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 Milan - Cagliari --- 22/02/2009, Giornata 25 |
 Feb 22 2009, 06:38 PM
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Primavera  Group: Moderators Posts: 23,206 Joined: 20-November 05 From: Athens, Hellas Member No.: 911  |
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 22 2009, 07:11 PM)  Viudez run with the ball. We haven't even seen him in Serie A. I for one, am in no doubt, left to play on his own without someone strong alongside him, he'd be hammered by Serie defences. 5ft 4 inches yeesh!! If that doesn't say NOT-SOLE-STRIKER...I don't know what does. Pairing him with Pippo? Who would we sacrifice? Beckham pushed up? That's trying something different. That's like saying Ambro should be pushed up to striker since he's good aerially and can do something with crosses. Of course when we tried that and failed...we were all like 'What was Carlo thinking!' My point was Viudez was not the person to play this match, in this formation, with the type of players we had. First of all, Viudez is not a forward, he's a '10'. When your primal playmaker (that's what Seedorf was in this game) is not exactly... playmaking but instead losing the ball the majority of the times he gets it you have to do something. At least at the hour mark or so. Carletto was lucky this time but we've lost points by watching the same thing one too many times. No Viudez knows nothing about Serie A. He could have sucked. Well... Seedorf sucked big time too. QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 22 2009, 07:11 PM) Today's game, was mostly about putting in crosses and long balls in. We only had the players to do that. I could not disagree more. |
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Feb 22 2009, 06:47 PM
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Berretti  Group: Helpers Posts: 13,937 Joined: 26-February 08 From: Always Around Member No.: 3,736 |
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 22 2009, 10:36 PM) Oops, can a mod edit my post and remove the codebox, because I put it in by mistake instaed of a quote and I f****d up the page. Plus my edit button seems to have disappeared (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Oh my! The Da Hanci Code! |
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Feb 22 2009, 06:48 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 22 2009, 06:11 PM) I honestly don't recall the last time Pippo held the ball. Really..when was it? Must be the same match Kaka pulled a slide tackle when a striker was one-on-one with our GK. Viudez run with the ball. We haven't even seen him in Serie A. I for one, am in no doubt, left to play on his own without someone strong alongside him, he'd be hammered by Serie defences. 5ft 4 inches yeesh!! If that doesn't say NOT-SOLE-STRIKER...I don't know what does. Pairing him with Pippo? Who would we sacrifice? Beckham pushed up? That's trying something different. That's like saying Ambro should be pushed up to striker since he's good aerially and can do something with crosses. Of course when we tried that and failed...we were all like 'What was Carlo thinking!' Same tactics. Today's game, was mostly about putting in crosses and long balls in. We only had the players to do that. The only striker who could deal with it was Pippo. Certainly not Viudez. To see Viudez at his best, I'd put him in the trident... --------Marco------ ---Pato---------Tabarez Then his pace down the right would be deadly. You said Pippo and Seedorf was being triple teamed and couldn't do anything. You can imagine what Serie A teaming would do to Viudez. My point was Viudez was not the person to play this match, in this formation, with the type of players we had. I honestly think we did well under the circumstances. Our first half was pretty decent...and if Pippo was more than 2 games old, we'd have a better scoreline. Uhm Jack, Viudez is not a striker, and I would have wanted him to play alongside Seedorf so that could play off of eachother instad of Seedorf having to deel with 3 - 4 players whenever he touched the ball. And Pippo usually does well with just doing the simple things, ie, running back with his back to goal, recieving a pass and laying it back off quickly to the attacking mids, he clearly was not doing that today, he was constantly in the box waiting around for something to happen, I did not expect that from him because usually he's one of the few along with Paolo that actually tries hard no matter what. As I said I wouldn't have paired him with Pippo but had him supprt Seedorf in that Kaka role, atleast he would have provided an outlet for when we were counter attacking, and what does his height have to do with anything? Kaka is one of our tallest players yet when it comes to presence in the box he has zero. And I'm not saying that he would have lit the world on fire with a Messi style performance and running circles around the Cagliari defence but there were a lot of moments in the game when we were in desperate need of someone that could attack the spaces left behind with the ball at his feet, no one could do that, it usually resulted in Pirlo getting the ball trying to run with it and losing it or passing it back, or Seedorf doing the same thing. Had we had someone the could actually attack those spaces we could have seen a different game. Had their been Viudez atleast the Cagliari players would have had someone else to focus on rather then just Seedorf and Pippo. And I don't think pushing Beckham a little further up would have been a mistake, and it's not like putting Ambro as a striker, that comparing apples with oranges Ambro is a DM that has one of the worst touches around, playing him as a striker is a terrible idea, yet