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Plus, Spain with Del Bosque played much much slower then Aragoneses team.
Yep, not disagreeing with that last, Fillipo.
I've now re-watched the game and think that one of the Spanish players not talked about much who I think did rather well was Busquets. He was victim of quite a few fouls of an unkind nature - and gave out a few himself, but he didn't get rattled and got on with his job. I remember one bad pass and Robben getting past him once -- but nothing that caused lasting damage. Pretty remarkable given that he's just 21.
This fish thinks he's more than made up for the negative cookies earned when he did his dive-and-look-to-see-if-the-ref-is-watching thing in the CL against inert.
I've now re-watched the game and think that one of the Spanish players not talked about much who I think did rather well was Busquets. He was victim of quite a few fouls of an unkind nature - and gave out a few himself, but he didn't get rattled and got on with his job. I remember one bad pass and Robben getting past him once -- but nothing that caused lasting damage. Pretty remarkable given that he's just 21.
This fish thinks he's more than made up for the negative cookies earned when he did his dive-and-look-to-see-if-the-ref-is-watching thing in the CL against inert.
Please stop talking about it. I think I'm qualified to enter a competition with Porty on who hates Barca more.
Sanctimonious b_tards!! AAAAAAAAARRRRGHHHHH!!!!
Sanctimonious b_tards!! AAAAAAAAARRRRGHHHHH!!!!
This is from goal.com. I hope his words are translated accurately.
I take what I said about him back, he's not a hypocrite!
That's why I said Webb is no Rosetti.
Rosetti would have undoubtedly given a straight red to De Jong for that kick. he was never afraid send players off when they deserved to. remember the sending off of Robben in the CL semi final...
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World Cup 2010: Dutch Legend Johan Cruyff Criticises Netherlands 'Anti-Football' & Referee Howard Webb
Referee invented his own application of the rules...
Dutch football legend Johan Cruyff has criticised the Netherlands playing style in their World Cup final defeat to Spain.
Wesley Sneijder and Dirk Kuyt were the Oranje's only outfield players in their starting 11 not to be booked by referee Howard Webb, while Johnny Heitinga saw red in extra-time for a second bookable offence as the Dutch abandoned the total football philosophy synonymous with Cruyff's name.
Nigel de Jong and Mark van Bommel were also lucky to stay on the field with the Manchester City midfielder, in particular, fortunate to see out the tie after an horrendous kung-fu style kick to the chest of Xabi Alonso.
"Regrettably, sadly, they played very dirty. So much so that they should have been down to nine immediately, they made two ugly and hard tackles that even I felt the damage.
"This ugly, vulgar, hard, hardly eye-catching, lack of football style served the Dutch to unsettle Spain. If with this they got satisfaction, fine, but they ended up losing," he wrote in his column in El Periodico de Catalunya.
"Some practiced anti- football considering that it was the only way to survive. It finished 0-0 [after 90 minutes] because they [Spain] could not play as they wanted."
Cruyff was also critical of referee Webb for not adhering to the rules of the game, which would have seen at least two Dutch players sent off, claiming that the English official invented his own interpretation of the rules.
"You can referee badly, but what cannot do is create your own type of justice and, worse, invent a personal application of the rules," Cruyff declared.
"Not only did he fail to expel two Dutchmen, including Robben who deserved the second yellow, he also looked the other way at times in which he had to get involved. A World Cup final deserves a big referee, but above all, it deserves a referee who dares to do everything it means to be judge."
Referee invented his own application of the rules...
Dutch football legend Johan Cruyff has criticised the Netherlands playing style in their World Cup final defeat to Spain.
Wesley Sneijder and Dirk Kuyt were the Oranje's only outfield players in their starting 11 not to be booked by referee Howard Webb, while Johnny Heitinga saw red in extra-time for a second bookable offence as the Dutch abandoned the total football philosophy synonymous with Cruyff's name.
Nigel de Jong and Mark van Bommel were also lucky to stay on the field with the Manchester City midfielder, in particular, fortunate to see out the tie after an horrendous kung-fu style kick to the chest of Xabi Alonso.
"Regrettably, sadly, they played very dirty. So much so that they should have been down to nine immediately, they made two ugly and hard tackles that even I felt the damage.
"This ugly, vulgar, hard, hardly eye-catching, lack of football style served the Dutch to unsettle Spain. If with this they got satisfaction, fine, but they ended up losing," he wrote in his column in El Periodico de Catalunya.
