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kurtsimonw
QUOTE (dst @ Sep 26 2008, 09:46 PM) *
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The problem is not any player individually, we do not defend as a unit and we fail to do that against Inter, we're going to pay for it!

Paying for it, now there's an idea.. tell Galliani to get on the phone to some refs!
PatitoFeo
it is tough to defend as a unit when the two centerbacks can be easily beaten by quick forwards. I think Maldini could be in for trouble against Ibra
Il Capitano
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Sep 26 2008, 10:46 PM) *
All I know is that I wouldn't bet my money on our defense saving our @sses. we need to think about attacking... A LOT. plain & simple.

+1

If the defense is not working, attack so much that the opponents won't have many opportunities to score.
Ry4n
http://www.fifa.com/classicfootball/news/n...century+derbies

A nice read smile.gif
KillerMax
I won't be able to watch this game. Hopefully I will be surprised by the result. And no, nothing but a victory will surprise me.
drizzt
QUOTE (PatitoFeo @ Sep 27 2008, 01:35 AM) *
it is tough to defend as a unit when the two centerbacks can be easily beaten by quick forwards. I think Maldini could be in for trouble against Ibra


remember our last derby? in fact, paolo was the key reason why ibra couldnt perform.. but, that was months ago.. wink.gif
acid911
QUOTE (drizzt @ Sep 27 2008, 08:40 AM) *
remember our last derby? in fact, paolo was the key reason why ibra couldnt perform.. but, that was months ago..

I agree. The thing with Paolo's age is that even though he tries he can't give out 100% every time, more so when we take into things he's done over his career. And in his case, even 99% can be fatal, with people and media jumping on him. dry.gif I'm not saying he's the same Maldini that was before - everybody knows this including him and his opponents.

The thing is that slow and all, he's still better than almost all of our defenders with his technique and game reading skills. I just hope he has a great day in the office on Sunday. cool.gif If he does, we're in for some fireworks!
drizzt
QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 27 2008, 03:50 AM) *
I agree. The thing with Paolo's age is that even though he tries he can't give out 100% every time, more so when we take into things he's done over his career. And in his case, even 99% can be fatal, with people and media jumping on him. dry.gif I'm not saying he's the same Maldini that was before - everybody knows this including him and his opponents.

The thing is that slow and all, he's still better than almost all of our defenders with his technique and game reading skills. I just hope he has a great day in the office on Sunday. cool.gif If he does, we're in for some fireworks!


+1

Technically, he is still among the best defenders in Serie A.. But.. considering his age now, pace is a problem but not his physical attributes..
acid911
QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 27 2008, 08:50 AM) *
If he does, we're in for some fireworks!

Um, speaking of fireworks, I do hope we send some of them inter's way this Sunday. wink.gif It was about time Mourinho put a stop to his 100 or so unbeaten league games streak, and no better team to do that then us. Having said that, we (or in this case Carlo Ancelotti) will have to be at his/our absolute tactical best.

Think of it as a Champions League game, Carlo. cool.gif Do you homework well, 1-0, 2-1, whatever it takes to put a smile on the face of Milan fans! Just do it.
Zed.D
QUOTE (Il Capitano @ Sep 27 2008, 04:06 AM) *
If the defense is not working, attack so much that the opponents won't have many opportunities to score.


Attack is the best form of defense. if we play with the Christmas tree, sit back and wait for accidents to put our names on the scoresheet, Inter will rip us apart at the back like they did in many recent derbies, except for the most recent one of course, where we needed a win, we attacked and we won!

QUOTE (drizzt @ Sep 27 2008, 07:10 AM) *
remember our last derby? in fact, paolo was the key reason why ibra couldnt perform.. but, that was months ago.. wink.gif


I mostly remember Nesta heroics... even if it was Maldini, there's already a lot of difference between the Maldini of now and the Maldini of months ago. it's no joke, he's 40... I hope he doesn't run out of breath tomorrow night as that's the only problem.

QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 27 2008, 08:41 AM) *
It was about time Mourinho put a stop to his 100 or so unbeaten league games streak, and no better team to do that then us.


1899% agreed!
amancik
To be honest, I'll be happy with a draw. If our defence has a good day, we're in for a great game.
amancik
Abbiati
Zambrotta-Bonera-Maldini-Antonini
Gattuso
Ambrosini-Ronaldinho
Kaka'
Shevchenko-Pato

I'd like Carlo to field this 11. Switch Seedorf maybe in the last 25 minutes with Ronnie. "If" we're leading in the last 10 minutes, then Carlo should change to a Christmas-tree formation by bringing on Flamini for Shevchenko.
han2503
QUOTE (drizzt @ Sep 27 2008, 03:40 AM) *
remember our last derby? in fact, paolo was the key reason why ibra couldnt perform.. but, that was months ago.. wink.gif

IIRC that was mainly Nesta that kept him quite. And in the last derby Paolo didn't play wink.gif
acid911
Frankly, I don't care who played or how they played. rolleyes.gif As long as Kaka does his usual stuff we'll come out good. Remember this?

