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Darunia
No Kaka or Ronaldinho.. but good to see Sheva and Pato back in the squad. Does this mean we'll finally see 4-3-1-2? biggrin.gif

Abbiati
Zambrotta Bonera Maldini Jankulovski
Beckham Pirlo Flamini
Seedorf
Inzaghi Pato
Fillipo Simone
Does the dozer thing start again?
Jack Sparrow
I doubt the 4-3-3. Putting all our fit strikers on at once to play 90 minutes? I think the 4-3-1-2.

Or 4-4-2 with Janku in mid.
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 25 2009, 06:50 PM) *
Does the dozer thing start again?

Apperantly laugh.gif laugh.gif

I had forgotten about the dozer droolsmiley.gif
Zed.D
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 25 2009, 09:18 PM) *
So I guess we will probable either see a 4-3-1-2 with Seedorf behind Pato-Pippo/Sheva or a 4-3-3 sort of setup with Sheva and Pato Supporting Pippo.


Never gonna happen wink.gif biggrin.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 25 2009, 06:50 PM) *
I doubt the 4-3-3. Putting all our fit strikers on at once to play 90 minutes? I think the 4-3-1-2.

Or 4-4-2 with Janku in mid.

He's done it before... although we did have Dinho on the bench

Anyway, hopefully it won't be a flat 4-4-2, since we really struggle when we play that system because we don't have any wingers

4-3-1-2 would be the safest option imo
han2503
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Feb 25 2009, 06:56 PM) *
Never gonna happen wink.gif biggrin.gif

He used it against Braga in the San Siro a couple months ago...
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 25 2009, 06:00 PM) *
He used it against Braga in the San Siro a couple months ago...

yea he did at that time 4-3-3 floped but then so many time s mas tree has floped as well
il_diavolo_mtl
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Feb 25 2009, 01:31 PM) *
yea he did at that time 4-3-3 floped but then so many time s mas tree has floped as well

you are wrong we are third in serie A with players that i believe are past their prime. Milan's christmas tree is the reason we are cited as having one of the best counter-attacks in europe.
Suggesting a complete experiment in a cup tournament, is welll................oh nvm i just read your profile name ... tongue.gif
Habitant
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Feb 25 2009, 07:30 PM) *
you are wrong we are third in serie A with players that i believe are past their prime. Milan's christmas tree is the reason we are cited as having one of the best counter-attacks in europe.
Suggesting a complete experiment in a cup tournament, is welll................oh nvm i just read your profile name ... tongue.gif

still that against lecce isnt exactly effective.
Rivaldo
No Kaka....no Dinho....we should play with two strikers Pato-Pippo I Think.
Zed.D
After watching CL games for two nights, here we are again, the UEFA Cup puke.gif what pissed me off is that this was our best chance to win the league while we were away from the CL and we couldn't do it for whatever reason. god knows how many years will pass till we see the tricolori on our shirts again.
elcordobez
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Feb 26 2009, 09:56 AM) *
After watching CL games for two nights, here we are again, the UEFA Cup puke.gif what pissed me off is that this was our best chance to win the league while we were away from the CL and we couldn't do it for whatever reason. god knows how many years will pass till we see the tricolori on our shirts again.


Yeh i had a bit of nostalgia watching the CL ties,i watched Man U v Inter and Juve v Chelsea and i'm thinking Milan can play better than that.
We've only got a few more months to wait before everything happens,end of season,transfer window and then Champions League.

I'm actually glad Kaka and R80 are sitting this one out,i'd rather have them rested properly and fully recovered from their injuries than rush them back.This is a somewhat important game but we've got the players to give us a result.

I reckon xmas tree would suit a game like this,although slim we do have the advantage and i can't see Carlo going with 2 strikers.

MizNelson
We may not have the horses to win the Scudetto this season, but we can certainly stay in the top four.
Ry4n
My prediction is 3-0 with Pippo scoring two and Pato scoring one !!!

FORZA MILAN !!!!!!!!!
Jack Sparrow
We need jefri's prediction to win this one.