"Some practiced anti- football considering that it was the only way to survive. It finished 0-0 [after 90 minutes] because they [Spain] could not play as they wanted."
Cruyff was also critical of referee Webb for not adhering to the rules of the game, which would have seen at least two Dutch players sent off, claiming that the English official invented his own interpretation of the rules.
"You can referee badly, but what cannot do is create your own type of justice and, worse, invent a personal application of the rules," Cruyff declared.
"Not only did he fail to expel two Dutchmen, including Robben who deserved the second yellow, he also looked the other way at times in which he had to get involved. A World Cup final deserves a big referee, but above all, it deserves a referee who dares to do everything it means to be judge."
I take what I said about him back, he's not a hypocrite!
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A World Cup final deserves a big referee, but above all, it deserves a referee who dares to do everything it means to be judge
That's why I said Webb is no Rosetti.
Rosetti would have undoubtedly given a straight red to De Jong for that kick. he was never afraid send players off when they deserved to. remember the sending off of Robben in the CL semi final...
"The Dream Team"
Manuel Neuer
Sergio Ramos-Carles Puyol-Lucio-Maicon
Xavi-Wesley Sneijder
Mesut Özil
David Villa - Diego Forlan - Thomas Müller
No to Lucio and Maicon , I rather take Lahm and Bronckhorst.
Can anyone translate what they're saying??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF4xY-ngSso...feature=related
See this! better quality (damn, she's hot!), the translation is in the description.
See this! better quality (damn, she's hot!), the translation is in the description.
QUOTE (samira @ Jul 13 2010, 11:47 AM) 
"The Dream Team"
Manuel Neuer
Sergio Ramos-Carles Puyol-Lucio-Maicon
Xavi-Wesley Sneijder
Mesut Özil
David Villa - Diego Forlan - Thomas Müller
No to Lucio and Maicon , I rather take Lahm and Bronckhorst.
People overrate young players. Muller deserves it, but the other 2 Germans don't, Ozil over Iniesta, really?
Indeed. IMO Mesut had a fine tournament, but he wasn't that good. Same for Neuer.
Agreed. Schweinsteiger on the other hand was brilliant. Same for Friedrich who was the IMO the biggest positive surprise of this tournament (from my point of view).
Schwensteiger was just a few votes away.
Have you seen when Barce.. sorry I mean Spain was celebrating and they put a Barcelona shirt on Fabregas?
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Have you seen when Barce.. sorry I mean Spain was celebrating and they put a Barcelona shirt on Fabregas?
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I think my favorite post of the WC was Kurt's belief that the vuvuzelas would cease after South Africa were eliminated. Oh, how wrong he was. 
My only hope is that vuvuzelas won't spread around the world now and become part of football matches all over the world. That would be...very bad.
You can borrow some of my earmuffs, Fillipo! They're good at blocking my person's fangirl squeals, surely they'll work for vuvuzelas!
QUOTE (samira @ Jul 13 2010, 10:13 PM)
Have you seen when Barce.. sorry I mean Spain was celebrating and they put a Barcelona shirt on Fabregas?
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What a dickish thing to do.
Because of that, I hope he doesn't go and people say it was Barcelona players that saved Spain..
well what about Ramos and Casillias? He plays in Real Madrid and saved all of Robbens big chances. David Villa just started Barcelona and played in Valencia, that should not even count.
well he did get help from Xavi and Iniesta
but I can go on and on.
edit: here's one in an english version, btw in 23 he means all the 23 players.
well what about Ramos and Casillias? He plays in Real Madrid and saved all of Robbens big chances. David Villa just started Barcelona and played in Valencia, that should not even count.
well he did get help from Xavi and Iniesta
but I can go on and on.edit: here's one in an english version, btw in 23 he means all the 23 players.
Seems like the 08/09 season got to their heads, Barca seem to have become club football's equivalent of Brazil, seemingly thinking they have some kind of divine right to have it their way and acting like spoilt little bas*ards when they don't get it (see this year's CL-semi at Camp Nou. Tossers).
As for Reina, well... have fun in the Europa League next season.
As for Reina, well... have fun in the Europa League next season.
It was a tacky thing to do (the barca tshirt on Cesc) but consider the source. Pique is a very good centerback but he's got the maturity of a 5 year old. And during the tshirt incident, he was roaring drunk. Not excusing it but providing a little context.
QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Jul 15 2010, 01:58 AM)
It was a tacky thing to do (the barca tshirt on Cesc) but consider the source. Pique is a very good centerback but he's got the maturity of a 5 year old. And during the tshirt incident, he was roaring drunk. Not excusing it but providing a little context.
And Reina and Puyol, what are their excuses?
Anyway, I'm still not sure why they are so desperate to get Fabregas. Their club is in financial disorder to say the least, and how do you fit Xavi, Iniesta and Fabregas into the same formation?
QUOTE (Locke Lamora @ Jul 15 2010, 03:46 PM)
And Reina and Puyol, what are their excuses?
Anyway, I'm still not sure why they are so desperate to get Fabregas. Their club is in financial disorder to say the least, and how do you fit Xavi, Iniesta and Fabregas into the same formation?
Anyway, I'm still not sure why they are so desperate to get Fabregas. Their club is in financial disorder to say the least, and how do you fit Xavi, Iniesta and Fabregas into the same formation?
Ditto. Barca already have their midfield covered with Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta. They should be looking for a defensive midfielder to cover Yaya Toure's departure rather than go for Fabregas.
Um. X-Off, Busquets is a DM.
Well Fabregas is pissed off , he thought it was a flag and Poyul sayed all night " come to Barcelona"
Howard Webb got theratened after the final, Neatherland says , "this was exacly what we feared, a game was based on a ref that was reffring antifootball"
Howard Webb got theratened after the final, Neatherland says , "this was exacly what we feared, a game was based on a ref that was reffring antifootball"
QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Jul 15 2010, 04:03 PM)
Um. X-Off, Busquets is a DM.
I never said he wasn't. I said they should be looking for someone to replace Yaya Toure as they're one player short now.
But replace him how? Busquets played in Toure's position much of the year. Or do you mean a sub?
Yes, I meant a sub.
I'm not totally sure if this should go here or the transfers thread. 
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(CNN) -- Football fans in Madrid are used to getting their way when it comes to attracting the world's best talent.
Last summer, Real Madrid, the world's most successful club, splashed out more than $200 million to bring former world players of the year Cristiano Ronaldo and Kaka to the city.
Now the city's aquarium has launched an audacious bid to bring the unlikely star of the recent World Cup to the Spanish capital with a "name your price" offer for Paul the octopus -- the psychic cephalopod who correctly predicted Spain's triumph at the tournament.
In an announcement on its blog Thursday, Madrid Zoo Aquarium said it had begun making the "necessary arrangements" for Paul's transfer and had offered to beat any offer already on the table.
Zookeepers said they were also ready to offer other animals in exchange for the octopus and said Paul could expect the "best care" befitting of a national hero.
Last summer, Real Madrid, the world's most successful club, splashed out more than $200 million to bring former world players of the year Cristiano Ronaldo and Kaka to the city.
Now the city's aquarium has launched an audacious bid to bring the unlikely star of the recent World Cup to the Spanish capital with a "name your price" offer for Paul the octopus -- the psychic cephalopod who correctly predicted Spain's triumph at the tournament.
In an announcement on its blog Thursday, Madrid Zoo Aquarium said it had begun making the "necessary arrangements" for Paul's transfer and had offered to beat any offer already on the table.
Zookeepers said they were also ready to offer other animals in exchange for the octopus and said Paul could expect the "best care" befitting of a national hero.
Thats pretty sad.
It's not sad, it's downright pathetic. Oh, the number of worthy causes that money could be used for instead.
Plus isn't the octopus estimated to have 6 months left?
6 months? Nah, he's only a baby, they get pretty big.
I read something about that a while ago. Did Paul actually predict Germany would loose from Spain ?
If so, then good move
If so, then good move
QUOTE (Protagonist @ Jul 17 2010, 01:10 AM)
I read something about that a while ago. Did Paul actually predict Germany would loose from Spain ?
If so, then good move
If so, then good move
he was 100%
100 % WC and 80 in the Euros I think.
Emile Heskey Retires from International Football
Typical Emile, once again putting himself in the firing line to deflect it away from his teammates.
People joke about Heskey alot and it's pretty harsh (despite him at his very, very worst being 10 times better than us at our very, very best), but here are some facts.
