Fiorentina lost, that's really good for us,..

Disgrace!

It's sad that fans dictate whether a game is played or not, sad truth about Italian football these days.

7 mins into the beginning of the match its stops?

Agreed...especially as it means that the so called "ultras" are these "fans".

The ultras are terrorists disguised as football fans. Pure and simple. They will destroy the league unless they are properly dealt with. It worked for the EPL, so I don't know what the hell's taking us so long.

What the hell happened ?!

All this for a death of a Lazio fan ?!?! I mean, people die every single day (don't mean to sound immoral, but what the f2ck ?!) ... I came on to check the result and this is not something new that the match got canceled. It happens in Serie A ... But if the reason for the cancellation was such, then every game should be canceled

Anyways ... This would mean the team gets more rest before the Cagliari match. Which is not a totally bad thing ..



About the Ultras, I couldn't agree more ... even though they have been the throbbing heart of Italian football, they shouldn't be given such authority as to end matches and all that ..

In the short run, it will benefit us, however that match now has to be scheduled in somewhere else and with the CWC coming up that means even more rescheduled matches.

Less work today, more tomorrow

It will most definitely be before the x-mas break, therefor before the CWC ... Yeah, I get what your saying .. but at least the players get this week off, if u know what I'm saying to maintain their form. Especially after that CL match in Ukraine ...

i guess human life is worth less where your from.

A policeman "accidentally" killed a popular DJ and Lazio fan. Last season a policeman died and they cancelled all the games, so the Ultras were upset the same thing didn't happen this season.

Upset doesn't cover it. They threatened 'bad things' if Atalanta-Milan weren't called off. They've sacked the CONI (Italian olympic committee) offices in Rome, attacked police stations in Rome and (I think) Milan, blocked major thoroughfares near Roma's Stadio Olimpico, etc.

The tragic death of the Rome DJ (at a gas station/cafe in Tuscany, not close either to Rome where he was from or Milan where the game was to be held) should perhaps have led to the cancellation of all games.

That, however, in no way excuses the rioting that these organized mobs have done using the DJ's death as an excuse.

It's like the Rodney King riots all over again.

I acknowledge that ... But, again, not trying to be immoral, if they were gonna go with this logic, then they might as well cancel football for good in Italy! I mean, is a Lazio fan's life worth more than that of any person that died (there are probably a good thousand + who die everyday in the world .. if not more) ... The logic is not in line with morals.

If the reasoning for the Ultras was to get the game(s) called off, just because when a policeman died the same happened ?! This is total BS! And I cant really see eye to eye with this ... Bcz a policeman is a man of authority and any aggression on him/her would be an aggression towards the government, which is logical to understand. But what makes the Lazio fan so special ?! I mean if I was to die, would they cancel Milan games for my death


EDIT: p.s. if the Ultras cared so much about that fan's life, they should have gone to his funeral, instead of setting chaos all over Italy! the whole issue is just not logical.

I'm guessing there was a lot of hypothesizing going on.

For starters, there would have been news that the Lazio and Juve fans had a fight and a Lazio fan died.

Then it would have been that a policeman shot and killed a Lazio fan.

Maybe they thought this was some kind of police 'vendetta' for last year.

However I must say it doesn't make sense. You don't fire live ammo into a crowd to disperse it. I've heard of water cannons and tear gas and rubber bullets, but if you're using the real stuff, you fire it into the air right? Something smells here...

L'agente è disperato "Non miravo a nessuno"

Parla Luigi S., il poliziotto dalla cui arma risulta essere partito il colpo fatale per Sandri: "Il primo colpo l'ho sparato in aria, il secondo mi è partito mentre correvo. Così ho distrutto due famiglie, quiella del ragazzo e la mia"

12 novembre 2007 - Questa mattina il Corriere della Sera riporta le prime parole di Luigi S., l'agente della Polizia Stradale dalla cui arma risulta essere partito il colpo che è costato la vita al tifoso laziale Gabriele Sandri. "Non ho mirato a niente, non ho puntato nessuno - dice tra le lacrime -. Ero almeno a duecento metri, come avrei potuto? Il primo colpo l'ho sparato in aria e il secondo m'è partito mentre correvo, accidenti a me. Adesso lo so, sono rovinato".