Jef? We're gonna lose this one 4-0 with a Diego hatrick and a Senderos own goal right?
Bluesummers
lol jeffrie is godlike with his predictions.
il_diavolo_mtl
QUOTE (Habitant @ Feb 25 2009, 04:13 PM) *
still that against lecce isnt exactly effective.

I doubt the flaw in the system is Lecce'esque ball movement lol tongue.gif
the truth is if a big team can't win a game against a minnow more times then not they are usually a lot less motivated then the smaller team. I.E Reggina played inspired against Milan and came out with a draw they played very well and wanted it more.
so to recap, people won't study Lecce's tactics, mayby i'm a little harsh, but We should be able to win more agianst minnows and i hardly blame the system, does it lack the "sexy" factor arsenal has endeared us with, yes but quick counter-attack is a viable offense none the less.

i say this but i would prefer a 4-2-3-1, with pato as a AM,SS role

Zambrotta - Bonera - Maldini - Janku

Flamini- Pirlo

Ronaldinho Kaka
Pato

Boriello
il_diavolo_mtl
btw canadians Beat vancover 3-0 in an onslaught smile.gif
MizNelson
Edit: misunderstood previous post.
Jack Sparrow
I agree. I think a lot of tactics against our small teams were set with Borriello in mind. You have to look at any other top team which does well against minnows. They all have a big dominant striker who can keep the defenders busy.

Of course it's a bit different in La Liga, but teams rarely park the bus there.

Another thing, I don't like is we seem obsessed about putting in the through balls, and the balls into the box thing. Once in a while a shot from 20-30 yards would help. It would force the opposing team out of just lying back in and around the box.

We won't take the long shot, so just pass it from left to right to left again.
jefri91
2-1 for Milan with a classic pippo finishing smile.gif
Zed.D
QUOTE (jefri91 @ Feb 26 2009, 01:20 PM) *
2-1 for Milan with a classic pippo finishing smile.gif


This is not jefri unsure.gif what have you done to him?
Jack Sparrow
^^

sad.gif He thinks we're going to win. We're doomed. cry.gif
Zed.D
QUOTE
A MATCH WORTHY OF THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE

2/25/2009 5:41:00 PM

'It's a Uefa Cup match, but we consider it a Champions League': that's what Carlo Ancelotti said about tomorrow's match against Werder Bremen, in which courage and personality will be needed.



(on the photo, the Rossoneri's celebrations after Inzaghi's goal in Werder Bremen-Milan of last Wednesday)

MILANELLO - Here are the main declarations of coach Carlo Ancelotti, who talked during a press conference ahead of the second leg of the sixteenth finals of the Uefa Cup against Werder Bremen (San Siro, tomorrow 26 February 20.45).

ON THE FORMATION - 'Tomorrow there will not be a preordained turnover, we will try to use the best players available. The goalscorers emergency continues but we will evaluate the situation better after today's training. The doubts are mainly for Kaká and Ronaldinho, while as far as Pato and Shevchenko are concerned there are good possibilities. Also in defence we will try to use the most correct pairing, to counter the difficulties they will create in aerial play. Flamini is in a good moment, now he's playing with continuity and he's improved a lot. He can be used, also tomorrow. Beckham can play independently of whether or not Mathieu will play. As for Inzaghi, he has the objective of maintaining the title of European top scorer. He feels these games very strongly, and when that's the case, he rarely makes mistakes.'

ON KAKÁ - 'I don't think he can play against Werder, but on Sunday he will. Ricky had to stay out for 15 days for a distorsion; now we are in the 18th day, it makes no difference for me; we are we are in line with the recovery that had been programmed.'

ON THE MATCH - 'Werder are a team with excellent offensive qualities and they are used to these types of games. We know that the biggest problem in this match for us will be their physical power and their quality especially in attack. Werder play the same way both at home and away. We will find some difficulties on dead balls, and on aerial play: there will be some dangerous situations of this kind. We know it is a delicate match in a very important part of the season. We want to play an excellent match and we won't make any calculations even though on paper the first leg result gives us an advantage. We will play to win. Our primary objective at the moment is finishing in the top three in the league and we have not lost hope to reach the top of the table. Of course there's also the desire to play another final. Let's hope that getting past Werder Bremen can clear the road towards the final for us. We were talking about it yesterday with captain Maldini: it would be nice if he could lift another Cup. And we also have to get through for Nesta: we want to go forward and give also him the possibility of playing in the Uefa Cup. In any case, to go through we have to play well, control the match. We have to play in a courageous way, with personality and without fear. In these matches in Europe you don't make calculations, it's much more important to have courage and to want to impose yourself. From this point of view it will be a more open match than the one between Inter and Manchester, also because this one decisive, and that one was just the first half."

