we are so sad




Can anyone see [not wish/not hope/not think... SEE!] Carlo coaching Milan next season?

on a similar pointless comparission, in a synchronized swimming group if one person is bellow the others skill-wise but all the others are very good, the lesser human being need'nt worry too much and can focus at the task at hand...or foot.

he is very solid working in the middle as a last line of resort, he struggles when ppl like ambrosini lets his man run by him towards Senderos who is without backup. He is being asked to (along with the other fullbacks) cover multiple mids/AM/Strickers whereas usually mids cycle back/back-check, which isn't the case this year.

**** you. Then again, I wouldn't have expected any different from this dirtsheet.

In synchronised swimming the whole point is for everyone to be flawless and the same, so you have just contradicted yourself in sawing one person can be weaker.

Work rate dosent mean anything if the player has no ability. Sissoko is a great athelete. Does that automatically make him a great footballer? no.

Certainly!

I hope you are joking.

Carlo is out of ideas, it's the end for him @ Milan.
I really hope we find a great coach to replace him.

Fucking hell, you lot are as bad as Villa fans at times. One bad result in a competition that you know Milan didn't exaclty prioritise on and it's the end of the World.

I think changes do need to be made in the summer, certainly, but while Inter may have yet more tough ties in Europe, Milan can focus 100% on the league. Who knows, they may have to crawl to the finishing line like last season, it could be worse if they're still in Europe.

Yeah we have limits as fans... I'm not gonna just blindly support and say forza milan if were doing this bad. I'm still a fan of the emblem, of the colours of the club.


I'm not a fan of the coach, silvio, galliani or any management. I'm not a fan of the players.


I say we should just keep kaka and pato and put everyone else for sale because this is ridiculous. I welcome the arabs at least they wont go around making stupid signings like emerson.

I dont care anymore that silvio has made milan what it is today, i dont care that carlo has won 2 CL with us, i dont even care that we are a family like club with values.

We are a football club and business first most. Winning is our objective and that is how we are able to survive as a company.

This sh*t that were seeing now isn't a top team. Its utter and pure trash. Yes i'm still a fan but no i'm not gonna sit back and hold my tongue because i've waited patiently. I haven't even said a word until today. I still had hope in this management/team/coach from the summer where we made our signings. That patience has now run out. Things need to be changed.

Our arrogance needs to be thrown away. Were too buys living in the days of van basten to realise how deep in sh*t this club is. F*ck pier silvio, i want arabs taking over. Then i'll know that we'll be able to compete with werder bremen at least.


@DST: The man you worship is left to retire in a trophyless season, getting whistled at by angry fans, and made to look like a fool in the defence because of his team mates.


5 years ago when i became a fan of milan, i did not think milan would ever fall this far.



All i gotta say is f*ck you silvio, f*ck you galliani, and especially f*ck you carlo. For the first time in my life you made me ashamed to represent these colours.

Blue, with all due respect, you've done little BUT complain for the last couple of years. (Not counting the fanboying of Mourinho).

Don't think for a moment that anyone is happy about the season (though it's an improvement over last year) or about today's performance (there's nothing to defend). That said, the sorts of things you're calling for - selling everyone but Kaka and Pato, selling the entire club to someone willing to throw money around, etc - are in honesty not realistic. I DO think there will be changes, perhaps some we won't expect, but nothing so terribly drastic as you're calling for.

I'm not surprised at another nasty crack about the van basten days - presumably that was directed at me - but perhaps because I'm not 15, I've got a little perspective on things. No club is going to be on the top ALL THE TIME. Just isn't going to happen. Milan's been a lot worse than what you've seen this season or the last and they have come back. This is where patience comes in. That's something difficult in today's society where everything is instant-gratification-I-want-it-right-now.