*Heskey played twice in our disasterous Euro 2008 campaign, we didn't qualify. (we won both games 3-0 against Israel and Russia).
*Heskey played in 8 games in WC qualifying, we qualified with ease. (We won 7 of the 8 games Heskey played)
*With Heskey, England win 70% of games, without Heskey, England won 60% of games.
*Leicester City's only trophy was in 1964. Heskey broke into the team as a 17 year old, in the next 4 years Leicester were promoted to the EPL, never finished outside the top 10 and won 2 Cups.
*Emile Heskey joined Liverpool for the 2000/01 season, they finished 3rd and played in the European Cup for the first time since 1985.
*In Emile's first full season at Villa, we finished 6th and made 2 Wembley appearances.. this is only the 2nd time ever that Villa have made at least the SFs in both Cups and finished in the top 6.
But it's all just a coincidence, honest.
Oh, and of course, thanks for your part in one of the best nights ever.
"5-1, even Hesley scored"
Typical Emile, once again putting himself in the firing line to deflect it away from his teammates.
People joke about Heskey alot and it's pretty harsh (despite him at his very, very worst being 10 times better than us at our very, very best), but here are some facts.
*Heskey played twice in our disasterous Euro 2008 campaign, we didn't qualify. (we won both games 3-0 against Israel and Russia).
*Heskey played in 8 games in WC qualifying, we qualified with ease. (We won 7 of the 8 games Heskey played)
*With Heskey, England win 70% of games, without Heskey, England won 60% of games.
*Leicester City's only trophy was in 1964. Heskey broke into the team as a 17 year old, in the next 4 years Leicester were promoted to the EPL, never finished outside the top 10 and won 2 Cups.
*Emile Heskey joined Liverpool for the 2000/01 season, they finished 3rd and played in the European Cup for the first time since 1985.
*In Emile's first full season at Villa, we finished 6th and made 2 Wembley appearances.. this is only the 2nd time ever that Villa have made at least the SFs in both Cups and finished in the top 6.
But it's all just a coincidence, honest.
Oh, and of course, thanks for your part in one of the best nights ever.
"5-1, even Hesley scored"
I don't get why the English press dislike Heskey so. He's got an immense workrate and will actually sacrifice for his teammates (which some players don't do).
His goalscoring record makes him an easy target I think. He's not really outspoken either, so if something is said about him he'll just ignore it and move on.
I used to admire Heskey a lot. He never was exactly a killer, but England never exploited his potential IMO. Only Capello discovered his full capacity, but he was a bit old then.
QUOTE (Protagonist @ Jul 17 2010, 05:10 AM)
I read something about that a while ago. Did Paul actually predict Germany would loose from Spain ?
If so, then good move
If so, then good move
I predicted it too, but it's NOT what I wanted to see happen.
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 18 2010, 05:51 PM)
I used to admire Heskey a lot. He never was exactly a killer, but England never exploited his potential IMO. Only Capello discovered his full capacity, but he was a bit old then.
Cappello just likes that type of player, hard working, doesn't have a big ego and a team player
Paul the Octopus dies in Germany
FRANKFURT, Germany -- Paul the Octopus, the tentacled tipster who fascinated soccer fans by correctly predicting results at this year's World Cup, died Tuesday.
Paul had reached the octopus-old age of 2½ years and died in his tank on Tuesday morning in an aquarium in the western German city of Oberhausen, spokeswoman Ariane Vieregge said.
Paul seemed to be in good shape when he was checked late Monday, but he did not make it through the night. He died of natural causes, Vieregge added.
Stefan Porwoll, manager of the Oberhausen Sea Life Center in Germany that housed Paul, said: "We are consoled by the knowledge that he enjoyed a good life here and that the care provided him by our dedicated displays team could not have been bettered.
"His success made him almost a bigger story than the World Cup itself. We may decide to give Paul his own small burial plot within our grounds and erect a modest permanent shrine.
"While this may seem a curious thing to do for a sea creature, Paul achieved such popularity during his short life that it may be deemed the most appropriate course of action."
After rising to global prominence during the World Cup in South Africa in June and July, Paul retired from the predictions business after the final between Spain and the Netherlands -- the result of which he also forecast correctly -- and returned to his prime role of making children happy.
The invertebrate was stepping "back from the official oracle business," Tanja Munzig, a spokeswoman for the Sea Life aquarium in Oberhausen, told AP Television News at the time.
