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maldini03
Now thats Respect ^^^

Seriously though i think that it was the perfect year to loose i mean with Maldini retiring and the end of an old era a new one is starting.

Also no disrespect Locke but who better to loose to than a bunch of kids?
Now thats Irony wink.gif
mishie
QUOTE (Porty @ Mar 4 2008, 09:57 PM)
-Out of Coppa (Catania)
-Out of Champions League (Arsenal)
-5th place with 26 matches played in Serie A, 18 points behind the leader and 5 points less than last year

Our squad is poor.
But the problem is that Ancelotti can't motivate the team anymore. He can't.

We need a revolution: new players and new staff in. New blood in.

Berlusconi looked really pissed off the end of the match. It's good. Because now we know this era is over and Mourinho will be our coach by June.  smile.gif
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agree with everything apart from Mourinho as coach
m1ke
Watch the language please guys (I know a lot of you are upset).

Over the two legs, Arsenal clearly deserved to advance. This wasn't the Milan we're used to seeing, and like some have mentioned, could do with freshening up in the summer. The current squad have had a wonderful run and we shouldn't turn on them just because they got beaten by a young, hungry side.

I'll post my ratings etc tomorrow morning, going to go drink lots now.

PS. Congrats again to Arsenal - make sure you make it to Moscow after this.
whoarethepatriots
This squad needs to be ripped from its core. Violently.

I will probably post more in the moring, when i have an epiphany

I am not too distraught, as i secretly wanted this result, so wholesale changes could be made.

Again i hope this forces the board into action
Tennie
^^^ What Porty said, with Mishie's qualification.

No thanks to Mourinho.
LaPalma
QUOTE (Porty @ Mar 4 2008, 10:57 PM)
-Out of Coppa (Catania)
-Out of Champions League (Arsenal)
-5th place with 26 matches played in Serie A, 18 points behind the leader and 5 points less than last year

Our squad is poor.
But the problem is that Ancelotti can't motivate the team anymore. He can't.

We need a revolution: new players and new staff in. New blood in.

Berlusconi looked really pissed off the end of the match. It's good. Because now we know this era is over and Mourinho will be our coach by Junesmile.gif
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Hopefully not puke.gif

But something has to be done though. 6 or 7 new players would be nice. Get rid of useless players (Favalli, Gourcuff (yes!), Kaladze, Emerson, Gila...)
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (bigmacmtl @ Mar 4 2008, 10:51 PM)
it's not the individual performance. it's their attitude really, i dint see any motivation all year long. FFS, maldini was the most motivated player on the team!

the only ones who showed up for this was kaka and maldini. our whole season is supposedly about winning this trophy, well they dint show that at all.

oh ya and theres also the fact that they've been shite all year, maybe 2 or 3 good performances.
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No motivation in Pato? Kaladze? Oddo? Nesta? All of them were motivated. The problems are as usual - a moody Pirlo who breaks down when under heavy attack, a Gattuso who lost pace and presence and a unreliable keeper. To be fair, Kalac saved us twice before his mistake. But we need a keeper that 'll save us for the whole 90 minutes.

We played a typicall Milan match for this season. Copy paste comments from the Lazio, Siena, Catania, etc. games. No need to describe our mistakes and faults.

Nobody, I repeat, NOBODY except Gilardino needs to go. We just need a better mix, we need a mix of super-experienced players who allready won everything and new, fresh, hungry players. That's all. Put in a Pirlo-Kaka-V.der Vaart triangle and Gattuso and Emerson back and you'll see everything will work. Carlo's tactic, our play, everything. It's simple..
maldini03
Anyone know where i can watch the Fenerbache Sevilla game hoping for Fenerbache i bet on them lol
acid911
QUOTE (bigmacmtl @ Mar 5 2008, 02:55 AM)
Milan was asking for it and they paid for it with the Fabregas goal.

They asked for it two weeks ago in the Emirates stadium with zero attacks mounted. I'd have taken 3-2 at Old Trafford again this time without blinking. At least you have two away goals to show, and extra motivation in the return leg. We played like 19 year old boys in their first European campaign, huh.gif and Arsenal (and Wegner) showed they had a game plan. The winner deserved it.
whoarethepatriots
We bought our Serie A form into this match. If i wasnt a Milanfan, i would have swore Arsenal were the home team

Another depressingly poor Home match
bigmacmtl
how can anyone want carlo back? look at him, he sits there like he's waiting for something to happen. for kaka to ball from the halfway line and dibble past 4 players and nutmeg the keeper... oh wait that happened last year.... he does NOTHING to change the flow of the game. he just sits there and hopes for the best.

all he does is mope about the refs, praise the team for ineffectiveness oh and use the only two formations he knows of, not mention he's a great motivator...

hes got good relations with he players, great reason to keep him...
Portman
QUOTE (Tennie @ Mar 4 2008, 10:00 PM)
^^^ What Porty said, with Mishie's qualification.

