Well today for instance....Nesta playing on the right wing..did lead to that goal...

We're not even going to UEFA Cup.

UEFA cup = less ambitions = less quality players

It's not that Bayern's tactic can be of an use for us. Cause everyone who watches german football knows exactly that there is Bayern München and the rest. If any ambitious German player or a player in the Bundesliga decides to move, it'll be Bayern or a new country. Cause no matter Bayern ended up 4th, there is no alternative and everybody knows that only Bayern can garantee you domestic titles and european matches on high level. Bayern have no contenders, just teams who can jump in if they're not in the mood.

In Italy it's different. There are players who decide to stay with the club they love no matter what (10%), then there are players who are fans of Lazio, Milan, Inter as kids and dream/wait for them to bid (25%) and there are players who simply are good and have to choose and make a judgment on which team will be more successfull. That's why players used to pick Milan over Inter. That can change. Crespo, Ibrahimovic, Suazo, etc. showed the way. If we loose CL, we'll have a much worse starting position in the negotiations. Why would Barzagli for ex., a "neutral player" (neither Inter or Milan fan) pick Milan over Inter? If he picks Inter he'll get a good paycheck, he'll be with the Italian Champs. or Coppa contenders and he'll play the CL. In Milan he can get the same as Palermo (UEFA cup or nothing), maybe a better paycheck and no titles. I know, we have tradition&history on our side, but that isn't just a good enough card to play. That's why we need the CL spot.

exactly. We gotta lose this attitude that big players want to play for milan just cause we are milan and we have been great in the past. It doesnt count for s*** now adays. Its whose got money and whose got champions league next season. Same reasons why suazo picked inter over us. He thought they would win the league and do good in cl.

Why would Mourinho come to this OLD team with only 1 young talent (Pato)!!!!

He would definitely choose Inter or Barca or Madrid over Milan. Plus no CL football!...

sigh my guess is Rikjaard coming to Milan, Mourinho to Barca.. and Milan playing in Uefa Cup

Ohhh,...

A. We don't need Mourinho
B. So Paloschi isn't a young talent as well?
C. Milan will play CL if we manage to concentrate and the others resume their downfall (Fiorentina)
D. IMO Rijkaard to Milan could happen, but a second try with Holland could be more realistic

Btw. why isn't anyone making comments on Carlo's words? He did surprise some of us here who expected the usual talk, didn't he?

^^^^

Not me really....


Carlo is like Nova (nope don't preen your chest...Greekie..not yet)...he'll defend his players provided they tried hard and fought and lost in the end.

He did it against Arsenal for instance. Coz he knew it wasn't coz his players didn't want to...they had nothing in the tank.

But today was different. He said so himself. The players made the same mistake again. It was not that we were outclassed in those goals. It's just that we lost concentration or whatever. Something that had already happened once. When it happened the first time, he made 'excuses' and said, we'll try and sort it out. Now that it's happening again...he's pissed naturally.

He expects a better attitude from his players. They're professionals, they shouldn't be like this. And how can you say fatigue, when you've been off a week long break.

I agree...

5 stars
it's true tho all this talk about how we need those older players to pass on this experience to the younger players. if anything they're teaching them how to be lazy and arrogant and the result is the next crop of young players couldnt care less about serie a.

well, it was a fun year...see you guys in the uefa cup!

Next year we shall look forward to serie A not UEFA cup or UCL IMO.......... the league is more important than anything to me

Post match mind the language that the best google can do





ALEXANDRE PATO:

"Unfortunately we do not have disputed a great game, we both wrong and we lost. They were able to be more concrete than us."

AMBROSINI:

"With regard to the direction arbitration believe after all what happened in the past, the arbitrators tend not to see suffer a certain psychological subjection with large teams and large stadiums seeking to be seen little housework. However arbitration This management must not become an excuse for our performance. Certainly there are many things that we can talk about our performance, but the first thing we can do is ask for an individual examination.
The only positive note of this day is that the position of ranking fourth down we have not lost points. Now we have seven games to play with the right spirit trying to find a game that unfortunately in San Siro we did see. I think it is a mental issue to be tackled together, we should increase attention, but in football sometimes are incidents that determine the game. "
ODDO:

"We have to assume our responsibility, we played badly and we deserved to lose. Our performance was bad, it had no aggression, there was little desire to win. From an arbitral there were oversights of outstanding, as said Dr. Galliani the provision of arbitrators was in line with that of Milan. personally on the first goal I felt pull down, we can be that the arbitrator has not seen, but I believe that with the collaboration of guardalinee could report the fault. Certainly the climate that welcomes us to San Siro is not the best in the Italian league so, not as is the case in England that if you lose and you are already downgraded the audience applauded equally, as we know. How welcome the joys of our audience in times of victory and celebration, we accept the whistles, but perhaps if arrived at the end of the first half or the end of the game would be better. The only way out from this situation is to work so much.

just woke up and...














it's not fair

Never loose hope!