ON MILAN'S MOMENT - 'We had difficulties due to some points lost along the road and the recovery of the injured players. What we have done so far is all due to us. The pressure that surrounds us doesn't scare me, on the contrary, the more there is, the more possibilities we have of controlling it and drawing energy from it."

ON THE WHISTLES AT SAN SIRO - "They don't weigh on me, I accept them as criticisms. But I think that tomorrow these whistles will transform into applause for the team. Seedorf has the affection of the crowd, the fans have good memory and they know what Clarence has always given to this team. I think tomorrow we will find a different ambience; if it isn't, then we will have to change that. The Milan fans have always given their support in this type of match. It's not a Champions League match, but it's as if it were. We consider it a Champions League match because of the teams on the pitch and their experience."
dst
QUOTE
And we also have to get through for Nesta: we want to go forward and give also him the possibility of playing in the Uefa Cup.

What... give him the possibility? In which context, as a farewell present... ? sad.gif unsure.gif
il_diavolo_mtl
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Feb 26 2009, 12:42 AM) *
Edit: misunderstood previous post.

Lol hockey news. i'll stop, it's off topic

QUOTE (jefri91 @ Feb 26 2009, 04:50 AM) *
2-1 for Milan with a classic pippo finishing smile.gif

offside? tongue.gif
Jack Sparrow
Hopefully. biggrin.gif


So since I'm too lazy to open a new thread...and I don't give a damn about going OT...

QUOTE
FIFA plan to limit foreign players ''not illegal''

Controversial plans by football's world governing body to limit the number of foreign players do not breach EU rules, an independent report declared on Thursday.

FIFA's so-called ''6+5'' rule has been overwhelmingly approved by 155 of the organisation's member nations, but dismissed as illegal by the European Commission and most EU governments because they say it amounts to discrimination at work and a restriction on the free movement of workers.

Now the Institute for European Affairs (INEA) - commissioned by FIFA itself to study the issue - claims the idea of restricting foreign players in league games does not fall foul of EU rules on free movement of workers.

''There is no conflict with European law,'' INEA chairman Professor Jurgen Gramke told a press conference in Brussels. He insisted the report, although commissioned by FIFA, was entirely independent.

''We took no instructions from FIFA,'' he added. ''INEA accepted this commission on condition that our requirements of complete independence were met.''

The report says that, under EU law, the ''regulatory autonomy'' of sporting associations is recognised and supported.

''The key aim of the 6+5 rule in the view of the experts is the creation and assurance of sporting competition.

''The 6+5 rule does not impinge on the core area of the right to freedom of movement. The rule is merely a rule of the game declared in the general interest of sport in order to improve the sporting balance between clubs and associations''.

FIFA endorsed the rule in May last year, but six months later EU ministers said it clearly broke EU rules.

The 6+5 rule established that at the start of each match, a club must field at least six players who would be eligible for the national team of the country of the club.

But there would be no limit on substitutes and no limit on the number of non-national players that clubs can sign.

Thursday's report says that, at worst, the 6+5 rule could constitute ''indirect discrimination'' because ''it is not directly based on the nationality of professional players''.

Instead it ''merely considers entitlement to play for the national team concerned, and any possible indirect discrimination can be defended on the basis of compelling reasons of general interest''.

At the moment, quota systems in football are outlawed, thanks to a European Court ruling in 1995 known as the Bosman Case.

It declared illegal the system, then in operation in many national leagues and in UEFA club competitions, which allowed only three ''foreign'' players in a team.

The Bosman judgment had a dramatic effect on football, said today's report, opening up the use of foreign players to such a degree that up to 56% of national league players are now not eligible to play for the national team of the league in which they play. In addition, up to half of the ''foreign'' players are ''non-European''.