I'm also going to take issue with your using (no offense intended to Kurt or Villa as they're an exception to this) the English model as the right way to go in football. I sincerely don't think it is. Throwing wild money around, inflating the value of players while doing precious little to foster the youth in your own country, making insane deals with the television companies and banks, having foreign owners come in and buy the clubs but leverage them so that (as with Manchester United and Liverpool) they pretty much HAVE TO make it deep in to teh CL just to afford their loan payments. To a certain extent, I think that the EPL has become more of an entertainment vehicle than a sport.

Thank you for your opinion but I have been at this forum longer than you have and i am clear of the rules and I am in my right to complain.

I haven't complained about this team since the summer transfer when, r7, told me to remain patient. I did rightly. I even made a claim in that bet that milan was going to finish on top because i truly believed it. That crack at van basten was not directed at you, but every milan fan in the world who thinks like that. As much as you like to believe it, i dont have any beef or problems with you or what you state. I may joke from time to time, but i never have the intention of insulting you when i make a statement. If what say however is justifyable by the circumstance, then i will not hold back. Like now...moving on...

Realistic or not about arabs taking over; it is still a possiblity and if it would make us a better team than i'm all for it. How is it possible that fiorentina and genoa can spend more than us when our president is the richest man in italy. If were a top club lets act like a top club.

Regarding the way english football is proceeding that is your opinion. I look at the facts. They are the league that has the most money, contains the most fans world wide, attracts the widest attention, and draws in most of the big players. Whether or not man u or liverpool has to make champions league every season is not my concern. I'm talking about the league as a whole.

Furthermore, yes i live in today's society where success is demanded every single season from top clubs. Not over a course of 5 years. If milan are to consider themselves a top team, we must be fighting for first place every season and be in the champions league. That is what barcelona/madrid do. That is what manchester/liverpool do, that is what inter/juve do. Why are we different! Why must we always fight for one objective when all other big clubs are able to fight on all fronts. I thought we were the great milan, greatest team of the last 20 years!

I"m sorry but my patience has run out. Like I said, in the last 5 years that i have started supporting milan, i have never been so asahmed as a supporter.


I can only wonder how the tifosi feel....

It would seem then that we have a difference of opinion.

I still contend that your desires are unrealistic and perhaps based on lack of experience and/or information. You look at facts filtered through the English-language media which, let's face it, is heavily biased toward the English league. You assume that you're absolutely right, yet you're not placing the EPL or the way it's run in the current economy or in the context of world football and what's going on and what's may perhaps be best for the sport as a whole.

Sure, I'd love to see Milan win the league every season and make it to the CL finals, but that just doesn't happen. Or rather it only did in the late 80s and early 90s and I'm realistic enough to realize that may not happen every year. To be honest, I'd be content if not thrilled with a top 3 finish. I also believe that as disappointing as it may seem at the moment, the team is doing better this year than last. It's not as drastic a change as we'd like but it's at least a step in the right direction. And yes, I do agree that changes need to be made but I think the things you're suggesting are unrealistic and that if they did happen they'd change the club beyond recognition.

As for complaining, I wasn't the one who put up a poll about firing the coach at the end of last season.

As for the cracks, you've made more than enough old jokes and they weren't funny or appreciated the first time.

Thats your opinion and i respect it. Beyond that we have two similar ideas of football. You see it mainly as a sport. I see it mainly as a worldwide business. Lets leave it at that.

Indeed. And I think it's a very sad thing that people see football as a business so yeah, best to leave it at that.

But, I will not remain silent. So if you by any way get offended by the things I write then please just ignore my posts.



I'm furious to the max.


Also I was wondering if you could translate the berlu article on milannews.it I think everyone on the forum would greatly appreciate it if you could.

yes because all synchronized swimmers (and to be more to the point) football players are all equally as good......On mars!

** Let's just say Work rate, as you suggested, gives you athleticism. While i will not waste time on and tie hard work to being very athletic. I Will say that i believe that Sissoko is a great player for Juve and i will also say that hard work will win you ALOT more games then it wont.

Whoopsie doo...like I din't see the past 7 pages coming.

