Agreed.

I hope changes can be made because this has gone on long enough.

I don't think the first goal was his fault but who cares, I agree on that we should get a new keeper anyway...

Only thing to remember from this game is, besides Nesta's heroics, Samuel getting injured by Kaka's fast changes of direction... I would smile if I could.

Also the ref getting more treatment attention then any of the players on the pitch was amusing to watch

Yeah reminded me of Collina's constant seeking of attention.

Yeah! he's perhaps the only light at the end of a dark tunnel...

best team in the world right here everyone-->

no but seriously it's been years now seedorf should not be a starter, thats if we ever wanna win a game in the league again. we need a real LB, not some Lm converted into one. oddo gets forward well but whats the use if he misses 4 out of 5 crosses. are two fullbacks are useless and all our width depends on them ambro should never be in the starting 11 when pirlo and gattuso start. we need a SS that is not injured 90% and the situtation with ronaldo will never change and can only get worse. oh and we should have 4 strikers not 3, especially when 2 of them are as injured prone as inzaghi and ronaldo. oh and we need a CB to play with nesta, cuz kaladze is a joke.

so thats 5-6 players we need to get.

we deserve to be midtable and let remain there until management wake up from their deep slumber.

i predict a worse next season if drastic changes arent made.

What did they do?! they showed class?


Can somebody tell me what happened!?

Did u see how he got injured ... Kaka'



Overall .. The Milan of Europe, did not show up this evening.

There were several occasions that should have changed the game to our advantage, but nothing came of it. The game ended with inter as the victors, congrats to them, they were the stronger team.

Are you being serious?

Kaladze was one of the better defenders out there, he had a very solid match. Tell me who made that poor clearance that led to Cambiasso's goal, Maldini or Kala

Agree

And to think we turned down the worlds best while extending Dida's contract, another great move by the management

Kala's always great in big matches. And this season he has been very good overall.

It is better thinking about changes in RB and LB (thats where we struggle)

Either Galliani or Don Silvio, I heard Don Silvio offered Dida the extension though

I hate remembering mistakes like that !!!!

if worlds best GK would be in our team we would have won at least one more CHL title..... let alone how many points we would have earned MORE!

Everyone is saying we need LB,RB, CB etc etc but IMO we need a strong forward who can score and a replacement for Clarence, my choices would be Drogba and Diego.

(No more Brazilians, please.) My first choice for a creative mid would be Van der Vaart.

Buffon woud have given us an extra 10 points a season whereas Dida seems to lose us 10 points a season

VDV wants Juve, Diego would be ideal IMO Brazilian or not.

Diego isn't an automatic start for the Brazilian NT, you know. Or rather he did start at the Copa America until he screwed up so badly he was pulled and not fielded again. He's good but he's not THAT good.

I don't hate Brazil as a country and I don't dislike Brazilian footballers. But Milan is an Italian team and I don't want them to turn into a Brazilian reflection of the Merda. Milan needs more European players, ideally Italians.

I think VDV can play more in Seedorfs position than Diego!

So, I'd go for VDV! Coz Diego would find it difficult to play with Kaka on the team.

IMO VDV has never really lived up to expectation, when he was at Ajax he seemed destined for great things but he never really lived up to the hype. From what I hear Diego is playing well and scoring regularly in the Bundesliga.

So is Van der Vaart. And I do watch the Bundesliga games each weekend. If I were going to nick someone from Bremen, i'd probably pick Torsten Frings. We need another effective DM.

Let's agree to disagree on this one and move further transfer discussion to the transfer board, shall we?

i dint see the match, but in general thats what i think of kaladze, he's a good sub and i have no problem with him starting ever so often but i dont think he deserves to be the no.2 CB, especially with maldini retiring we need a world class CB to play along side nesta.

hey wat was this about? i didn't catch this!

Before the game, the Merda players formed a tunnel and applauded the Milan players out onto the pitch as a congratulations for winning the CWC. It was a nice touch.

The picture looks so genuine. Like theres actual respect.

We missed out on a blatant penalty. Would have been hard for the merda to come back from there. But they were probably the better team.

Both goals we conceded were terrible defensive errors. How cruz managed to get a shot through 3 defenders is beyond me. And once it nutmegged (kaladze I think), dida was in trouble. Even though it was near post and keeper shouldn't be beaten there, it would have taken some quality keeping to keep it out.