This development discourages young indigenous footballing talent, because clubs can recruit fully trained players from elsewhere, often cheaper, the report points out.

It says the central aim of the 6+5 rule is to generate and safeguard sporting competition, and its goal is best summed up as ''sport should remain sport''.

Professor Gramke said the report's conclusions justifying the compatibility of the 6+5 rule with EU law also applied to other team sports such as handball, basketball and ice hockey.

''It has an important protective function for the whole of international sport, so that sport can remain sport,'' he said.

The findings add fresh ammunition to FIFA's challenge to the European Commission and governments to recognise the 6+5 rule.

A FIFA spokesman said the report would form the basis of fresh talks with Commission officials, including Employment Commissioner Vladimir Spidla.

FIFA president Sepp Blatter is determined to see the 6+5 rule in place by the start of the 2012-13 season and the Commission is currently equally determined to block him.



Please..please..please let this happen. Inter, Inter...wherefore art thou Inter? devil.gif

Btw...does anyone know of any kinda rating in place for youth academies of the clubs. I read somewhere that the Milan youth academy 'rated' as one of the best in the world etc....

So is there some kind of rating, or is this just some propoganda thing?

Tennie
I think it's a good idea. Whether it'll get through EU regs....I dunno.

btw, today Milan will be wearing black armbands and both teams will observe a minute of silence before the game in honor of the passing of Silvio Berlusconi's sister who died last night.

EDIT: Don't know about ratings of youth academies, Jack. I've never seen such a thing. Some academies have historically good reputations: Ajax, Sporting, etc. I think it's relatively subjective.
Jack Sparrow
Well that's what the report is saying. It's finding a workaround, by saying you can buy as many non-nationals as you want, keep as many of them on the bench as you want BUT you will have to start with 6 people eligible for NT, even if they're the only 6 people you got.

I think however this rule if FIFA meant to implement, would mean at least a 3 year notice. If they did it *smack* within one year, a lot of big teams would be decimated (Arsenal, Inter). Milan would be weakened but we would manage.
Tennie
They're talking about a couple of years leadup as I understand it, Jack. Still, I think it'll take time for the thing to be ratified if it ever is.

As for today's game, Bremen will have Frings back in midfield. They may, however, have half an eye on the BUndesliga as they host Bayern on Sunday.
Bluesummers
What a racist rule imo. What does it matter where you get your players from, its a game about talent and skill. If their worried about talent in the country diminishing then they should help out the smaller clubs in the country who mostly play players from the nt eligiblity not shackle the top clubs because its not fair.
Tennie
Again the use of the term racist. I find that a little objectionable.

I think the proposal is aimed at preserving the integrity of the sport, and in seeing that clubs actually foster the national (specifically the youth) game. There's nothing preventing clubs from getting a lot of players from wherever they want, just not fielding an entire team of imports. I don't see a problem with it.
han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Feb 26 2009, 04:32 PM) *
What a racist rule imo. What does it matter where you get your players from, its a game about talent and skill. If their worried about talent in the country diminishing then they should help out the smaller clubs in the country who mostly play players from the nt eligiblity not shackle the top clubs because its not fair.

I think it's a good idea, we've got teams like Inter and Arsenal who barely have any Italian/English players on their team. Clubs who would rather shun their youth products in favour of going to Brazil or Argentina and buying the 'next big thing'

Clubs in the past used to handle the foreigner reistriction rules just fine. For example Milan, Milan's greatest ever side under Sacchi was made up of all Italian players except for the Dutch trio. And look at the Italian layers that were on the roster

Maldini, Baresi, Ancelotti, Donadoni, Massarro, Costacurta, etc All were great Italian players, why should a club like Inter have a squad full of foreign players and not even a decent amount of Italian players, at this point Inter might as well pack up and move to Argentina, since they have more of an Argentinian core rather then an Italian one
Jack Sparrow
I agree.

Either that or you have one single league for all of Europe which is so obviously impractical.

Why even call it the Italian league, if you don't see any Italians? Why even play it in Italy? Play it someplace else. Like Argentina/Brazil wherever. All the players can stay in their home country that way.
kizo
MILAN-WERDER BREMA: LE FORMAZIONI UFFICIALI
26/02/2009
MILAN: Dida; Zambrotta, Senderos, Maldini, Favalli; Beckham, Pirlo, Ambrosini; Seedorf; Inzaghi, Pato.