Who would have thought kurtiepoo would be the lone defender of the club's performance. "You guys are worse than Villa fans..."...must rank right up there with his 'mediocre club like Villa' quote.

Anyway...this is a major disappointment. So it seems Carlo has clearly failed in his objectives this season. He knows it as well, from his press conference. I reckon he's a dead man walking. Now the question is whether they'll let him play out his contract or not. I think it will depend to a large extent on how we perform in the league. Second or third place, and he might be allowed to go that one more season.

And to add to the more terrific news.... Seedorf's joined the injury list as well.

So this makes, Seedorf, Nesta, Gattusso, Kaka, Ronaldinho, Borriello. Cool..so is there anyone else left, who's yet to be out with injury? I guess Abbiati can always suffer a concussion, and Dida injure himself during warmup.

What a f@cked up season...

indeed this season was one to forget for milan fans, hopefully change can come to the team in ANY form that wold Better our chances.

For starters fire the medical staff...

Or maybe fire at them.

If this keeps up we won't have any players left.

why cant carlo get injured...

I like it how you want to make it sound that injuries are the biggest reason why we're here you're one of a kind, JACK.

I earlier asked you a question, you must have missed it: do you still think lacking a big guy/target man is our biggest problem or it's the defense? (we couldn't hold onto a 2-goal lead last night. yet another night in which the attack did its job, while the defense screwed it up)


PS. I think injuries are not our foremost problem because there are games in this very season where we had almost everyone available [Nesta being the only exception - a mgmt fault here for not bringing a worthy replacement for him when they knew he's injury prone and could be out for the whole season] yet we dropped points after points. even when we hadn't any major injury worries we managed to screw up. I don't think you need me to name those games.

Too often, it's also been the other way around. I've seen matches aplenty in which our defense is top notch while the offense couldn't hit an iceberg if they were steering the Titanic.

*SIGH* Not my intention but MONSTER POST ALERT....don't read..get yourself a life...


I didn't mean it that way. The post says 'To add to the more terrific...'...which means a bad situation just got worse.

I'm sorry, I didn't see your question. I skipped pages. Usually when we perform badly, I just read the last couple of pages, when the tempers have died down a bit.

I don't know what gave you the idea that I felt our defence was fine as is. When I put the target man theory forward, I was just looking to enhance your solution. You seem to have taken it as another blind management supporting excuse.

Yes, the defence hasn't been the best. But honestly against a team like Lecce, I don't expect it to be too much for the forwards to score a couple of goals more. But they can't, coz the defence is packed with 6-7 people around the box. In which case my target man idea would have eased things a lot. Yes, perhaps a stronger defence would have not conceded from a counter attack or a fluke set-piece. Agreed.

It was then I suggested get another target man. Since the way things are it is difficult to set a team up to concede one goal less, let's set it up to score one goal more. And there were more target men available than CBs at Jan. Also it's easier to get a average-above average target man (for teams like Lecce to provide work/distraction for the defenders), than to get a top class CB (You have to be top class to beat a fast counter, no matter who your opposition is!). This was my logic. I didn't mean to say your solution was wrong. Just not feasible in the current state. You took it in the former sense. I didn't bother to clarify. Hence the misunderstanding. Done with this topic?

*********END TALK WITH ZD*********************************************

The way I see it, there are two ways to look at things (vis-a-vis) the club:

1. Either adopt the 'fire-the-management', 'retire-all-old-players', 'sell-all-non-superstars' as the three cornerstones to all problems facing the club. And you CANNOT deny that is the option most favoured here. It parallels how in a war, you would say 'Buy bigger guns', 'Build bigger bombs', 'Send in more men and ammo' as the best solution to winning a war.Neither are sustainable. Ask Chelsea or @the risk of going political and sounding anti-west...ask the US Army in Iraq.