Kaka Owns inter Players
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 27 2008, 06:11 AM) *
Um, speaking of fireworks, I do hope we send some of them inter's way this Sunday. wink.gif It was about time Mourinho put a stop to his 100 or so unbeaten league games streak, and no better team to do that then us. Having said that, we (or in this case Carlo Ancelotti) will have to be at his/our absolute tactical best.

Think of it as a Champions League game, Carlo. cool.gif Do you homework well, 1-0, 2-1, whatever it takes to put a smile on the face of Milan fans! Just do it.

jose record is of home games while this one i think is away game for him so even if we win the record will still be there
Nova
I really miss the days where we could laugh at merda before & after the derby. Cause even IF they won it , they would still end up winning nothing.

Now I still dont recognize merda's scudetti , but it looks like a lot of people actually fear Inter. Wich is something I'll never do. Im convinced we have one of the strongest teams in the world and with the right attitude & fighting mentality , merda wont stand a chance.

Pirlo's absence might do us good cause lately he was even more lazy then seedorf , losing the ball a lot , trying to drible on a place where you just need to pass. He needs to get his act together. Untill then , I prefer a hard working Flamini in his place.

I hope Ronaldinho gets a chance and rips merda apart , if not , a normal juicy win would be enough too smile.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Nova @ Sep 27 2008, 11:33 AM) *
Now I still dont recognize merda's scudetti

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Nova
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 27 2008, 12:36 PM) *
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calciopoli , refs ... i even think there is a compilation on the referee part somewhere on youtube


edit* No im wrong , it was la gazzetta dello sport who made an article about it. And where merda would be if they havent been awarded all those freaky calls from the ref.
han2503
@ Nova, everyone knows Inter were as much involved in the whole thing as anyone else, if not more. It's no secret that the call tapes were recorded by Troncetti Provera's Telecom Italia, a company Moraatti has shares in and a very well known friend of Moratti's that is spotted a lot in Inter games. So ofcourse they weren't going to tape any calls the Inter higherarchy made and still makes.

Inter fans love playing the victom and innocents but they got just as much favourable calls towards them as any of the top teams, just because they are born losers they like to blame that on anything they can so they call cheating the reason why they continuosly failed in the league. And now suddenly it's only them in the league, but yet they still manage to emberass themselves in Europe every year.
Portman
QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 27 2008, 06:11 AM) *
Um, speaking of fireworks, I do hope we send some of them inter's way this Sunday. wink.gif It was about time Mourinho put a stop to his 100 or so unbeaten league games streak, and no better team to do that then us. Having said that, we (or in this case Carlo Ancelotti) will have to be at his/our absolute tactical best.

Think of it as a Champions League game, Carlo. cool.gif Do you homework well, 1-0, 2-1, whatever it takes to put a smile on the face of Milan fans! Just do it.

It's home-games. And Sunday, we play at home. Not Inter.
Nova
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 27 2008, 01:06 PM) *
@ Nova, everyone knows Inter were as much involved in the whole thing as anyone else, if not more. It's no secret that the call tapes were recorded by Troncetti Provera's Telecom Italia, a company Moraatti has shares in and a very well known friend of Moratti's that is spotted a lot in Inter games. So ofcourse they weren't going to tape any calls the Inter higherarchy made and still makes.

Inter fans love playing the victom and innocents but they got just as much favourable calls towards them as any of the top teams, just because they are born losers they like to blame that on anything they can so they call cheating the reason why they continuosly failed in the league. And now suddenly it's only them in the league, but yet they still manage to emberass themselves in Europe every year.


Voila , very well said Han. hi5.gif
acid911
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Sep 27 2008, 02:44 PM) *
jose record is of home games while this one i think is away game for him so even if we win the record will still be there


QUOTE (Portikins @ Sep 27 2008, 04:38 PM) *
It's home-games. And Sunday, we play at home. Not Inter.

Makes sense. wink.gif I was under the impression that it was of overall league games (both in England and Italy). Still a victory won't hurt, will it? Provided we play to our attacking potential.
kurtsimonw
Is Julio Cruz injured or something, I haven't seen him yet this season! Hopefully he doesn't play, he's too smart for our defenders.
Il Capitano
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 27 2008, 01:47 PM) *
Is Julio Cruz injured or something, I haven't seen him yet this season! Hopefully he doesn't play, he's too smart for our defenders.