it doesn't seem to deter Carlo from doing it, since he's done it in the past and today also (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Pushing up Becks a bit forward so that Seedorf could atleast get some help up there wouldn't have been something like putting Ambro as a striker that's a totally different thing QUOTE (Tennie @ Feb 22 2009, 06:12 PM) Fair enough, han. At the same time, I'll expect you not to come after ME if I criticize players you do like for future performances. In general, there's an awful lot of negativity toward...just about everything here. This is not pointing fingers at any individual poster, just an observation. Milanfan seems to have become a place at which people vent all their negativity. It's not a lot of fun. I've grown very tired of it. I don't think I'm attacking Pippo, yes I'm criticising him for his display today and against Bremen but I also praised him for his usual displays just not the one he put on today. QUOTE And Pippo usually does well with just doing the simple things, ie, running back with his back to goal, recieving a pass and laying it back off quickly to the attacking mids, he clearly was not doing that today, he was constantly in the box waiting around for something to happen, I did not expect that from him because usually he's one of the few along with Paolo that actually tries hard no matter what. As for people being negative and coming on here to vent, what do you really expect when people are so frustrated with how the team plays and how it's being managed of course people are going to vent |
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Feb 22 2009, 06:49 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
QUOTE (acid911 @ Feb 22 2009, 06:47 PM) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Oh my! The Da Hanci Code! Shut up @ss&&le (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) I fixed it and moved it to this page (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) And this gives my post counter a +1 so take that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) |
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Feb 22 2009, 06:53 PM
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Berretti Group: Helpers Posts: 13,937 Joined: 26-February 08 From: Always Around Member No.: 3,736 |
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 22 2009, 10:49 PM) And this gives my post counter a +1 so take that I should have known better. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) |
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Feb 22 2009, 06:54 PM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 18,833 Joined: 5-April 06 From: Croatia, Zagreb Member No.: 1,564 |
QUOTE As for people being negative and coming on here to vent, what do you really expect when people are so frustrated with how the team plays and how it's being managed of course people are going to vent You know what? I expect "those frustrated" people learned to handle their frustration in a different way then just systematically derailing discussions week after week, and drowning every inch of strenght, joy or open-heartness. Now really, couldn't "they" just done something different? After all, Milan's been like **** for quite some time? This post has been edited by Fillipo Simone: Feb 22 2009, 06:55 PM |
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Feb 22 2009, 06:55 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
QUOTE (acid911 @ Feb 22 2009, 06:53 PM) I should have known better. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) That's my evil genius mind working at it's best (IMG:style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sneakingsmiley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sneakingsmiley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif) |
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Feb 22 2009, 06:58 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 22 2009, 06:54 PM) You know what? I expect "those frustrated" people learned to handle their frustration in a different way then just systematically derailing discussions week after week, and drowning every inch of strenght, joy or open-heartness. Now really, couldn't "they" just done something different? After all, Milan's been like **** for quite some time? Oh please, derailing discussions? I don't think always saying that 'whatever Carlo does is good' and 'non of our players ever play badly' is a discussion. Discussing is when you disagree about someting and talking through it, that's after all why there is a forum to being with, and you can just come out and say 'you' to begin with instead of trying to be cryptic and using 'they' in the apostrophies... |
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Feb 22 2009, 07:04 PM
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Berretti Group: Helpers Posts: 13,937 Joined: 26-February 08 From: Always Around Member No.: 3,736 |
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 22 2009, 10:58 PM) Discussing is when you disagree about someting and talking through it, that's after all why there is a forum to being with, and you can just come out and say 'you' to begin with instead of trying to be cryptic and using 'they' in the apostrophies... It's apostrophes, thank you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) |
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Feb 22 2009, 07:06 PM
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Token Girl Group: Moderators Posts: 12,435 Joined: 13-November 06 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 2,800 |
han, you're oversimplifying things. Do I ever say those things? No. I criticize when warranted and praise when warranted. The same goes for Fillipo.