AGENTE SCELTO - Agente scelto, 12 anni di servizio ricchi di successi e attestati di stima, ora non si dà pace: "Così ho distrutto due famiglie, quella del ragazzo e la mia...". Dopo il primo colpo sparato in aria, secondo il regolamento, avrebbe dovuto rimettere nella fondina la pistola d'ordinanza, una Beretta 92 Sb. Ma lui non l'ha fatto, è stato imprudente: !Perché noi siamo abituati a correre nei campi per inseguire i rapinatori, i trafficanti di droga, i latitanti — lo difendono a spada tratta i suoi colleghi — e la pistola la teniamo in pugno". Stavolta, però, c'è scappato il morto. "C'era appena stata la rissa tra i tifosi laziali e juventini, una rissa violentissima — raccontano in coro i poliziotti di Battifolle —. Le auto dei tifosi stavano già ripartendo e Luigi, così, correva in parallelo al guard-rail per identificarne almeno il modello. Non lo diciamo per giustificarlo, ma per sottolineare che è stata una disgrazia. Oltretutto il proiettile, per arrivare dall'altra parte, ha dovuto superare due guard-rail a tripla onda e la rete sul new-jersey centrale. Magari ha subìto anche una deviazione...".

GUERRA SETTIMANALE - In sintonia con quanto dichiarato dai dipendenti dell'autogrill, infine, i colleghi di Luigi S. hanno spiegato che ogni fine settimana "è una guerra". Gruppi ultras dalla serie A alla C imperversano nelle stazioni di servizio, e l'episodio violento è all'ordine del giorno.

(gazzetta.it)

I pretty much get the gist of the article, but if anyone can provide a rough translation, it would be very much appreciated.

In brief, it was an accident. He was running along the guard rail to try to identify the car and hadn't returned his gun to its holster. The gun went off accidentally. He says he wasn't aiming at anyone and further that he's destroyed two families by his actions: the dead DJ's and his own.

is there anyway milan can join the EPL?

this is embarrassing

Milan would breeze through the EPL ...

You give Kaka' and Ronaldo such space .. and with our defense, the English teams wont stand a chance!


btw ... Nothing will come of this, it is an isolated issue .. The FIGC wont halt the league, as it will commence without much difficulty. Maybe they'll cancel one match day, but that is it !!

The media just took this issue and stretched it to the extent of making it look like an embarrassment.

Dude, it's a hell of a lot more than an embarrassment. Unless mass riots don't mean anything to you, or attacks on police barracks, or sacking of sporting office or of stadiums.

As for the FIGC halting the league, they may not have a choice with the government stepping in.

oh yeah they mean a lot to me ... But this has nothing to do with football !! All this that your talking about happened outside of the stadium. Halting the Serie A wont do anything, what needs to be done is dismantling the Ultras or arresting the head figures who have influenced this. But closing down Serie A ?! Please ..

The government ? Yeah they have to take action, but Serie A,B & C aren't the problem. So, going ahead to suspend the league wont solve anything. The government wants to do anything, it should go after the Ultras.

Ehem - Ronaldo + EPL defenders = a crippled brazilian doing coffee comercials..

I like serie A a lot. It's my favorite league by far. So I want a change in the way things are taken care of. Serie A stadiums look like prisons and still the crowd are causing trouble. Every individual that causes trouble for others must be prosecuted. This is the 21 century. I expect those terrorists who cover their faces and make threats are brought in custody and are prosecuted. And if that means Serie A will have to be stopped, fine by me. I'd rather it stopped than played beyond closed doors anyways.

ROMA - L'Osservatorio sulle manifestazioni sportive ha stabilito il blocco di tutte le trasferte dei tifosi delle squadre di calcio e la chiusura al pubblico delle curve dell'Atalanta e del Taranto, gli stadi all'interno dei quali ieri sono avvenuti gli incidenti più gravi in seguito alla notizia della morte del giovane Gabriele Sandri.

