How was that a foul by Zambro?

FT

Finally, that was getting emberassing

Don't know, don't care, it didn't result in anything

Anyway, that's a full 3 points for us, I'll take it no matter which way we played

Onto Bremen and hopefully advancing to the last 16 in the UEFA Cup

Well. The handbags at the end were interesting. Brownie points to Beckham for defending his teammate.

We got lucky but we DID get the three points.

YES! 3 points!!

Bad performance again, we're certainly not in good form.


No that was for the little riot. Though he was not responsible, he was pushed down and never arched his back.

There was a fight? Please tell me Pirlo hit someone... What is it with injuries man!! Not one game in this season has Carlo had a full team to call on...

Win - Milan - 3 points!

But let's continue with the can't-do attitude. Oh, just wait a few more minutes till Ancelotti or Galliani speak their press conference so we can hammer them once again.

One of the Cagliari players (Fini, I think) pushed Abbiati down. Beckham rushed to the defense of his teammate and, well, handbags commenced. Lots of players involved but, sadly, no Pirlo punches thrown.

Oh please like that was a game to be proud of...

C'mon han.

One second we say Inter are doing it right..and that ugly wins are the way to the championship. Now we say Milan have to play Bella Calcio or lose...

You saw the lineup. We had one striker. And Viudez? A 5ft 4 inch striker in a lineup comprising people like Pirlo, Beckham, Janku and Seedorf? At least Inzaghi can jump a couple of feet higher. Viudez would be invisible. And then you could criticise how just like he did with Yoann, Viudez was put in a no-win situation where his confidence broke.

I don't care how we get the 3 points at the end of the day, and I'm not shouting for Bello Calcio, but the way we played was terrible, why does Carlo keep insisting on things that don't work? a 4-4-1-1 with Seedorf supporting Pippo as the lone striker? Really Carlo??? We should thank our lucky stars that the Cagliari defence fvcked up big time or we never would have scored today, we could have been playing for hours and still we wouldn't have scored with the way we're playing, we'de probably have conceeded a couple with the way we just left their players open to take shots at our goal, atleast if you're missing crucial players mix things up a bit not keep aplying the same tactics that barely even work when we're at full strength, let alone with most of our players missing.

Viudez getting the same treatment as Yoann? I don't think that would happen since Yoann was mostly put on the the dying minutes while most of us wanted Viudez to start, at least we would have had someone that could actually run with the ball out there instead of passing the ball from side to side without an end product.

And Pippo, I'm not going to get into it because I'll be attacked, but he cannot handle playing that l position anymore, especially with just Seedorf supporting him, even pushing Beckham higher would have been more fruitful then playing that flat 4 midfield, that has never really worked for us to begin with. Seedorf kept getting booed today and I felt sorry for him because it really was not his fault. He was isolated up there and getting triple teamed, and Pippo couldn't even bother to come down and help him out by holding up the ball for him.

+1.

Oy. More venom. yay.

Odd how nobody was slating Pippo when he scored against Bremen.

It would have come off as harsh to criticise him , but still it was a bad game on his part, apart from the goal he missed countless chances that he would have scored with his eyes covered and feet bound a couple of years ago.

Also the fact the he's constantly offside or falling down was a big problem, at one point he would have gotten a tap-in today had he not fallen down in the box, atleast in the past when he used to dive he did it with more thought then he does these days.

Are you saying that Pippo should be applauded for his display today? Atleast if he's not scoring he should be able to do the simle task of holding up the ball and relieving an over-worked Seedorf of some of the pressure he was constantly put under by playing the position he played today. Imo, today's performance from Pippo was a really lazy one, even when there were chances where he could have stretched and reached the ball he didn't take those either

Seedorf should have come off. He scored this time but he's lost us way too many points with such performances in the last few seasons. It's not that Carletto's starting formations but it's annoying that he does nothing to change the flow of the game. Of course Seedorf would start but when he's that bad (he was BAD) you have to take him off. Put Viudez in his place. Would we win? Maybe not but at least we'd know the coach had tried to change things. No, Viudez is not our savior but he has pace, he could have changed things. Had we conceded today we would have never won. It worked today but most of the time we pay the price when we play like this. The thing is, this little notion that as long as we win everything's fine is simplistic and silly to say the least.