No thanks to Mourinho.
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You can write that down if you want. Mourinho will be our coach next Summer.
Jack Sparrow
I'll post my thoughts in detail tomorrow. 4 am here. We were outplayed. Arsenal were deserved winners. No suprise though, i knew we weren't in it the moment seedorf was out. Kaka and pato are our spearheads not our creators. So this is it. This is how an era ends, no heroic last feats of strength, no fireworks, just a meek goodbye, a soft plop. I'm sorry paolo. cry.gif
KillerMax
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 4 2008, 04:01 PM)
unreliable keeper. To be fair, Kalac saved us twice before his mistake. But we need a keeper that 'll save us for the whole 90 minutes.

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What? He was great and none of the goals were his fault. Your opinion of Kalac is biased.
mishie
QUOTE (Porty @ Mar 4 2008, 10:04 PM)
You can write that down if you want. Mourinho will be our coach next Summer.
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no way will he be our coach next season
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (m1ke @ Mar 4 2008, 10:58 PM)
Watch the language please guys (I know a lot of you are upset).

Over the two legs, Arsenal clearly deserved to advance. This wasn't the Milan we're used to seeing, and like some have mentioned, could do with freshening up in the summer. The current squad have had a wonderful run and we shouldn't turn on them just because they got beaten by a young, hungry side.

I'll post my ratings etc tomorrow morning, going to go drink lots now.

PS. Congrats again to Arsenal - make sure you make it to Moscow after this.
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BRAVO!!!

You manage to make the balance. You're not as biased as I am but also not that desperate to be sarcastic. Just like Tennie. Bravo to both of you!!
maldini03
QUOTE (bigmacmtl @ Mar 4 2008, 02:03 PM)
how can anyone want carlo back? look at him, he sits there like he's waiting for something to happen. for kaka to ball from the halfway line and dibble past 4 players and nutmeg the keeper... oh wait that happened last year.... he does NOTHING to change the flow of the game. he just sits there and hopes for the best.

all he does is mope about the refs, praise the team for ineffectiveness oh and use the only two formations he knows of, not mention he's a great motivator...

hes got good relations with he players, great reason to keep him...
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First off back? we never lost him second did you see the bench? What could he have done? Gourcuff? yep he is reliable or Brocchi? Emerson?
No we need new players a fuller (is that a word?) squad and stronger starters.
Ambrosini was dismal the worst player on the field tonight sad.gif
whoarethepatriots
One last thing to say before i head off

We need to take a ruthless pragmatic approach and not be rules by naive idealism and loyalty

Some players have clearly been past their peak for a while, while some were bought in past their peak. We cannot say, lets keep "xyz" because he is friendly, we must be more ruthless with players

Its gonna be a long wait till june/july now

EDIT: Ambro was not the worst player, it was Inzaghi/Gila or Pirlo
bigmacmtl
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 4 2008, 05:01 PM)
No motivation in Pato? Kaladze? Oddo? Nesta? All of them were motivated. The problems are as usual - a moody Pirlo who breaks down when under heavy attack, a Gattuso who lost pace and presence and a unreliable keeper. To be fair, Kalac saved us twice before his mistake. But we need a keeper that 'll save us for the whole 90 minutes.

We played a typicall Milan match for this season. Copy paste comments from the Lazio, Siena, Catania, etc. games. No need to describe our mistakes and faults.

Nobody, I repeat, NOBODY except Gilardino needs to go. We just need a better mix, we need a mix of super-experienced players who allready won everything and new, fresh, hungry players. That's all. Put in a Pirlo-Kaka-V.der Vaart triangle and Gattuso and Emerson back and you'll see everything will work. Carlo's tactic, our play, everything. It's simple..
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pato he wasnt lazy or anything but it certainly wasnt a good performance. nesta was very good, look at kaladze on the sendros chance or the 2nd goal... anyways that besides the point. motivation doesnt reall factor in with them, you dont need that extra umph to be a defender, since you dont really have a choice when you have a forward barreling down on you. oddo motivated? he did nothing all game, did he even cross it once?
jefri91
Just wanted to say, even though we lost and getting angry seems to be the best thing to do but this is football. When you hit rock bottom you half to work you're way up to the top again. Don't let this loss be a disadvantage let it be an advantage for the good of the team for following years...
Tennie
QUOTE (Porty @ Mar 4 2008, 06:04 PM)
You can write that down if you want. Mourinho will be our coach next Summer.
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I really don't think Mourinho (and Mike would probably ban me if I wrote what I really think of the man. Loathsome toad is putting it nicely) will be coaching Milan next summer. That said, if he is, I'm on record as having promised to buy and wear a Juve jersey. I'll probably pick a Buffon jersey to make it palatable.