He was injured but he made his comeback against Lecce.
TriniKing_CE
I have to admit with the derby nearing ever closer, I can't help but wondering what will become of our defence against Inter's attacking line without Nesta. (Quite a scary thought...) blink.gif
Anyway, I'm remaining hopeful... huh.gif
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (Il Capitano @ Sep 27 2008, 02:02 PM) *
He was injured but he made his comeback against Lecce.

and scored the winner as well
CrazyMilanFan
Abbiati, Zambrotta, Maldini, Kaladze, Jankulovski, Gattuso, Kakà. these guys are starting according to carlo



. I know my starting XI, but will keep it to myself. I’ll only reveal eight names: Abbiati, Zambrotta, Maldini, Kaladze, Jankulovski, Gattuso and Kaka.”

that is what he said so i think the eights one will be seedorf
dst
Their defense is as bad as mine. Well maybe not that bad but we will have our chances... in these tight games whoever takes them wins, there's no room for magic.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 27 2008, 12:49 AM) *
Paying for it, now there's an idea.. tell Galliani to get on the phone to some refs!

He's lost control, Moratti's in charge! wink.gif
Zed.D
Since Pirlo is not playing, I think it'd not be a bad idea if Ronaldinho started. who knows? a FK around the box and... smile.gif it'd be great if he scored his first goal on the derby.
TriniKing_CE
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MOTIVATIONS AND QUALITY
9/27/2008 3:25:00 PM

On the eve of Milan-Inter, the Rossoneri’s coach Carlo Ancelotti faced all the topics tied to the game against the Nerazzurri of José Mourinho - ANCELOTTI DECLARATIONS -

MILANELLO – These are the declarations of Carlo Ancelotti during the press conference ahead of Milan-Inter, for the fifth matchday of Serie A, in program tomorrow evening at San Siro at 8.30pm:

The ‘magnificent eight’? They will be Abbiati, Zambrotta, Maldini, Kaladze, Jankulovski, Gattuso and Kakà. For the rest, my ideas are very clear but I will not tell them. It’s right to speak about the game because it’s an important game. We have the possibility to come out of this difficult moment in the most difficult game, because it will be against the strongest team. However, this can only be a great motivation. We must manage to oppose their physical attributes to our quality, our game way to prepare the game, our courage.

The squad is improving from the physical level because it is working a lot and we re-watch the games. From the morale level things have improved a lot and we are happy to play this game.

Inter’s strength is tied to Ibrahimovic’s power and his ability to take advantage of the counter attack, which only few teams are capable to do. An Inter defect? I don’t know, they have a lot of qualities. Against Inter you must take the game in your hand, impose your game, so as to avoid that their qualities emerge.

The ideal thing would be to score many goals and not concede any. Right now some problems in the defensive phase have emerged, which in part they are still there because we have conceded other goals, but we have improved overall. The objective is to avoid conceding goals.

I don’t know if it’s a coincidence that we have won the evening games, and if it wasn’t the case I wouldn’t be able to explain the reasons.

Mourinho? I don’t feel like telling him anything on the eve of this game, there is no need of any message. He’s a capable coach, where in a short time at Inter he has obtained excellent results. From the communication level, he is intelligent and capable. I don’t find him annoying. Many things he said and did I agree with them. For example there shouldn’t be the confrontation from a distance between coaches on TV. One should talk about his game not make a confrontation.

The philosophy of a coach does not change, just the disposition of the players on the pitch does: Porto was in a way, Chelsea in another and Inter is different. Mourinho is an intelligent coach because he is capable of changing the dispositions in a way to take advantage of the men he has. Inter has changed from the Mancini period: this Inter is a team who care more about the speed in the counter attack, who tries to take advantage of it at every opportunity. It's the main characteristic of this team. Mancini's Inter played a more engulfing game and did not rely on the counter at’acks.

Dinho is improving, we shall take advantage that for him it will be important to train with us during the break.

Sheva could be a psychological danger for the opponents? He cares a lot about this game, but it is more than motivation for him, as he can give an important contribution.

To prepare these type of games in the best possible way we don’t need to know the characteristics of our opponents, but what matters is your own qualities: we must impose ourselves from the character and technical point of view.

Tomorrow’s game is not decisive for the Scudetto race: for us it’s important to end the negative period and open a new one. Just like we managed to come out of a difficult period, even Roma and Fiorentina can do so: difficult for Roma due to the injuries, and for Fiorentina due to a transfer market which brought many players who must learn to play together.