What he's saying - in a different way from what I said above - is that at this point, there's no particular need to read the longish posts you, acid, zeddie, and a couple of other posters make at this point. Because it's the same litany of sins week in, week out. Just because we're not all baying for the heads of the coach, underperforming players, and the management doesn't mean we're blind to what the problems are. It might instead mean that we don't feel any great need to repeat ourselves on the topic ad infinitum. |
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Feb 22 2009, 07:12 PM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 18,833 Joined: 5-April 06 From: Croatia, Zagreb Member No.: 1,564 |
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 22 2009, 06:58 PM) Oh please, derailing discussions? I don't think always saying that 'whatever Carlo does is good' and 'non of our players ever play badly' is a discussion. Discussing is when you disagree about someting and talking through it, that's after all why there is a forum to being with, and you can just come out and say 'you' to begin with instead of trying to be cryptic and using 'they' in the apostrophies... I don't call it a discussion when I know 5 posters including me who simply haven't got the strenght to "discuss" under does "forum"-like terms. It just kills me off when I don't feel and joy. I know why I use plural instead of singlar. Or they instead of you. |
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Feb 22 2009, 07:12 PM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 23,206 Joined: 20-November 05 From: Athens, Hellas Member No.: 911 |
QUOTE (Tennie @ Feb 22 2009, 08:06 PM) han, you're oversimplifying things. Do I ever say those things? No. I criticize when warranted and praise when warranted. The same goes for Fillipo. What he's saying - in a different way from what I said above - is that at this point, there's no particular need to read the longish posts you, acid, zeddie, and a couple of other posters make at this point. Because it's the same litany of sins week in, week out. Just because we're not all baying for the heads of the coach, underperforming players, and the management doesn't mean we're blind to what the problems are. It might instead mean that we don't feel any great need to repeat ourselves on the topic ad infinitum. I have three things to say: Is Jack the only one allowed to make long posts in here? You pirate! Carletto sucks. Seedorf sucks. Viudez rocks, we've ruined his career. Latin phrases are ace. This post has been edited by dst: Feb 22 2009, 07:13 PM |
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Feb 22 2009, 07:13 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
QUOTE (acid911 @ Feb 22 2009, 07:04 PM) It's apostrophes, thank you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) FFS acid!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) QUOTE (Tennie @ Feb 22 2009, 07:06 PM) han, you're oversimplifying things. Do I ever say those things? No. I criticize when warranted and praise when warranted. The same goes for Fillipo. What he's saying - in a different way from what I said above - is that at this point, there's no particular need to read the longish posts you, acid, zeddie, and a couple of other posters make at this point. Because it's the same litany of sins week in, week out. Just because we're not all baying for the heads of the coach, underperforming players, and the management doesn't mean we're blind to what the problems are. It might instead mean that we don't feel any great need to repeat ourselves on the topic ad infinitum. I think dst's criticising of Seedorf's performance is warrented today and so is mine towards Pippo's and I wasn't as harsh as dst is on Seedorf yet you only see my comments as being an attack towards a player that I don't like... Even when I'm praising Pippo in the same post you still zero in on the fact that I said he was lazy today and could have done better... If you're a person that does not find it theraputic to vent frustrations on a football forum then good for you, I admire your ability to hold back your frustrations and keep them to yourself, with that being said not everyone is like you and people like me, zd and acid like to voice our frustrations with the team, that does not make us any less of fans as you are, were simply all different and react to situations in different ways ps, dst, sorry for bringing you up but I just had to mention the fact that Seedorf being criticised does not matter yet it matters when the criticism is directed towards Pippo |
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Feb 22 2009, 07:19 PM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 23,206 Joined: 20-November 05 From: Athens, Hellas Member No.: 911 |
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 22 2009, 08:13 PM) ps, dst, sorry for bringing you up but I just had to mention the fact that Seedorf being criticised does not matter yet it matters when the criticism is directed towards Pippo It's not that people don't mind me criticizing Seedorf. But I act like a total d__k and I'm very harsh when I do it so they're afraid to reply to such posts in fear of me posting similar stuff another 15,000 times. And yeah you're sorry but... all Maltese will be dead in 24 hours. Except for the dogs. |
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Feb 22 2009, 07:20 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
QUOTE (dst @ Feb 22 2009, 07:19 PM) It's not that people don't mind me criticizing Seedorf. But I act like a total d__k and I'm very harsh when I do it so they're afraid to reply to such posts in fear of me posting similar stuff another 15,000 times. And yeah you're sorry but... all Maltese will be dead in 24 hours. Except for the dogs. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Atleast we have nice show dogs... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) |
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