The other annoying thins is that, you know it better than me, Seedorf is not going to be reprimanded for his awful display.

I honestly don't recall the last time Pippo held the ball. Really..when was it? Must be the same match Kaka pulled a slide tackle when a striker was one-on-one with our GK.

Viudez run with the ball. We haven't even seen him in Serie A. I for one, am in no doubt, left to play on his own without someone strong alongside him, he'd be hammered by Serie defences. 5ft 4 inches yeesh!! If that doesn't say NOT-SOLE-STRIKER...I don't know what does.

Pairing him with Pippo? Who would we sacrifice? Beckham pushed up? That's trying something different. That's like saying Ambro should be pushed up to striker since he's good aerially and can do something with crosses. Of course when we tried that and failed...we were all like 'What was Carlo thinking!'

Same tactics. Today's game, was mostly about putting in crosses and long balls in. We only had the players to do that. The only striker who could deal with it was Pippo. Certainly not Viudez.

To see Viudez at his best, I'd put him in the trident...

--------Marco------
---Pato---------Tabarez

Then his pace down the right would be deadly. You said Pippo and Seedorf was being triple teamed and couldn't do anything. You can imagine what Serie A teaming would do to Viudez.

My point was Viudez was not the person to play this match, in this formation, with the type of players we had.

I honestly think we did well under the circumstances. Our first half was pretty decent...and if Pippo was more than 2 games old, we'd have a better scoreline.

Fair enough, han. At the same time, I'll expect you not to come after ME if I criticize players you do like for future performances.

In general, there's an awful lot of negativity toward...just about everything here. This is not pointing fingers at any individual poster, just an observation. Milanfan seems to have become a place at which people vent all their negativity. It's not a lot of fun.

I've grown very tired of it.

I hate you and your sly little comments towards me!

I didn't see the game as I was forced to go out. I'm guessing by the comments made by some that the performance was hardly something to remember..

Uhm Jack, Viudez is not a striker, and I would have wanted him to play alongside Seedorf so that could play off of eachother instad of Seedorf having to deel with 3 - 4 players whenever he touched the ball.

And Pippo usually does well with just doing the simple things, ie, running back with his back to goal, recieving a pass and laying it back off quickly to the attacking mids, he clearly was not doing that today, he was constantly in the box waiting around for something to happen, I did not expect that from him because usually he's one of the few along with Paolo that actually tries hard no matter what.

As I said I wouldn't have paired him with Pippo but had him supprt Seedorf in that Kaka role, atleast he would have provided an outlet for when we were counter attacking, and what does his height have to do with anything? Kaka is one of our tallest players yet when it comes to presence in the box he has zero. And I'm not saying that he would have lit the world on fire with a Messi style performance and running circles around the Cagliari defence but there were a lot of moments in the game when we were in desperate need of someone that could attack the spaces left behind with the ball at his feet, no one could do that, it usually resulted in Pirlo getting the ball trying to run with it and losing it or passing it back, or Seedorf doing the same thing. Had we had someone the could actually attack those spaces we could have seen a different game.

Had their been Viudez atleast the Cagliari players would have had someone else to focus on rather then just Seedorf and Pippo. And I don't think pushing Beckham a little further up would have been a mistake, and it's not like putting Ambro as a striker, that comparing apples with oranges Ambro is a DM that has one of the worst touches around, playing him as a striker is a terrible idea, yet it doesn't seem to deter Carlo from doing it, since he's done it in the past and today also Pushing up Becks a bit forward so that Seedorf could atleast get some help up there wouldn't have been something like putting Ambro as a striker that's a totally different thing


I don't think I'm attacking Pippo, yes I'm criticising him for his display today and against Bremen but I also praised him for his usual displays just not the one he put on today.