Porty, are you up for a bet on this one? Nic changes if it happens or, alternately, doesn't?

Mine to...IHeartJose ?
Yours to...Portikins?
Nova
Guys , friends , fellow Milanfans ...

I'm so dissapointed . Not cause we got eliminated , but HOW we got eliminated. Arsenal outplayed us , simple as that. And they deserved it !!

I could blaime Pirlo for the goal , since he was our worst player out there and his pathetic loss lead to their goal.

But I won't , this whole team is to blaim. Where was the fighting spirit , the grid , the anger & pain of seeing Inter on top of serie A. Like when we played Man utd , that was beautifull !!

Now we go out and they (Milan) should be ashamed of theirselves for this pathetic display.
LaPalma
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Mar 4 2008, 11:07 PM)
What? He was great and none of the goals were his fault. Your opinion of Kalac is biased.
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The first one was his fault was without a doubt his fault he was as fast on the ground as a train barrier dry.gif
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Mar 4 2008, 11:07 PM)
What? He was great and none of the goals were his fault. Your opinion of Kalac is biased.
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The Fabregas goal was hardly a unstoppable one. Dida in his best days would have deflected the shot. Gigi would have held that one.

Course, we did not loose cause of Kalac. No way! He's a freekin' miracle. I'm not being biased on Kalac I just know much more about this keeper and saw him play many more times then most of you here so I really can judge him and predict the outcome.
bigmacmtl
QUOTE (maldini03 @ Mar 4 2008, 05:07 PM)
First off back? we never lost him second did you see the bench? What could he have done? Gourcuff? yep he is reliable or Brocchi? Emerson?
No we need new players a fuller (is that a word?) squad and stronger starters.
Ambrosini was dismal the worst player on the field tonight sad.gif
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gourcuff why not?

the point is he does nothing. he may not have a klot of options but he does have some. sitting on his *** dint exactly work.

and the ONLY reaons we won last year was 100% kaka and everyone knows that.

take away kaka's brilliance, even with pirlo on his game and milan is very average and the coach certainly isnt helping.

as soon as the coach totally relies on 1 or 2 players to do anything, it's not a good sign...
whoarethepatriots
Sometimes things have to get worse before they get better
omahawi
To be honest there were only a couple of players on the pitch who played poorly. Inzaghi because we couldn't get him the ball. Ambro had a horrible time passing. Other then that everyone had at least a decent to good game. commendable job by oddo on manuel. He had his hands full all night and did brilliantly.

Most of the players were playing with some real fire. They were going full out. The main problem why we couldn't control the game is we couldn't pass at times to save our lives. Kaka was guilty of this. This has been an on going issue all year long.

I would rather loose by a great goal then loose by fluff. I have seen Cesc hit those types of shots all year long and he showed once again why he should be a regular with the national team.

Time to revamp. build the team around kaka & pato with a group of young go getters. This off season better be exciting.
kurtsimonw
Ambro the worst player? Nah, Pirlo was the worst. he made my dog look like a World class player tonight.
LaPalma
QUOTE (Tennie @ Mar 4 2008, 11:08 PM)
I really don't think Mourinho (and Mike would probably ban me if I wrote what I really think of the man. Loathsome toad is putting it nicely) will be coaching Milan next summer. That said, if he is, I'm on record as having promised to buy and wear a Juve jersey. I'll probably pick a Buffon jersey to make it palatable.

Porty, are you up for a bet on this one? Nic changes if it happens or, alternately, doesn't?