2. Accept certain limitationsand work within them. Coming back to the defence. Nesta's injury was unforeseen. Even so replacing Nesta with a superstar is just not feasible. Especially in the January window. Financially, it was too steep. And even otherwise no one wanted to sell. Not in January. In such a case what most people prefer to do was harp on about how Galliani had to be fired, and we should spend solid cash and land Mr. X. While we're at it, let's have a discussion on how many posts in the forumit would take before the sun started rising in the west??

As an internet forum, we're a bunch of fans discussing the team. For the past year and a half (or more?) 70% of the 'discussion' goes:

Our team played like cr@p: Fire Carlo, fire Seedorf, fire Favalli, fire Inzaghi, fire urm....everyone who's not young

Our team's got too much injuries: Fire Galliani, he didn't bring depth, fire Carlo he can't use what he's got!

Not enough cash due to recession: Fire Silvio he isn't interested in the club, Fire Carlo just coz, Fire Galliani, Fire some players to free the wage bill.

Tell me...has anything constructive been discussed besides this? On..and..on and on like a broken record. It's why R7 is semi-retired. It's why Nova's done. It's why misha's absent. They didn't STOP being fans. They stopped being forum members. Really how many posts do you think you'll make before the board hears you? If you have a number do tell us 'dreamy optimists'...we'll wait silently. Honestly if the board do realise they need to <insert your fav.solution here>, do you think it was coz they dropped by the forum for a visit. 20 years man...20 years they've run the club. They DO KNOW MORE than anybody else HERE. If something is not done, it's for a reason. Most probably a cost vs benefit analysis.

There was a time when I joined, when discussions were fun. Like me, Pana and han having an argument(of course by the new standards it's nothing!) about whether Pirlo could play on the right side of a 4-3-1-2. Or on whether Gila (in his initial days) could be trained into an SS like Del Piero. On whether it would be a good idea, to shift Cafu up, so it's a 3-4-1-2...with Kala, Nesta and Paolo at the back.

When we discussed transfers, it wasn't :Buy Messi!!!!! It was more along the lines of:

1. Who do we need and why?
2. Who are the board looking at to fill that position?
3. Is there someone who can play that role better?
4. Does he fill in that position better for the same budget as the board's target?

While today...we need a target man. Yup Zigic (him again, sorry obsessed ) is available for 10 mill. But Drogba/Amauri/Benzema is twice as good though he costs four times as much. F@ck the board for going after Zigic. They're just retards who don't realise this is the way football is now!!!

Yup...that's the new MF discussion path. At least to me.

The business of the clubs is NOT winning trophies alone. The business of the club, like with all other businesses is showing a proper balanced sheet. Before the cash explosion, it was quite possible to do both. In the early 90s for instance. Things have changed. For me the stability is just as important.

Oh btw...LMAO at all the stop supporting Milan comments. That was hilarious!! Good riddance I'd say!

not looking forward to being torn apart in school today!

I have mixed emotions after the match yesterday, feelings of anger and sadness and a feeling of as if that loss was a 'weight off our shoulders'.

So Carlo takes the blame. Fair enough for that game but in reality it is the whole management's fault, including signor shiny egghead, in fact quite a lot of fault is on that guy!

I say give Carlo one last year for him to do what we know he can do but which he cba to do at this moment in time. Next year, he'll have Antonini & co at his disposal, and as someone said earlier on in the year, Carlo should play Janku at LM to give other people a chance like Antonini.

If we see what MourinhNO is doing at the moment, he is playing the quite surprisingly solid Santon at LB. Carlo should follow his example because it seems that at Milan, there is a corrupt family - Berlu wants his 'favorites' played every game, and Carlo wants his too. So where does this leave the yongsters?

Anyways, I will always be a Milanista at heart whatever happens - it really does seem that I cannot watch another team play or even play with another team except Milan on PES!

FORZA MILAN!

I'm not done yet

I'm glad you mentioned Lecce of all the teams - the game we drew 1-1. remember who was our striker that night?...

Fishdoll applauds the second part of Jack's monster post above and gives him the key to the rum cabinet. Very nicely stated.

