guys like Antonini, Nesta, Thiago and Boateng, these are the guys who really work their @sses of, the others usually show a relaxed attitude throughout an entire game, the only time they bother to really run is when they're desperate, this includes Dinho as well. To single him out is what is complete BS, which is something you do on a consistant basis, anytime he puts his foot wrong, it's Dinho this Dinho that, back to the tracking back debate blablablablablablablabla

Also watch this and tell me that Dinho is not the best option for playing the AM position, Anytime he got in behind Ribinho and Ibra, there was a dangerous situation created. Where as when he was stuck on the left he was confined to try and make that cross or lay the ball off because he was double marked

Yes, but I don't recall saying I want Seedorf in the team either.

Let's calm down a bit, shall we?

You didn't but Chu-lip and x-off say Seedorf is the better option. And who would you put in Dinho's place since you don't want either?

You know if we had a top AM, I would be all for it, but currently Dinho is our best option.

Don't give up, Han... I'm all with you

I never give up.

I'd rather have Pato, Robinho or Boateng on the wing to those 2.

We're not really talking about the wing but the position behind the strikers. Non of the players you mentioned can play that position

And really Boateng on the wing?

This. The moment Pato gets back, I want our attacking line to be Robinho-Ibra-Pato.

I just hope Dinho decides to leave next summer. That's the only hope we have for 1. getting rid of him and 2. signing someone good enough to be our trequartista behind Pato and Ibra.

I don't see Ronaldinho as an AM. Seedorf is capable of playing there, but we should play 4-3-3ish with Robinho, Zlatan and Pato. At least Robinho contributes in defending (tracks back) and moves a lot, so he gives us some balance. Seedorf I would use as alternative for Pirlo. I don't like playing both.

Boateng should play in midfield indeed.

I agree there, that we need someone better in order to drop the 4-3-3 completely. Problem is, who are we going to bring in? Pastore? Out of the question, we lost a great opportunity for VDV this summer. Not many other names come to mind when I'm thinking about a top class AM

4-3-3 though wastes Pato big time, especially without Dinho who's usually the one that slips him in when he's running in from the wing...

I believe Ronnie is more of an AM then he is a winger. I posted that vid above to show how he's more effective when he slips in behind the front 2, where as on the wing he's usually constricted to trying to play that cross or trying to constalty beat 2 players

I agree, we should not play 4-3-3, Pato should not be a winger. I called it 4-3-3ish because I don't want a 4-3-3. I want this:


edit: though, Gattuso instead of Flamini as it looks now... when I made this I was willing to give Flamini a chance, but it seems like Gattuso is grabbing his chance. Just whoever is our best DM.

That makes more sense, but still, I can't see anyone that can produce that killer ball in that line-up.

Maybe moving Pirlo would be an option, but Pirlo is someone who likes to spread play with his passes and control tempo rather then providing those little passes around the box that can split a defense wide open.

There you have Robinho and Pato who are both dribblers, who like to operate in wide spaces, Ibra is the only one who can create that little something extra, but I want him to be the one furthest to goal rather then trying to slip in his teammates

I don't see a problem in Zlatan being the one creating things since we got Pato as an awesome goalscoring striker.

Imo we need both Zlatan and Dinho to hit at least 20 goals each in a season to win the league. Zlatan is made for goalscoring not trying to provide for others, imo he needs to be the players nearest to goal.

Pato should be nearest the goal. We need both during the season, but if all 4 are fit, we don't necessary need both. If Pato is out, then Ibrahimovic should indeed be the one nearest the goal, and then we indeed need Ronaldinho.

Pato is better at rinnging with the ball from deep. I still don't see him as a pure CF

Robinho can. Though I think it's more important trying to play as a compact team, than winning games by sudden assists and through balls. I think that's more of a problem than a bonus for us right now. Our players just give the ball to Dinho or Pirlo and hope they can deliver a killer ball for our strikers. That's a lazy way of trying to win a game. Playing with a more rapid and robust line-up we can overcome such necessities. With Gattuso, Seedorf and Dinho out, and with Flamini, Boateng and Robinho in we can achieve that. I just hope Allegri isn't dense enough to realize it.

+1

Btw. why is Amelia in the line-up?


This is pure speculation. Did Boateng provide any assist or engaged a really attack? I don't think does are the right players for your idea. Further more, I think we don't have them.

I think they are. Boateng and Flamini bring dynamism and strength, and we can't argue on that, whilst Robinho brings speed and quality. He probably doesn't have the same field of vision that Dinho does, but nevertheless he's got the skills for being a furnisher of balls for our strikers and act as the link between attack and midfield.

dinho is def leaving come summer. I can assure you of that.


We didn't buy robinho so we could play fantastic 4. We bought him because it was an opportune moment to get him on a discount from city. 18m is a lot but when you look at the fact that robinho was also willing to take a massive pay cut, it worked out. It saves us the trouble of going wtf do we do now next year when ronaldinho goes to MLS.


Players whose contracts end next season:

Ronaldinho
Seedorf
Nesta
Amelia (end of loan)
Roma
Jankulovski
Montelongo (end of loan)
Inzaghi
Ibrahimovic (end of loan)
Boateng (end of co-own)
Ambrosini
Pirlo


Who would you resign?