QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 30 2008, 02:46 PM)
Show me a coach who doesn't.
Bonera, Kaladze, Jankulovski, Favalli, Maldini, Pippo, Brocchi, Ambrosini - they all didn't give a sh@t last year or when Sheva left, they always or more then often show motivation and at least try. I don't say they're good but they tryed. So it's not that EVERYONE gives a sh@t.
You think Seedorf's, Kaladze's, etc performances showed heart and determination to win matches?? I'm only mentioning these 2 since they are our most complaincent players, but even Pirlo, Rino, Ambro and Pippo had games where they looked like they couldn't give a sh!t these past couple of seasons.
As for a coach who doesn't rely on his star players to bail him out, Scolari doesn't have an iconic player like Milan for example have Kaka, Inter have Ibra, Man U have C.Ron and so on. His team literally plays like a team and most of the goals are constructed as team moves, that's why someone as sh!t as Anelka is able to score the ammounts he's scored this season.
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 30 2008, 02:46 PM)
As said before, we simply seem to treat the term "complete failure" differently.
Oh so you classify these last 2 seasons, (one of them in which we didn't qualify for the CL and got spanked by the @rse kids) as a success while playing the xmas tree formation and playing Carlo's ridged tactics? Clearly we don't treat the term complete failure in the same way. Because I call those 2 seasons a disgrace that was brought upon our selves, by both compaicency and bad tactics.
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 30 2008, 02:46 PM)
We never fall that deep into trouble like Spalletti in the first place. Now he reshuffled his team and well...ohh..ohh...he won against Cluj! In a very unconvincing, "Milan-Pompey" manner, embaressing manner. Hab would say - all Europe could have a giggle. Wait up. I'm not sure Roma is in renesainse now.
Also, the United debacle, the tragic and bad displays last season when they proved not to be able to compete with Inter, just like we did...I don't see it. At least Ancelotti never got humiliated against Ferguson like Spalletti did...twice.
Roma have come from losing games against relegation teams to humilating Chelsea and winning league games comfortably, all thanks to their coach who admitted he was wrong and changed things around for the team. Something Carlo is still unable to do. Even though his system has gotten found out years ago.
It was Spalletti's first real big match in Europe, he made mistakes, and at least it wasn't Wenger that he got humiliated against
QUOTE (Tennie @ Nov 30 2008, 02:52 PM)
As for han's blaming the coach, I'm going to agree to disagree. I think it's as much on the players for laziness and complacency - especially when they've got the lead and switch off - as it is on the coach. I don't think Ancelotti is blameless. I don't think the players are blameless either.
And I'm definitely going to agree to disagree that Kaka is above criticism. Nobody is. Not him, not Maldini, not Ancelotti.
As for making it work without important players, Milan is in second place without having had Pirlo for the majority of the games. That to me is a remarkable achievement and credit for that should go both to the players who've played in unfamiliar roles as well as the coach who's gotten good performances out of (most of) the players.
Why would that get complaicent after getting a lead and try to defend that only? Because it's something that they get from their coach. Don't know if you remember Carlo's Juve Tennie, but it was the same classic case with them under Carlo, don't tell me it's just the players being lazy because a couple of years ago they would have kept playing to score more goals even if we're 5 up.
As for Kaka, I'm not saying don't criticise him at all. I said myself that he's off form right now. But I also said that he cannot be criticised a lot just for not being on form right now after he was one of our only few players really trying hard all of last season and the one before that, even through injury he kept trying. A dip in form is expected and crucifying him for that would be truly unfair. Just like crucifying Paolo for making one mistake in a game a while back is unfair, concidering his age, the fact that he keeps fighting for the team no matter what and the fact that he has to do twice the work since Kaladze is playing alongside him is unfair.
Sure Carlo at times shouldn't play him, but again it's Carlo's choice, I'm sure it won't create the big controvercy you'de think it would, all he needs to do is explain that Kaka needs to sit a couple of games to regain fitness. There's no need to keep playing him constantly now, expecially with the attacking line he has to choose from
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Nov 30 2008, 03:00 PM)
i would like to comment on kaka thing.... pirlo was terrible last year but still very important to milan play and we strugled even more without him and same is with kaka we struggle without him and even if he is not playing at his best he can win games IMO just like pirlo add something extra kaka does it too even if they are not playing to their full potential this has been the case over the last couple of seasons
Exactly. But I do think that at times Kaka is played because Carlo is afraid to leave him out, we have Dinho, Pato and Sheva, plus Boriello and Pippo in attack, surelu Kaka can be left out sometimes to get some well deserved rest, but Carlo still plays him. We can play games without him, just like we have without Pirlo, we have a big enough squad to rotate but Carlo does not understand the meaning of rotating the team and keeping everyone fresh