"Milanista Forever"
first half: milan 2-0 werder bremen
second half: milan 2-2 werder bremen
Q: How do I feel?
A: completely furious.
Q: Y?
A: Is this a new version of 2005 3-0 up first half then a comeback? Milan are the greatest team to ever happen so why is it that a team like werder bremen can have a comeback? Its because they had heart. We had experience and skill and almost everything else compared to them however, they had more heart. They fought until the last minute. They even wanted to score a third. We were up 2-0 that doesn't mean we won the game, right? We should have been merciless and kept possession and scored more and obviously not have conceded a single goal. Are any of the werder bremen players well known? NO!!! and yet they are able to beat a the greatest team alive that has many great players. Ok injuries may have been a problem BUT if we are missing these players that doesn't mean that our team has become weaker. All it means to me is that we are missing players. Against caliagri we were missing players however we dominated and won the match. Players like kaka, gattuso, pato, and so on can make a difference but we can't always rely on them. It seems to me that if carlo doesnt have his superstars he is in trouble. Which is a dissappointment because a team like milan is far too great to have a coach who has to rely on his superstars. Don't get me wrong Carlo is good however, he can f@ck it up sometimes by doing silly things. For example aginst cagliari who took out Inzaghi (our only striker) and replaced him with ambrosini, now i am no coach but lets say for any reason
cag. score would we then have a striker to score? But hey what do i know right? I guess all i can say is that we are AC MILAN and no matter what we still are the greatest club but let's not mess it up with a silly coach.
FORZA MILAN!!! I am a milanista and a rossoneri til i die!!!
P.S. poor PATO F@ckin amazing goal he is the new R9. He was the midfield and the offence in the last game. Our team is always gr8 and our future is always bright and right now it is amazing, Y? because we are AC MILAN!!!

^^^That has to be the best balanced Carlo bashing post I've seen. You'll find no argument from me on your sentiments.

@Zeddie: You still insist doggedly on misinterpreting what I said. I DID NOT say our defence was fine. I said it would have been difficult to reinforce the defence in January.

Would a top class CB be better than getting another target man. YES. Because a CB can be helpful against all teams, while a target man wouldn't be. Not against the quality opposition, where our holes in the defence would be exposed.

I already said I agreed with you, and I already said why I brought up the target man viewpoint. I still don't get what you want me to say?

In summer definitely if we get nothing else, we should get a top CB. In January, there would have been no point, we would have gotten a Senderos level player at the most.

Hmm...the bashing is bad. But believe me: I know much worse as I'm a Bochum fan. Only tough people become Bochum fans. Plus, for the fans in Bochum moaning is like a sport. I even get the impression many people only go to the games to become furious....well, the VFL gives them their dose.
So, albeit I don't agree with all the homoerotic "f@ck this guy and than f@ck that one" I'm pretty much used to it...

And if anyone says there's a limit on being a fan. I believe there shouldn't be one. What do they sometimes say? "And when the earth stops turning we'll walk on together!"

Plus, of course last night was a disaster and there are no excuses but Bremen are not any Bundesliga team. They've been the second most successful German team of the past ten years next to Bayern. And they've always done well against big teams. They won against Chelsea, Real, Juve and Inter in the past 3 years I believe. And although they've recently had many problems in the Bundesliga they still have an experienced squad. That said...they Christian "Fanta" Vander between the posts last night....the worst GK I've ever seen playing...he sucks badly and Bremen has never before won a match when he played...

I know their history Palma, and while watching the 2nd half display I knew it inside that we'll lose this match. It was a matter of time. Because I missed the first half, and in the second half I never got a steady camera on Bremen's keeper. That's one way to gauge where the game is going, who's attacking, which team is having majority possession. Milan didn't have one solid possession longer than 20 seconds. So much for Europe's best midfield.