WERDER BREMA: Vander; Fritz, Mertesacker, Naldo, Pasanen; Tziolis, Frings, Ozil; Diego, H. Almeida, Pizarro.
Darunia
Didnt Carlo say Flamini would play? sleep.gif

Prefer to see Antonini over Favalli at LB (or Jankulovski? is he injured). I'd even prefer to see Zambro on the left and Bonera on the right, just don't think Favalli can play LB at a high level anymore. Even prefer Flamini at LB =/
gal_kenny
so favalli is chosen ahead of antonini..**** u Carlo
Tennie
Fishdoll is scared. unsure.gif unsure.gif unsure.gif

Someone has done something to Ancelotti - perhaps he's been replaced by an Evil Clone. There are TWO strikers in the lineup.

Was it ph34r.gif ?

Was it alien.gif ?

Was it 96.gif ?

nmcg
http://www.rojadirecta.com/ustream/531981 click to watch : )
Bluesummers
QUOTE (kizo @ Feb 26 2009, 12:43 PM) *
MILAN-WERDER BREMA: LE FORMAZIONI UFFICIALI
26/02/2009
MILAN: Dida; Zambrotta, Senderos, Maldini, Favalli; Beckham, Pirlo, Ambrosini; Seedorf; Inzaghi, Pato.

WERDER BREMA: Vander; Fritz, Mertesacker, Naldo, Pasanen; Tziolis, Frings, Ozil; Diego, H. Almeida, Pizarro.


i'm a genius. Good thing you didn't bet tennie tongue.gif
han2503
Well I'm not completely happy about it, but at least we have 2 strikers on the field and just 1 DM

Would have prefered Bonera in the middle instead of Senderos and Antonini on the left instead of Favalli

Don't understand why Carlo chose to risk Maldini in this one, he's our best defender atm and we really should't take any chances with him, Favalli and Bonera in the middle of defence would have been imo enough
han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Feb 26 2009, 08:16 PM) *
i'm a genius. Good thing you didn't bet tennie tongue.gif

I think everyone knew that Pato would play today...
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Feb 26 2009, 01:16 PM) *
i'm a genius. Good thing you didn't bet tennie tongue.gif


scratch that, that doesn't sound good.


I'm not a genius, I'm the special one! hahahahahha love it... biggrin.gif
Bluesummers
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 26 2009, 01:20 PM) *
I think everyone knew that Pato would play today...


tennie was doubting it thats why i was proposing to bet her, but she didn't accept. It would have been a great poem too had she accepted and i lost.


But since i'm the "special" one, i knew he would play hahahhaha laugh.gif





PS: my new word now is special one instead of dozer hahahah
Bluesummers
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 26 2009, 01:17 PM) *
Well I'm not completely happy about it, but at least we have 2 strikers on the field and just 1 DM

Would have prefered Bonera in the middle instead of Senderos and Antonini on the left instead of Favalli

Don't understand why Carlo chose to risk Maldini in this one, he's our best defender atm and we really should't take any chances with him, Favalli and Bonera in the middle of defence would have been imo enough


I told ya man, hes going out there with the best line up possible. I'm guessing its either win uefa cup or he's sacked.
Tennie
Tennie wasn't actually doubting a thing. Not my fault you misunderstood the 'Pato hasn't been training regularly' comment. smile.gif

I still wonder who kidnapped Carlo and replaced him with a clone.

(Blue, congratulations. You've come up with something even MORE obnoxious and annoying than 'dozer' with your 'special' talk).
acid911
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Feb 27 2009, 12:24 AM) *
PS: my new word now is special one instead of dozer hahahah

I actually preferred Dozer. dry.gif laugh.gif tongue.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Feb 26 2009, 08:24 PM) *
PS: my new word now is special one instead of dozer hahahah

Does it come accompanied by it's own special smiley? Because the droolsmiley.gif was what made dozer special wink.gif

tongue.gif
whoarethepatriots
Favalli and Senderos! Yikes!

I dont think we are progressing to the next round lads
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