Pato started to play well in the moment that he noticed that he was playing badly. He's fine, he's serene and calm and is not tense. Maybe it's recklessness or just youth. The characteristic which he must express is the speed which annoys everyone and not only Inter.

It’s true that there was a meeting with the Chelsea directors. But the 'super salary’ was an enormous lie. We spoke about football, not money.

Borriello's absence? In the last games he did well, he gave an important contribution and with him we could have played differently, with more ball forwards. Without him, there will be less long ball forward and more short low passes.


Milan vs Inter - PreGame Press Conference
Zed.D
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THE EVOLUTION OF THINGS

9/27/2008 7:58:00 PM

Janku has recovered, Nesta and Pirlo's situations are evolving well, Borriello's muscular problem is not bad: here is the weekly account of Massimo Manara who also talked about Inzaghi and Senderos.



MILANELLO - Fixed appointment with Massimo Manara: also this week Milan's Social Doctor talked about the individual players' situations. Here's how the recovery of the injured player is going, case by case.

MAREK JANKULOVSKI
'Yesterday the player resumed training with the group. He has recovered and is available again.'

SANDRO NESTA
'Sandro is finishing the last work in the physiotherapy department. From Monday he will get back to the preparations and will presumably come back after the October international break. He is constantly improving. We'll see in the next few days when he will start working at a higher level.'

PIPPO INZAGHI
'Filippo will undergo a check on Monday morning. We will see how it turns out and if it will comfort us. He should be able to return on Tuesday.'

MARCO BORRIELLO
'Marco had a muscular problem to his left thigh. He was subjected to an ecographic test this morning. It's a slight problem which will keep him out for about ten days. Probably we can talk about it again after the break.'

ANDREA PIRLO
'Also Andrea had an ecography this morning which evidenced his progress. We will do another on 9 or 10 October. But he has improved notably.'

PHILIPPE SENDEROS
'The defender, who suffered an injury on Saturday before the match against Genoa, unfortunately is still feeling pain and is still unable to work with the group. We will evaluate him again in the first days of next week.'


Janku will be there devil.gif
Habitant
as fans i think we deserve a win.

we've endured nothing but torture with league results for the past 3 years, whenever we've gained ground (which has been rare) we stumble at the first obstacle. i know it's early in the season and the sucdetto isnt won now, but we can certainly lose the early battle.
PatitoFeo
I think that Paolo will have a good game tomorrow: Inter lacks forwards with blinding pace.

Plus, Paolo has aged very gracefully like a fine wine. Pace was never the name of his game, so his smarts should be enough. I am glad he is in the center and not on the wing, an experiment that failed (uggghhh Arsenal last year).
Habitant
QUOTE (PatitoFeo @ Sep 28 2008, 01:10 AM) *
I think that Paolo will have a good game tomorrow: Inter lacks forwards with blinding pace.

Plus, Paolo has aged very gracefully like a fine wine. Pace was never the name of his game, so his smarts should be enough. I am glad he is in the center and not on the wing, an experiment that failed (uggghhh Arsenal last year).

thats been true for his late 30s but now it's getting ugly sleep.gif it's getting to a point where diego milito one of the slowest strikers you'll see is outpacing him, that every other attacking player in serie a. then again it's paolo, so he can easily pull one out of the hat tomorrow, hope so.

btw he's been schooled by zlatan on a few occasions. now they have quaresma, mancini.. dry.gif
ACMBoY
Forza Milan!, domani dimostreremo che Milano Siamo Noi... andiamo ragazzi.
acid911
QUOTE (PatitoFeo @ Sep 28 2008, 05:10 AM) *
I think that Paolo will have a good game tomorrow: Inter lacks forwards with blinding pace.

Plus, Paolo has aged very gracefully like a fine wine. Pace was never the name of his game, so his smarts should be enough. I am glad he is in the center and not on the wing, an experiment that failed (uggghhh Arsenal last year).

Best. Post. Ever. cool.gif Though Paolo had the best pace I've ever seen from a player, even better than Ronaldo 99. It was his pace along with his skills that allowed him to dead stop the best forwards of his time. Plus, not to mention his long fast runs on the left flank in the 80s and 90s.

A defender like him needs pace in his arsenal (pun always intended), it's just that at 40 he's lost a chunk of it.

QUOTE (Habitant @ Sep 28 2008, 07:04 AM) *
btw he's been schooled by zlatan on a few occasions. now they have quaresma, mancini..