Regardless, going out to Werder Bremen when you are 2-0 up at home simply isn't acceptable. More so when you consider they are ranked 11th in Bundesliga this season, with only winning 7 out of 21 games. I don't care what anyone says, there simply is no defending this. Period.

i even knew from the middle 1st half it would be a really hard match,
then in 2nd our players got their limit,
no matter how push they pressed bremen it always seem bremen still had the possession,
plus our very bad passing play...

i still don't understand why bremen ranked 11th in Bundesliga considering last match, or we just that bad..
s**t happens

Someone want to open up the Samp match thread? I would but we never win threads I open so...

We had less than 38% possession. Totally unacceptable.


I'll do it.

For those who dont understand what a limit on being a fan is let me explain:


The club, emblem, colours, jersey, stadium atmosphere; I will always hold close to my heart. For me its a sense of pride to be a fan of a team who holds such respect from every top team and "was" feared as an elite of my time.


My patience has run out with carlo, and his stupid substiutions, ignorance towards our own youth and foreign youth players, and style of play which cost us more games than they should; with the management signing useless players(emerson/brocchi/senderos etc...), eventhough we could have signed youth players and maybe had a superstar develop, if they could work with coach on his policy; with silvio not providing like he should when he is responsible for the club.



I am a fan of this club, but i am not a fan of this management, coach or team. Thats why I said i'm ashamed for the first time in my life to wear these colours because of what this coach and players have made it represent, a monkey circus show.

Oh...relax...more such opportunities to be ashamed will come your way. Such is life and football. You just happened to become a fan right at the peak of Milan's dominance. It was always going to be downhill from there. Now I suggest you wait another 2-3 years.

All of us 'oldies' did. So excuse us, if we're not exactly running around saying, 'The sky is falling!'. Such cycles are to be expected. And no matter how much you claim it was coming and could have been avoided it will still come. Manchester spent time in the wilderness. So has Chelsea. So IS Arsenal. So has Inter. So will Milan.

If you still can't get over it, I have one word for you -'Newcastle!'

STFU kurt...before I get very angry.

LOLLLLL, sorry jack. Really sorry man but i've been in this patience boat for 3 years now. I wont post as much though because negativity all in all is not needed. So i'm done complaining about this issue because i know the tifosi will take care of it.

So hows life on the seas... Did you find anything interesting?

Sorry i said i wouldn't post, I meant i wouldn't comment. I'll still post news regarding this issue:

Yeah...did you know that brandy heated with apple juice, a twist of ginger and some cloves is great for a sore throat and/or a cold??!!

And i used to be such a sucker for Captain Morgan.

ohhh dont even mention that drink. I despise it to no ends. CM= throw up.

I'm not doggedly insisting on anything! why you think I'm being an @sshole! this is a healthy technical discussion. if you're not in the mood, just say so. gee whiz!

Ecellent start.

Sorry I wasn't there yesterday with you guys. But judging from the outcome, maybe we all made profit out of my absence...

sorry

DAMMIT JEFRI WHY DID YOU PREDICT WE WiN!!! comon man if only you said we would have gotten owned 6-0 by diego double hattrick we would have gone through

my first and last experience with captain was drinking 3/4 of a bottle great evening, cant say the same about that morning especially cuz i had to get up at 6:00 pm

Haha. For me, there are two Evil Alcohols Of Doom. One is a Danish schnapps called Akvavit and the other is Jagermeister. I had...unfortunate...instances with both while at high school in Denmark.

To this day, I can't smell either without being nauseated.

And during those three years you've had a Champions League, a UEFA Super Cup and a World Club Cup to celebrate.
Iv'e now been through 3 seasons during which my club hasn't won anything and unless we get a great deal more lucky than we deserve to be we won't win sh*t this year either.

Off topic, but after seeing a commercial on ESPN, I have to ask: Do we really need yet ANOTHER Street Fighter game??

Well... it's only Street Fighter IV... yeah there have been some hundreds editions of previous games... but nothing compared to the Mega Man series... Capcom really love their sequels!

PS And yet only two Strider games...

Trying to shift the convo away from Dida's horror show I see..

P.S. This is a joke.