Obviously the second goal was terrible, ordinary clearance by god into a very dangerous area. Followed by absolutely disgraceful keeping. We may as well have had a bin in the middle of the goals. At least it would have been saved.

This milan team just doesn't have what it takes in italy. Probably make a good run at consecutive european titles, but its so disappointing to be out of the scudetto race before even playing each team once. The team needs a massive shake up, same old story, senior players are just coasting since there spots are never in jeopardy. Some major changes are needed, and the same story will begin to get sung again. Hopefully pato can inject some motivation into this team.

3 derby defeats in a row, that hurts. Hats off to inter, there heading in the right direction.

the funny thing some hold on to the old attitude towards inter, at how they screw up all the time that their losers well that doesnt change the fact thatl if things remain the same in a matter of years they will be 2nd most successful team in italy, ahead of us... scary thought no?

you see thats a big part of our problem, you cant look at one game to judge a player. even if he had a decent game, overall he's been below average since last year. what does this game have to do with it, did i saw he had a bad game? no if you read my comment you would see i'm talking milan problems overall. oh and if a competent CB came in that would force kaladze to do well when he's on so he can get back into the starting 11. we are reaping what we sowed, we have 0 competing for the first team and carlo will always pick his favorite players ahead of the others.

i mean look at dida, us showing confidence in him, has it helped the team? no it's making things worse.

To be honest, I don't think any of our defenders played that well, yes, even Nesta. How they allowed Cruz to hold on to the ball in the box and turn everybody to get the shot in for the first goal was quite pathetic really.

I can't really pick anyone out who played even half decent for us, I may even say Serginho was our best player!

I don#t know how many times we'll hear excuses about the bad refereeing - it was fine - and that we don't care about the league - which is just unfair on the fans, especially in the derby - but Inter are a better team than us, times have changed, we're no longer the best team in our own city, forget the World.

say whatever you want on this one but these defensive errors created surprise situations that are not of the ordinary. Many keepers get beat on the near post and I think the Maldini error was so pitiful that I blame him over Dida for this one. Maldini has not done much in the past 2 years but run off his reputation and the fact that most people watch the Champions League over the scudetto.

The game was pretty much the summation of the whole first half of the season, poor performances and inconsistent play with flashes of brilliance. Inter were much more physical and strong all around and have proven consistent results through the season. Our forwards are garabage. Inzaghi is the only one worth a damn. With Galliani we have 7 forwards including Kaka, Seedorf, and people on loan. Maybe he should throw MVB in there and Bierhoff. Gilardino is worthless and has proven he cannot play for a top club like Milan, I could care less if he works hard, you cannot count on this player. He is so easily read by a solid defense that Matarazzi and Cordoba were just sitting there letting him trip over himself and make dramatic gestures all the time. To put all this pressure on Pato is a weak strategy, you can expect him to make some impact but come on, he's 18. Fabergas and C. Ronaldo took time to develop into top youth players.

The problem with Milan is that the Club World Cup is a joke trophy and all it does is gives fuel to the Milan management in how to let bad players stay on the bench and no redesign this club. Serie A and Champions league together constitute the value of a club. Milan this season have been destroyed in scudetto. I would give them a 0. They had the easiest group in the CL and still struggled but we'll see. Remember that when we play Arsenal, we are playing a team that is not only a top team in the CL but a top team in the Prem, not a team that just focuses one competition over the other.

From what I saw today, this team needs to change, both in terms of immediate effect and long term.
A new keeper should be 1st. priority, the same thing is happening with Dida as with Lehmann. Some good replacements would be Kalac, Rensing, Akinfeev, Abbondanizieri or Frey.
Secondly, you need more defensive options. Again, replacement options are Pasqual, Lahm, Lucio and Chivu.
Milan should keep Gattuso and Pirlo in midfield, and drop Seedorf to the bench.
Some exciting signings would be David Silva, Vicente, Jesus Navas or super-talented Nuri Sahin.
In attack, keep Kaka as AM/SS, but bring in a new a new striker, like Villa, Nihat, D. Milito or Morientes.

As for a new manager...Lippi is still on the market, unless he wants to keep on fishing tuna forever...