Carlo suprised me really today...It was the first time he said that we need to buy new players...



IMO he doesn't really know what to change, because he wants to see what's happening on saturday...so he'll change nothing for the game against cagliari...
we really ought to win that one!!

Unfortunately, it's not the first time this month alone that Carlo's had to make that postmatch speech.

@ Fillipo

All I know is we WON'T go to the CL, time will tell...

FACT!

..it sure will. Till the end we can still hope and pray.

I did not comment on Gourcuff's quality. I'm just asking you a simple question and I'd like to have a simple answer: Do you think Brocchi and Emerson are better than Gourcuff? Yes, No, I don't know, just tell what you think.


When you're on a downfall, you have to go down to come up again... UEFA Cup would surely change some thing at Via Turati... CL I'm not quite sure!

In terms of talent? No. Gourcuff has more talent.

In terms of reliability? Gotta give that one to Brocchi and Emerson.

we will do a Bayern next season if we get UEFA Cup

what kind of reliability have they offered?

minus the spending

Guys, I'm not interested in getting into an argument about Gourcuff. I don't agree with your assessment of the guy, you don't agree with mine, so let's leave it at that.

I would say Emerson is more talented than Gourcuff. We shouldn't forget his achievements too fast. He was brillant for Leverkusen and Roma. The Emerson we see now is just a bad Brocchied version of his former self.

Besides that I'm with Teenie on the Gourcuff issue. Carlo is too much of a pro to hold Gourcuff cause of personal issues. In the end Carlo also wants to win (I start to doubt it's the same for Galliani) to keep his job. Gourcuff is not more than an overrated hope.

What was that movie when all the guys are saying, "That's the fact, Jack"?

come on. look at how poorly we've played this season, for gourcuff to get so few playing opportunities is inconceivable. if emerson and brocchi we're half decent i could understand.

He had some chances. But he never really made an impact IMO, while Paloschi used his limited time to get an excellent reputation.

The problem here is that gourcuff is a creative player and emerson and brocchi are defensive mids. In most cases carlo will not sub out seedorf or kaka ever unless he is putting on a foreward. Thats why gourcuff gets no time. However our dms like gattuso pirlo ambro are getting older and are getting tired very easily. Thats why someone like brocchi gets a chance to play or emerson.

If brocchi was like gourcuff an AM, he would never play.

and to add to the flame war:


yes gourcuff is clearly better than brocchi and emerson combined. He has good pace, dribbling, decent passing and a very powerful shot. Plus on that he has a pretty decent FK for someone around his age. Brocchi can shoot???? Emerson can take players out??? Am i missing anythign?

What does his age have to do with how good his free-kicks are?

so, same applies to emerson and brocchi.

and paloschi took his chance? good for him but i dont see how this should effect gourcuff cuz they both have different roles and positions. the point is pretty much everyone in the midfield have played poorly all season, even gourcuff. yet everyone gets more play than him, even when he played well and assisted on a goal he goes back to the old formula.

I agree there. It seems that a few of the players are untouchable, and they know it. The only time they won't play is because they can't - when they're injured.

so...?
it's not like seedorf and kaka are super human and can play 90 minutes every game... considering we only have 3 attacking mids you'd think the third one (gourcuff) would get some play once in a while. oh and seedorf is subbed every couple of games or so (often when were trailing) and who is it for normally? emerson or brocchi

oh and considering we're played most of the season with just two attacking options on the bench (gourcuff and inzaghi/gila) and also considering we all know and so does carlo that pippo and gila cant play together you'd think the logical attacking sub would be gourcuff for a defender/def mid and not to bring on pippo/gila.

I was talking about how carlo acts as a coach, not the logical choice. Gourcuff won't be given time under carlo no matter how you go about the situation. Not this season, and not next season.