As for people being negative and coming on here to vent, what do you really expect when people are so frustrated with how the team plays and how it's being managed of course people are going to vent

Oops, can a mod edit my post and remove the codebox, because I put it in by mistake instaed of a quote and I f****d up the page. Plus my edit button seems to have disappeared

First of all, Viudez is not a forward, he's a '10'. When your primal playmaker (that's what Seedorf was in this game) is not exactly... playmaking but instead losing the ball the majority of the times he gets it you have to do something. At least at the hour mark or so. Carletto was lucky this time but we've lost points by watching the same thing one too many times. No Viudez knows nothing about Serie A. He could have sucked. Well... Seedorf sucked big time too.


I could not disagree more.

Oh my! The Da Hanci Code!

Uhm Jack, Viudez is not a striker, and I would have wanted him to play alongside Seedorf so that could play off of eachother instad of Seedorf having to deel with 3 - 4 players whenever he touched the ball.

And Pippo usually does well with just doing the simple things, ie, running back with his back to goal, recieving a pass and laying it back off quickly to the attacking mids, he clearly was not doing that today, he was constantly in the box waiting around for something to happen, I did not expect that from him because usually he's one of the few along with Paolo that actually tries hard no matter what.

As I said I wouldn't have paired him with Pippo but had him supprt Seedorf in that Kaka role, atleast he would have provided an outlet for when we were counter attacking, and what does his height have to do with anything? Kaka is one of our tallest players yet when it comes to presence in the box he has zero. And I'm not saying that he would have lit the world on fire with a Messi style performance and running circles around the Cagliari defence but there were a lot of moments in the game when we were in desperate need of someone that could attack the spaces left behind with the ball at his feet, no one could do that, it usually resulted in Pirlo getting the ball trying to run with it and losing it or passing it back, or Seedorf doing the same thing. Had we had someone the could actually attack those spaces we could have seen a different game.

Had their been Viudez atleast the Cagliari players would have had someone else to focus on rather then just Seedorf and Pippo. And I don't think pushing Beckham a little further up would have been a mistake, and it's not like putting Ambro as a striker, that comparing apples with oranges Ambro is a DM that has one of the worst touches around, playing him as a striker is a terrible idea, yet it doesn't seem to deter Carlo from doing it, since he's done it in the past and today also Pushing up Becks a bit forward so that Seedorf could atleast get some help up there wouldn't have been something like putting Ambro as a striker that's a totally different thing


I don't think I'm attacking Pippo, yes I'm criticising him for his display today and against Bremen but I also praised him for his usual displays just not the one he put on today.



As for people being negative and coming on here to vent, what do you really expect when people are so frustrated with how the team plays and how it's being managed of course people are going to vent

Shut up @ss&&le

I fixed it and moved it to this page

And this gives my post counter a +1 so take that

I should have known better.

You know what? I expect "those frustrated" people learned to handle their frustration in a different way then just systematically derailing discussions week after week, and drowning every inch of strenght, joy or open-heartness. Now really, couldn't "they" just done something different? After all, Milan's been like **** for quite some time?

That's my evil genius mind working at it's best

Oh please, derailing discussions?

I don't think always saying that 'whatever Carlo does is good' and 'non of our players ever play badly' is a discussion.

Discussing is when you disagree about someting and talking through it, that's after all why there is a forum to being with, and you can just come out and say 'you' to begin with instead of trying to be cryptic and using 'they' in the apostrophies...

It's apostrophes, thank you.

han, you're oversimplifying things. Do I ever say those things? No. I criticize when warranted and praise when warranted. The same goes for Fillipo.

What he's saying - in a different way from what I said above - is that at this point, there's no particular need to read the longish posts you, acid, zeddie, and a couple of other posters make at this point. Because it's the same litany of sins week in, week out.

Just because we're not all baying for the heads of the coach, underperforming players, and the management doesn't mean we're blind to what the problems are. It might instead mean that we don't feel any great need to repeat ourselves on the topic ad infinitum.