-Ancelotti

all i know if carlo continues with his ignorant /"lets go easy on the lads" outlook of things he can leave along with dida. i can understand he's gotta go easy on them every so often but after 2 years of below par football in the league it's time to stop sugar coating.

umm how are we more swift than them? and inter have more technique, besides kaka and pirlo, guys like ambro,gattuso,inzaghi,gila have noo technique.

your absolutely right. i agree with everything you said. i got a few points of my own.

kaka was pure class today! Nobody was capable of marking him, with the exception of javier zanetti. he turned away from materazzi with ease. Only way matrix contained him was by following him. and it was comical watching kaka single handedly juke Walter Samuel so hard that Samuel injured himself trying to keep up. BTW - that injury looked bad, and samuel was one of the best defenders in europe this year. its not great that he got hurt, but i mean damn kaka messed his day up with those cuts and it was somewhat funny to see. Anyways, Did anyone else notice how towards the end of the game we REFUSED TO SUPPLY KAKA THE BALL? He was dropping back so far desperate to orchestrate and we simply passed around him! we passed to oddo on the wing..and oddo was awful. I cant remember one good ball he put in. I cant understand that.

Secondly, Pirlo had a magnificent game, but he really F'd up when he tried to dummy that pass right at the 18. He had soooo much space he coulda taken a touch, taken a ****..and still had a goal.

Lastly, I can't fully blame Dida. The first one he never saw! there were three defenders around cruz, and kaladze completely blocked Dida. Dida had the time from where that shot was taken to the time it got to him to react. We all know thats pretty impossible of a save from that distance with that powerful a shot, low and hard. That second one was heartbreaking and he shoulda saved that, but he couldnt expect that turnover to happen. It all happened so fast, he just reacted to the first thing he saw, and the ball knuckled..It was a tough shot, ive seen players like juninho and even our own pirlo give keepers FITS with balls that are right at them.

I think we coulda beaten inter today but Carlo and management is at fault, none of our players.

management's fault.
- we need new flanks (oddo/paolo cant attack and cafu/serginho/janku can't defend)
- new central midfielder..seedorf isn't pacy, and kaka needs someone to play at his pace. Image if we had 2 kaka's in midfield..nobody would be able to stop that pace/creativity. We all know how hindsight is always 20/20..but did anyone see Julio Baptista today scoring and basically single-handedly slicing up barca? Im sad to say but for all the apprehension in hearing about our signing him..he seems ideal! he's big and strong to shrug off tackles, a skilled passer, and possess a versatile, powerful shot. Seedorf isn't cut out for 90 minutes anymore. He needs to adopt the Rui Costa role...which leads me to my next thought.

carlo's fault.
- he really is too stubborn, and today was it couldn't have been more obvious. Change tactics! Milan were tired and dominated today in the second half - outmuscled and outpaced. He offers no tactical variety..There is no way Jose Mourinho would have allowed Kaka, our only player capable of winning us matches at will, to disappear so easily.

Partly Carlo's fault, partly Galliani's fault because Carlo has no depth to change tactics drastically.

anyways..the dead horse has been beaten and buried. Kaka was getting so visibly frustrated at the end of the game...he clearly wanted the ball, and wanted the win, wanted the initiative, and had definitely showed he was capable of it today as he sliced and diced whenever he had the ball...and i think that if he continues to be frustrated like he was today, those England/Spain offers will look more tempting.

Anyways, im frustrated, but knowing the nature of the beast..well come out and whip arsenal's ***, and sit pretty until our next major serie a falling out..

Did you see his positioning in the first goal?? That was one of the big mistakes I'm always saying he's doing, it's just not obvious every time...

Excellent posts by Jbryant, vnata and Bigmac

Exactly!

i dunno why people are rating nesta so low for this match. nesta and pirlo were the only players that showed up for this match. ibra did nothing all game with nesta there all that was there of ibra was the shadow of his big nose. all articles of the game that i have read considered nesta man of the match and i would have to agree

I agree, the only reason Ibra did nothing was because of Nesta and to a certain extent Kaladze

he had several half chances, and a player of his caliber can easily score with the half chances that he got it just dint work out for him . but ya i'd say kaladze and nesta did a good job at limiting him.

