I haven't seen your ratings until now. Abate is capable of playing as RB. I disagree with your last line. He is a RB.

What makes you think that? The fact that he can't defend, doesn't know how to read a play or get back into position? Those are all the most important traits if you're playing anywhere in the back 4, sure he can run for hours on end but how is that going to help us when he's making terrible mistakes against a half decent team.

Abate is not a RB, he's a right midfielder. The fact that he's still played there after some of the mistakes he made last year is baffling to me. And in the long run it won't benifit either the team or him to be playing there, the more mistakes he makes in important moments the more his morale will drop, the worse he'll perform in any position he's played in.

I don't know what you have for players being played out of position, first Bonera, now Abate, you think both are more then good enough to play the position they are not meant to play. Both have caused us problems playing there, until we get a good RB I don't want to see anyone playing the position aside from Zambro if he's available

He can defend. I have seen him defending a lot of times. If RB isn't Abate's position, then he got no position at all.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) now really...I mean...Eto'o also can defend, we've seen that one too. Does that mean he's a CB?


Abate plays not because he's a super-special talent, he plays because the alternative is a ageless Zambrotta. Again, it's very simple.

Who said anything about young players treatment? All I said, and I think han also agrees, that Abate is not meant to be a defending footballer, and further more, for the sake of his development it would be best to play him in the proper position.

But let's move on, this discussion is turning into a pointless one.

No. Abate is also not a CB. But I am sick of this discussion. IMO he is a right back, not as good as Zambrotta and Antonini, but he is an option for that position. But he better not play (ANYWHERE) in our first eleven in a tough game, because he is not that good player.

Which says alot, considering Zambrotta is a poor player.

Zambrotta can still defend better then most of the overhyped FBs coming out of South America these days. Sure his attacking play has gone down a lot and he can't put in a decent cross anymore, but he's still a great defensive FB.

I'm watching a football program right now, they are literally murdering Dinho with critics. And I don't blame them. The issue is very simple: Dinho is a burden on this team. You can blabber all you want about it, it's something undisputed and the more you try to deny it, the more it makes me chuckle.

Han, Ronaldinho really is playing awful this season. Stop finding excuses. Easy to say X-Offender hates him, so it's BS that he is awful. We play better without him, because you know why? He doesn't contribute, he simply doesn't work enough in the team. Robinho works harder, just like Zlatan, both contribute in defending and actually move, both aren't doing nothing like Dinho.

This post has been edited by CHU-LIP: Sep 26 2010, 04:36 PM

Truth be told, none of our full backs are worthy of a team like Milan. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) All are at best, 2nd of 3rd choice at big clubs. Good backups, and that's that. A team of this caliber needs at least one world class FB either on the right or left. We have had those in the pasts, but currently our flanks are one of our weak points, just like the keeper position - decent but not spectacular.

My main gripe with Ronaldinho is how he slows the game down. You look at the best wide players, like Ronaldo, Messi, etc. and they just ran at their full back and try to do it as fast as they can. When Ronnie gets the ball, he'll stop it and then allow the opposing team to get back before he decides to do anything, it's bloody frustrating.

QFT

Oh please just because a couple of pundits have an oppinion on the matter does not make it fact (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

The fact that you can't stand the guy just makes me shut out anything you have to say about him because it's simply not constructive.

Dinho has had 3 bad games, no one was complaining when he created all the goals against Auxerre and for the way he played against Lecce. The fact that the entire team seems to be off colour aside from a handful, yet you always pick on Dinho to criticise makes me chuckle (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I always find myself defending the guy to you because I know that you don't like him. So I have this impulse. Even though I know he's not in form atm, but there are reasons as to why he's not performing well which you choose to ignore and say you would play, get this SEEDORF instead of him, just laughable.

Sorry but I can't take anything you say about Dinho seriously, because I know you're blinded by your dislike for the man


Doesn't Seedorf do the EXACT SAME THING? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

How do you know that we play better without him? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Fact is last season when he didn't play we were sh!t. The same thing would happen now. This is the same thing as the Pirlo argument that is always going around. We can talk all we want about how we'd better without him but at the first moment he gets injure and he can't play the entire team looks lost

Last match when he got subbed off, han.

Then stop replying to his Ronaldinho posts. Because now you did and you defend Ronaldinho at a moment he FULLY deserves criticism.

I hope we soon can play with Robinho, Pato and Ibrahimovic if Ronaldinho keeps 'playing' like this.