"He won't give any more oracle predictions -- either in football, nor in politics, lifestyle or economy," she said. "Paul will get back to his former job, namely making children laugh."
Paul correctly predicted the outcomes of all seven of Germany's World Cup games. He made his predictions by opening the lid of one of two clear plastic boxes, each containing a mussel and bearing a team flag.
After his World Cup soothsaying skills were revealed, the English-born Paul was appointed an ambassador to England's bid to host the 2018 World Cup. He had English roots, having been hatched at Weymouth Sea Life Center on England's south coast in 2008.
Imitators sprang up all over the world, including Mani the Parakeet in Singapore and Lorenzo the Parrot in Hannover, Germany.
The latest was a saltwater crocodile named Dirty Harry, who predicted Spain's World Cup final win and called the result of Australia's general election by snatching a chicken carcass dangling beneath a caricature of Prime Minister Julia Gillard.
Paul became so popular in Spain that a northwestern Spanish town tried to borrow him.
In response to hundreds of requests to bring Paul to Spain, the Madrid Zoo asked Sea Life if it would be willing to make a deal to bring him in as a tribute to the Spanish team's victory, either temporarily or for good. But the German aquarium turned down that offer, too.
Paul also had an agent and his name was used to help endangered turtles on the Greek island of Zakynthos.
(ESPN.com)
FRANKFURT, Germany -- Paul the Octopus, the tentacled tipster who fascinated soccer fans by correctly predicting results at this year's World Cup, died Tuesday.
Paul had reached the octopus-old age of 2½ years and died in his tank on Tuesday morning in an aquarium in the western German city of Oberhausen, spokeswoman Ariane Vieregge said.
Paul seemed to be in good shape when he was checked late Monday, but he did not make it through the night. He died of natural causes, Vieregge added.
Stefan Porwoll, manager of the Oberhausen Sea Life Center in Germany that housed Paul, said: "We are consoled by the knowledge that he enjoyed a good life here and that the care provided him by our dedicated displays team could not have been bettered.
"His success made him almost a bigger story than the World Cup itself. We may decide to give Paul his own small burial plot within our grounds and erect a modest permanent shrine.
"While this may seem a curious thing to do for a sea creature, Paul achieved such popularity during his short life that it may be deemed the most appropriate course of action."
After rising to global prominence during the World Cup in South Africa in June and July, Paul retired from the predictions business after the final between Spain and the Netherlands -- the result of which he also forecast correctly -- and returned to his prime role of making children happy.
The invertebrate was stepping "back from the official oracle business," Tanja Munzig, a spokeswoman for the Sea Life aquarium in Oberhausen, told AP Television News at the time.
"He won't give any more oracle predictions -- either in football, nor in politics, lifestyle or economy," she said. "Paul will get back to his former job, namely making children laugh."
Paul correctly predicted the outcomes of all seven of Germany's World Cup games. He made his predictions by opening the lid of one of two clear plastic boxes, each containing a mussel and bearing a team flag.
After his World Cup soothsaying skills were revealed, the English-born Paul was appointed an ambassador to England's bid to host the 2018 World Cup. He had English roots, having been hatched at Weymouth Sea Life Center on England's south coast in 2008.
Imitators sprang up all over the world, including Mani the Parakeet in Singapore and Lorenzo the Parrot in Hannover, Germany.
The latest was a saltwater crocodile named Dirty Harry, who predicted Spain's World Cup final win and called the result of Australia's general election by snatching a chicken carcass dangling beneath a caricature of Prime Minister Julia Gillard.
Paul became so popular in Spain that a northwestern Spanish town tried to borrow him.
In response to hundreds of requests to bring Paul to Spain, the Madrid Zoo asked Sea Life if it would be willing to make a deal to bring him in as a tribute to the Spanish team's victory, either temporarily or for good. But the German aquarium turned down that offer, too.
Paul also had an agent and his name was used to help endangered turtles on the Greek island of Zakynthos.
(ESPN.com)
Oh NO!! 
RIP Paul. you were seriously the true star of the world cup!
RIP Paul. you were seriously the true star of the world cup!
*raises a fin*
Hey, for folks in North America (or with access to NA streams), ESPN Classic is replaying a whole bunch of world cup games today.
Hey, for folks in North America (or with access to NA streams), ESPN Classic is replaying a whole bunch of world cup games today.
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