Actually, IMO there was not a single chance in which he could score. Eventually one, but that's it. Nesta closed him down with ease,..

Inter's guard of honour was very sporting. That is a very un-nerazzuri-like gesture

Wasn't Nesta playing as the right centre-back? And wasn't their goal scored from the area the right centre-back is meant to cover?

I think people automatically rate Nesta very highly, just because he's Nesta, regardless of how bad he plays. He had a decent game, but the first goal was more his fault than anybodys as it came from the area he was in.

Nesta, Kaladze and Pirlo were the only players that were half decent, and even they made mistakes.

He only had one chance, that shot in the second half that went past Dida's right post. Well that could be considered a full chance as with that Dida protecting our net, every shot on goal would count...

You just can't limit such a player to no chances... nobody can. And he was closed down every time clearly, without even conceding a foul. I heard from various sources that Kaka flopped but how can you perform when you're kicked all over the place? The guy won three yellow cards on his own again...

You are biased once more against Nesta... you're not usually like this but against Nesta you clearly are! I'm not saying this to insult you or anything, it's not like you're doing it deliberately (I do it with Pool player too...), but it's more than clear...

Nesta was all us Milan fans can take aways as positive from this game... and no the first goal was not his fault, he was out of the area to cover for someone else's mistake (can't remember who was out of position) and someone should have covered for him in consequence... I guess you know that football is not as simple as your logic: "The goal was scored from Nesta's area so he's responsible" is as daftly inculpable as "we need a goal, let's introduce some forwards to the game"...

I onl pick on Nesta when I feel I should, usually to take the criticism off other players.

Like in the case, Kaladze is being blamed for a goal and I don't really feel he was at fault, in my opinion, being out of position when a goal is scored is your own fault. If he went to cover somebody else mistake over keeping his position while Inter were threatening, that's a mistake for me. I have nothing against Nesta and at his best, he's the best CB in the World. He did have a a fairly good game, clearly one of Milans better players, but I just don't like some peoples fanboy approach on things.

The only player I'm always critical of is Dida, but he's made 7 or so mistakes already this season and it's only just christmas, you shouldn't even have half of that throughout a whole season..

Anyways, Merry Christmas dst, at least for our timezones.

Well I'm a fanboy! But I'm fair... I've never hesitated to say it when he was bad. I talked about Kaladze's positioning in Inter's first goal before but I did not mean it was his fault. In fact is was not one man's fault, everything that happened before it was dishearteningly poor... and Nesta was involved in the whole mess too.


Merry Christmas!

i dunno how often you watch football matches but i watch games in all leagues quite frequently and have never seen a game where a goalie has no shots on net. there for not in all cases can a defender prevent a goal thats why there are goalies in soccer and if dida is a pylon and cant save a shot that is right at him i dont see how it is nestas fault. if he was standing in an open area of the field pickin his *** i would agree with u sayin he was outa position but if hes markin a man and the midfield isnt comming back and the other defenders arnt markin up players i cant see how u can put the blame solely on him. BTW the whole attack was comming from the right hand side so the whole defensive line was shifted over nesta was covering a man n the shot went between kaladze and ambrosini if you wanted to take another look at the replay of the goal. and i think it is quite obvous that even the best players make mistakes just cuz we see soccer players as gods doesnt make them any less human. I also think it is quite obvous when milan lose the whole or majority of the team plays poorly and this game was a prime example.

I bet there are very few people who watch more football than me, it's an obsession.

Obviously Dida's at fault for the first goal because he should have saved it, but the fact remains that Nesta was out of position for one reason or another, and in my opinion a CB shouldn't leave their position, they need to stay in front of goal. Otherwise, like you said, you end up with someone like Ambro having to cover for him, who isn't a defender.

I don't see football players as Gods at all, and I'm one of the more critical members of this forum. I won't defend a player just because of who he is or anything. I do agree with the majority of your post though!

hahaha thanks. i will admit there are players that i consider favourits but i am first to admit when they made a mistake and when i am wrong. but like you i am very critial i dont like how carlo usues the refs as excusses for example. oh we soulda got a pk mabe... so but u shoulda also been wining 3-0 befor the pk anyway...but the frustration of milans current fourm this season has taken its tole on me and i just want answeres. lol and i only view a select few players as gods and not many are playin now anyway.