These three combined can't touch Paolo's skills. Yet. rolleyes.gif Great players they are, Zlatan and Quaresma have a long way to go, while Mancini is just another fruit cake. I'll be the first one to admit, Paolo has trouble in one-on-ones with pacey forwards, but still I'd rather have him in the XI than not.

Remember, Paolo+Nesta is still our best combo, for not at least. Trouble starts with Kaladze, when he plays. dry.gif Ha!
Warchant
i've been waiting for this game all week. we really need a big win out of this game.

can't wait!
Darunia
So excited! Expect to see 4-3-1-2 with Sheva/R10 partnering Pato. Hopefully one of Sheva/R10 will get on the scoresheet biggrin.gif
acid911
QUOTE (Darunia @ Sep 28 2008, 10:54 AM) *
Hopefully one of Sheva/R10 will get on the scoresheet

Or both. tongue.gif I'm a greedy turd, I know, but I want them both on with at least a goal each!
kurtsimonw
I'd rather we play Ambro at CB than Maldini for this one.

Prediction
If Maldini plays: Inter 3-1 win.
If Maldini doesn't: 1-1 draw.
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 28 2008, 11:19 AM) *
I'd rather we play Ambro at CB than Maldini for this one.

Prediction
If Maldini plays: Inter 3-1 win.
If Maldini doesn't: 1-1 draw.

I'm more worried about Kaladze then Paolo. Paolo made a bad judgment against Genoa and it resulted in a goal. Kaladze has been making a total of 1 - 2 mistakes in every game we played this season. I would be more at ease if Bonera would play instead of him
kizo
Gazzeta: Probabile Formazione
Milan

12 Abbiati
15 Zambrotta
3 Maldini
4 Kaladze
18 Jankulovski
8 Gattuso
10 Seedorf
23 Ambrosini
22 Kakà
80 Ronaldinho
7 Pato

Inter


12 Julio Cesar
13 Maicon
2 Cordoba
23 Materazzi
26 Chivu
14 Vieira
19 Cambiasso
4 Zanetti
33 Mancini
8 Ibrahimovic
77 Quaresma
han2503
QUOTE (kizo @ Sep 28 2008, 11:51 AM) *
Gazzeta: Probabile Formazione
Milan

12 Abbiati
15 Zambrotta
3 Maldini
4 Kaladze
18 Jankulovski
8 Gattuso
10 Seedorf
23 Ambrosini
22 Kakà
80 Ronaldinho
7 Pato

The only question mark is still on who is going to partner Pato up front. I think Sheva will probably be the one to start and then make way in the second half for Dinho


Portman
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 27 2008, 01:47 PM) *
Is Julio Cruz injured or something, I haven't seen him yet this season! Hopefully he doesn't play, he's too smart for our defenders.

He scored the winner in Inter's last match.
CrazyMilanFan
@ gazzeta formation


ambro and rino ahead of flamini dry.gif
Ry4n
im glad Gazzetta are just guessing lol
TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (Warchant @ Sep 28 2008, 12:39 AM) *
i've been waiting for this game all week. we really need a big win out of this game.

can't wait!

+1
TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (PatitoFeo @ Sep 27 2008, 08:10 PM) *
I think that Paolo will have a good game tomorrow: Inter lacks forwards with blinding pace.

Plus, Paolo has aged very gracefully like a fine wine. Pace was never the name of his game, so his smarts should be enough. I am glad he is in the center and not on the wing, an experiment that failed (uggghhh Arsenal last year).

Maldini never relied on speed, but I clearly remember it being part of his game.
After all you have to have had some degree of speed to keep the likes of Marc Overmars underwraps.
Concerning Maldini getting playin time - I am kinda caught in the middle; I'm very neutral about it. Ater all the team comes first, and I also can't bare to see these still to be proven'star players' making a mockry of him at times, its not right. But then again I also love to see when at his age he is still capable of putting up a disputeable MOTM performance like in the CL match last season against Arsenal.
All in all - I love to see Maldini play still (especially when he out performs himself for his age), but I certainly can't bare to see Maldini playing at 60% of what we once knew him as. As a Milanfan we were spoilt having a great defence all the time, so I guess thats why when it has reached the point where it now has, is why it hurts so much.
vahid
QUOTE (kizo @ Sep 28 2008, 10:51 AM) *
Gazzeta: Probabile Formazione
Milan

12 Abbiati
15 Zambrotta
3 Maldini
4 Kaladze
18 Jankulovski
8 Gattuso
10 Seedorf
23 Ambrosini
22 Kakà
80 Ronaldinho
7 Pato


I'm sure Sheva will start ahead of Dinho.
Ry4n
3 Hours to go

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