Mine to...IHeartJose ?
Yours to...Portikins?
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What Teenie said. Exactly what she said. (Now I'm hijacking too Jack. One could say I hijack your hijack tactics).
Except for the part with the Juve jersey. I'll buy (and wear[and post a pic of it]) a Bayern shirt and to make things even worse....it'll be a Mark van Bommel shirt!
kaka_sheva
QUOTE (bigmacmtl @ Mar 4 2008, 05:11 PM)
gourcuff why not?

the point is he does nothing. he may not have a klot of options but he does have some. sitting on his *** dint exactly work.

and the ONLY reaons we won last year was 100% kaka and everyone knows that.

take away kaka's brilliance, even with pirlo on his game and milan is very average and the coach certainly isnt helping.

as soon as the coach totally relies on 1 or 2 players to do anything, it's not a good sign...
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another thing i've noticed is that Kaka + Seedorf (even if we have just one strikier) produce excellent results and work really well together!! (IMO)
LaPalma
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 4 2008, 11:11 PM)
The Fabregas goal was hardly a unstoppable one. Dida in his best days would have deflected the shot. Gigi would have held that one.

Course, we did not loose cause of Kalac. No way! He's a freekin' miracle. I'm not being biased on Kalac I just know much more about this keeper and saw him play many more times then most of you here so I really can judge him and predict the outcome.
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Compared to that Kalac that played one WC game for Australia in 2006 this one was better than a Gigi Buffon-Oliver Kahn-Lew Yaschin hybrid!

But this goal still was his fault.
Portman
QUOTE (Tennie @ Mar 4 2008, 10:08 PM)
I really don't think Mourinho (and Mike would probably ban me if I wrote what I really think of the man. Loathsome toad is putting it nicely) will be coaching Milan next summer. That said, if he is, I'm on record as having promised to buy and wear a Juve jersey. I'll probably pick a Buffon jersey to make it palatable.

Porty, are you up for a bet on this one? Nic changes if it happens or, alternately, doesn't?

Mine to...IHeartJose ?
Yours to...Portikins?

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I'm in. cool.gif

You'll lose this bet and you know it.
Locke Lamora
QUOTE (Porty @ Mar 4 2008, 11:04 PM)
You can write that down if you want. Mourinho will be our coach next Summer.
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Remember in September, when you said Tottenham would "finish above Arsenal no doubt"... wink.gif


Anyway, here's an "outsider" viewpoint of this Milan...
Kalac did well, don't even dare to blame him. Nesta and Oddo were pretty good, and Kaladze didn't do bad at all. Maldini was motm, at least for Milan.
The problem was midfield and attack.
Pirlo looked bored from 25 minutes and on, Gattuso were actually a bit invisible, Ambrosini wasn't up to this standard at ALL, and Kaka, while brilliant, seemed to get frustrated and wave his arms in complaint each time another player came near him. Inzaghi did nothing, and while Pato is fast and has great ball control, he had like no support most of the game and just couldn't cut it against Arsenal's defence.
Gilardino competed with Gattuso for the "invisible man of the match" award.
bigmacmtl
QUOTE (kaka_sheva @ Mar 4 2008, 05:13 PM)
another thing i've noticed is that Kaka + Seedorf (even if we have just one strikier) produce excellent results and work really well together!! (IMO)
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but there we go, we need to have all our starting 11 to even have a chance. not the sign of a great side. seedorf is more of burden than a help for the team. why would we wanna keep a player that only performs in the big games.

i agree last year the two were great together but only in a few games.
Zed.D
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Mar 5 2008, 01:42 AM)
Ambro the worst player? Nah, Pirlo was the worst. he made my dog look like a World class player tonight.
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O my god, that changed my mood for a few seconds! laugh.gif

QUOTE (Porty @ Mar 5 2008, 01:27 AM)
Berlusconi looked really pissed off the end of the match. It's good. Because now we know this era is over and Mourinho will be our coach by June.  smile.gif
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QUOTE (Porty @ Mar 5 2008, 01:34 AM)
You can write that down if you want. Mourinho will be our coach next Summer.
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I hope so...
mishie
QUOTE (Porty @ Mar 4 2008, 10:17 PM)
I'm in.  cool.gif

You'll lose this bet and you know it.
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i wanna piece of the action to!! laugh.gif
Portman
QUOTE (Locke Lamora @ Mar 4 2008, 10:17 PM)
Remember in September, when you said Tottenham would "finish above Arsenal no doubt"... wink.gif