And yes under carlo seedorf and kaka will play as long as possible.

Agh, awful awful awful performance. Awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, AWFUL.

I'll post my detailed comments later.

Even though i dont like your opinion, i think you are very right.

There's not much need. I'm sure what you already said sums it up prefectly.

(Great pic, by the way. )

We needed changes a couple of seasons ago it was plain for all to see but the management did nothing coz we were in CL. If we do qualify (am highly doubtful) this season, be sure that the management will do nothing..Galiani would say something like.."who said our players are old? this is a great team that achieves its objectives, we don't need any changes.."

By the way, i think Gourcuff is better than Brocchi+Emerson, Carlo doesn't know how to get the best out of him, just like he failed to get the best out of Henry in Juventus..! any objections???

Lol. The way we're playing, yes, it quite suits it. LLWL, 2-1, 2-1, rinse and repeat if necessary. We're lucky Fiorentina lost, today. One more performance like this against either Cagliari or Juve, and that'll be that. UEFA Cup here we come!

Why are we even trying to compare our DMs with Gourcuff? I agree with Tennie's assessment though - Brocchi and Emerson provide more reliability, Gourcuff has shown glipses of possessing more footballing talent in terms of creating things etc.

Either way, I very much doubt that if Gourcuff had started this game the result would have been drastically different.

^^^

+1.

Because given their respective duties....Emerson and Brocchi carry it on much better than Gourcuff.

To say the least, that's why I think going to UEFA cup will only do good to Milan in the long run. we all saw how ending up in the CL led to world class signings this season

How many of these polar bear pics do you have?

Of course Gourcuff wouldn't have done anything different than the rest of the team... We're talking long term. Anyways, let's forget it and move on. Our problem right now has become much deeper and bigger than Gourcuff.

^^

Sigh... +1

WHAT A DISCUSSION!

Atalanta thread completely hijacked. But let's go further on and make some comments,..


I allready explained why we won't be able to apply their strategy. It's simple Serie A teams>Bundesliga teams. We cannot offer to the players, players like Ribery, Ze Roberto, Klose, Toni or Borowski, the same Bayern did.


Wrong logic. Our board is stubborn and not flawless, but they are not imbeciles. They have certain ambitions - and it's evident that finishing barely 4th and being knocked-out from CL in phase 2 is a failiure. We don't need to reach the bottom to be back again next season on our feets. Not neccessary.


I do totally agree with Tennie and La Palma on this one. Being a Bundesliga fan for quite some time I must note that Emerson played well there, showed much talent, made assists, scored and did not exactly play a strict DM. It's Don Fabio who spoiled him and made him do the awfull job. This season, after a misfortune in Real and some injury problems, he's unrecognizable compared to the Leverkusen days. But this guy deserves certainly a chance and extra time, cause he's valuable and proved his ability. Brocchi? What to say. He's either a disaster or good. He can shoot, run, and his pass is more reliable the Yo's. While Gourcuff's basic passing skills are better, his attitude is different and he tends to complicate and eventually makes wrong passes. His crosses are way to strong.


Well, that's just a mean comment and not comparable situation. Any objections? Well, a few of them - for example, it was Carlo Ancelotti who gave Henry the chance and a starting player status. He played at first bad, but managed to overcome this and started scoring. Then Luciano Moggi stepped in. But here you are;

Still convinced Ancelotti did wrong with Henry?
Please, leave the man alone till season end, or at least try not to use past events to explain the present.

Remember the name!!Who da man??



I still think he's being crucified too harshly for his first failure in 7 years at the club. If you want , I think it's fair to put him on probation. Like next season. Given the team, Carlo has always delivered.

Like last season... pre and post Ronaldo.

Damn it! I hope they realize which team they're playing for starting this weekend!

I don't trust the board on signing good players. We haven't won the UEFA Cup so let's do it next season. I believe that right now it's difficult to say how the board would react on various scenarios, however change is needed. Wheter this means to fire ancelotti or replace some players I will leave unsaid but this is not a good tactic, Udinese is coming from behind and they don't have anything to lose. Meanwhile Maldini is upset with the crowd, but that works 2 ways, the crowd should support the team but it shouldn't be used as an excuse by the players.

Many Milanisti on San Siro are getting sick of this, and I recall that there was a steward that was screaming instead of watching the stands.