I don't call it a discussion when I know 5 posters including me who simply haven't got the strenght to "discuss" under does "forum"-like terms. It just kills me off when I don't feel and joy.

I know why I use plural instead of singlar. Or they instead of you.

I have three things to say:
Is Jack the only one allowed to make long posts in here? You pirate!
Carletto sucks. Seedorf sucks. Viudez rocks, we've ruined his career.
Latin phrases are ace.

FFS acid!!!




I think dst's criticising of Seedorf's performance is warrented today and so is mine towards Pippo's and I wasn't as harsh as dst is on Seedorf yet you only see my comments as being an attack towards a player that I don't like... Even when I'm praising Pippo in the same post you still zero in on the fact that I said he was lazy today and could have done better...

If you're a person that does not find it theraputic to vent frustrations on a football forum then good for you, I admire your ability to hold back your frustrations and keep them to yourself, with that being said not everyone is like you and people like me, zd and acid like to voice our frustrations with the team, that does not make us any less of fans as you are, were simply all different and react to situations in different ways

ps, dst, sorry for bringing you up but I just had to mention the fact that Seedorf being criticised does not matter yet it matters when the criticism is directed towards Pippo

It's not that people don't mind me criticizing Seedorf. But I act like a total d__k and I'm very harsh when I do it so they're afraid to reply to such posts in fear of me posting similar stuff another 15,000 times.

And yeah you're sorry but... all Maltese will be dead in 24 hours. Except for the dogs.

Atleast we have nice show dogs...

Exactly, now we reached a new level of discussion. I agree with you, there are different ways to handle it. And I just wanted to say that not all people find it theraputic or neccassary. And I think it's only fair that we all keep our approaches under control and avoid being dominant and aggressive.

+1. What Fillipo said.

My issue at this point is that the 'let's vent and eviscerate everything to do with Milan (except Pato and Kaka)' posts are dominant right now, to the point that I do honestly feel I'm being attacked by daring to post something (anything) positive about the team, whether it's Maldini's nice interview, the progress of the kids on loan, or Pippo's wedding announcement (yes, Pippo is apparently going to marry this girlfriend). So mostly at this point, I just don't bother.

Agreed, but I don't find the way I criticised Pippo for today's performance as being agressive.

And yes I replied to your post in a harsh manner, and I apologize for it, but I only replied that way because I found your posts to be a bit condescending

Well, to be honest, han, comments like



are pretty condescending too.

Uhm you're doing it again with mentioning Kaka and Pato, when they have nothing to do with this discussion, except for being Brazilian apparently...

Like I said to you previously, you found nothing wrong in the way Seedorf was harshly criticised, yet you jumped on me and said that I attacked Pippo. And I only said that he was lazy and should have done better. In fact me saying that I expect better from him should tell you enough that I think highly of him. If this was Kaladze's my expectations would be low yet with Pippo they are high because I know what he can do

what happend to pato why didnt he play anything serious????

LOL, Pippo's actually going to walk the last mile?

It's good news, his newest flame seems like a nice girl. Hopefully he won't dive!

There's no information about this. At least I did not read anything so I guess it must be minor.

Maybe he's been rested for Werder. If so, I'm more then pleased cause it I'll be a hell of a game and we'll need the fast boy. I just hope we start with a P-P attack, but given the choice of strikers we have, chances for that are more then bad.

Or tactical.

han, I'm using it as an example because if I'm not mistaken, you are one of the people who seems to think that Kaka is above any criticism. (zeddie similarly doesn't react well when Pato is criticised). It has nothing to do with naitonality unless I'm yet again going to be called a racist because I don't think those two are above criticism and I do think there are too many Brazilians on Milan's squad.

I cannot tell you how deeply insulting that is.

ahhh 3 points

This was not an easy game, though Milan reacted well and considering the injury list, I think it was a job well done

In the derby U could see in some moments that he was holding his thigh so they are probably being cautious to not aggravate the thigh problem. Hopefully he will be back against Werder B.

Me.. longish posts? come one!