Remember Tottenham already won a trophy this year and Arsenal will win shite. smile.gif
bigmacmtl
QUOTE (Locke Lamora @ Mar 4 2008, 05:17 PM)
Remember in September, when you said Tottenham would "finish above Arsenal no doubt"... wink.gif
Anyway, here's an "outsider" viewpoint of this Milan...
Kalac did well, don't even dare to blame him. Nesta and Oddo were pretty good, and Kaladze didn't do bad at all. Maldini was motm, at least for Milan.
The problem was midfield and attack.
Pirlo looked bored from 25 minutes and on, Gattuso were actually a bit invisible, Ambrosini wasn't up to this standard at ALL, and Kaka, while brilliant, seemed to get frustrated and wave his arms in complaint each time another player came near him. Inzaghi did nothing, and while Pato is fast and has great ball control, he had like no support most of the game and just couldn't cut it against Arsenal's defence.
Gilardino competed with Gattuso for the "invisible man of the match" award.
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how can yous say that when he played 20 minutes and milan gave up after the goal rolleyes.gif
KillerMax
QUOTE (LaPalma @ Mar 4 2008, 04:16 PM)
But this goal still was his fault.
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How many miracle saves do you expect from a goalkeeper in one game? That was a very very hard shot to stop. He was voted as man of the match by the way. rolleyes.gif

Remember Dida against Inter? If Fabregas's goal was mistake by Kalac... Then what the hell was Dida's?
LaPalma
QUOTE (Porty @ Mar 4 2008, 11:19 PM)
Remember Tottenham already won a trophy this year and Arsenal will win shite.  smile.gif
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You really like to keep up that prophet image of yours don't you? ohmy.gif
mishie
QUOTE (Porty @ Mar 4 2008, 10:19 PM)
Remember Tottenham already won a trophy this year and Arsenal will win shite.  smile.gif
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the carling cup is worth even less than the coppa italia!!
bigmacmtl
btw if dida was in goal the game would have ended 4-0, the fabregas goal would have surely gone in.
Locke Lamora
QUOTE (bigmacmtl @ Mar 4 2008, 11:19 PM)
how can yous say that when he played 20 minutes and milan gave up after the goal rolleyes.gif
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Yeah, but I saw Gattuso twice, once in the starting line-up and once when he made a tackle. I think I saw Gilardino after the match, but it could have been Oddo.


@Porty, the Carling Cup?
I'll take a CL quarter-final over the Carling Cup any day...
LaPalma
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Mar 4 2008, 11:19 PM)
How many miracle saves do you expect from a goalkeeper in one game? That was a very very hard shot to stop. He was voted as man of the match by the way.  rolleyes.gif

Remember Dida against Inter? If Fabregas's goal was mistake by Kalac... Then what the hell was Dida's?
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Haven't said anything against his performance in general. He was good...except for that goal. Did I compare him to Dida? I would have sold Dida already....he was a joke in the derby.
omahawi
Kalac was faily impressive. The only criticism on the goal tha mattered was that he could have been a few yards out farther to cut down the angle. But when you look at it again. Who the hell shoots like that from 37 yards out with a defender running with him? Kalac was expecting Cesc to come in a bit. If we had Dida in net we would have been down 2 - nil at half.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Porty @ Mar 4 2008, 11:17 PM)
I'm in.  cool.gif

You'll lose this bet and you know it.
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I'm also in.. cool.gif

NO MOURINHO - new avatar; or the other way round,..
Portman
QUOTE (LaPalma @ Mar 4 2008, 10:20 PM)
You really like to keep up that prophet image of yours don't you? ohmy.gif
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You don't need to be a prophet to look at our squad and predict in early September that we'll have a pathetic season. Quite easy to be honest.

Everybody saw that. In October we were our of the title race. End of October. rolleyes.gif

QUOTE (mishie @ Mar 4 2008, 10:22 PM)
the carling cup is worth even less than the coppa italia!!
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Ending the season without trophies is a bit worse.
Zed.D
I'm wondering, how can someone blame Kalac? just tell me how? un-fvcking-believable!!
LaPalma
QUOTE (omahawi @ Mar 4 2008, 11:23 PM)
Kalac was faily impressive. The only criticism on the goal tha mattered was that he could have been a few yards out farther to cut down the angle. But when you look at it again. Who the hell shoots like that from 37 yards out with a defender running with him? Kalac was expecting Cesc to come in a bit. If we had Dida in net we would have been down 2 - nil at half.
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It was a nice shot....but not an unstoppable one. There are many players that could have scored this goal on a good day. But Zejlko was just not prepared for it. But then he was the one to keep us in the game till then.
Portman
QUOTE (Locke Lamora @ Mar 4 2008, 10:22 PM)
@Porty, the Carling Cup?
I'll take a CL quarter-final over the Carling Cup any day...
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What quarter-final? You'll be out soon. Talking like Arsenal is going to win anything this season. Milan at least won 2 trophies (yeah, nobody cares about those 2 but anyway... 2 trophies).

And you'll end trophyless.
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