[The government agency set up after the Catania riots has prohibited transfer of fans to away games and has closed the curvas of Atalanta and Taranto, stadiums where there were serious incidents yesterday.] (from acmilan.com's breaking news section)

The Atalanta owner said the following (quoted variously, this one's a snippet from tuttomercatoweb): Questa gente non la voglio più vedere, li bandirò dal mio stadio. Si tratta di pochi delinquenti, mi auguro che finiscano in galera.

[I don't want to see these people again, I'm going to banish them from my stadium. They're nothing more than delinquents, I hope they end up in jail.]

Unfortunately this is Italy you are talking about! Nothing will get done like always

After Calcipoli, Juve went to B and other teams were penalized. Things do get done there. It's more to do with cultures though. It's easier to 'control' and contain people in England than it is in Italy.

You've had Caciopoli, the flare throwing incident, the policeman killed at Catania and now this. And all in relatively short time. Each time there has been an outcry and the authorities have threatened to stamp down - only for something else to happen a few months later

There wil be an outcry for a while over this and in a few months all will be forgotten again.

Respect to Atalanta.

The following statement (link) was put up on their website today.

[We, the trainer and players of Atalanta, feel the moral duty to publicly and unconditionally support the hard stance taken by President Ivan Ruggieri against the delinquents who last Sunday caused incidents at the Bergamo stadium, shaming the whole city.

We do not want these delinquents there any more, either at the stadium or at training. We want only the fans of true sport who on Sunday heaivly contested the violent behavior of the minority.]

The statement is typed out on A4 paper. It's signed by the coach and every single one of the first team members.

Well done, Atalanta.

Exactly, now if more clubs were to do this it would show at least they are taking a positive stance towards eradicating the trouble. After that the government need to take a firm stand as well, long prison sentences etc.

Forza Atalanta BTW hopefully more clubs will follow their stance.

This is a positive step

And I'm sure several other clubs will look down upon their Ultras who threaten the continuity and credentials of their 'so called' clubs.

But R7, some people seem to think that clubs are just there for the ultras!

I'm glad that you can see sense though

whatever

Actually, the old ultras were a thing of beauty. I sometimes wish FDL was never disbanded.

It's the new militant outlook that is disturbing. So much that just using the word Ultra has come to mean a football hooligan. Which is just not so.

The Ultras started as a counter to the 'armchair spectator', the guy who sits on his seat/in front of TV and passes comments or whatever. The Ultras for instance come much longer than before the match. Their banners , choreography and all are practised. And of course, they never sit during a match. Always singing or cheering. If you asked me, Serie A needs more of these.

I think this was mishie's point.

The ones who did that sh!t at Bergamo are militants, NOT Ultras. So far I'm glad Brigate Rossonere have kept their noses clean and their dignity intact.

Which is why I wrote 'the minority spoil it for the majority'...

I totally agree with your post Jack and totally understand where you're coming from, but, like you say, the word ultra is becoming the new word for hooligan. And with the Serie A already under pressure this is the last thing it needed! I want to see the Serie A as the strongest league with the best players again, but if this sort of thing carries on then the total opposite will happen.

Edit: I must admit I don't hear the Brigate causing much if any trouble and the FDL were the same. It's just a shame that the inter, Roma, Lazio and now Atalanta 'so called' ultras spoil it for everyone.

^^^
The diavoli ultras only fight among themselves. They find the other groups to be a waste of time. No wonder people think we're snobs.

I think it's the wrong decision, we should be awarded a 3-0 win or whatever. It inconvinenced us AND they're the ones to blame. Football needs to be consistant, when Inter caused trouble in the CL, UEFA awarded us the won, the Italian FA make it be replayed!

^^ +

It shouldn't be a problem if we played. I mean with Uefa, there was a schedual to go by for the games, but in Serie A reschedualing shouldn't be a problem. In anycase, consider the 3 points in our pocket

I'm pretty sure Kaka' wont play any part of this fixture, seeing as he is coming back from S.America ... Then there is Ronaldo who Carlo just stated that he is ready to play 90 mins ...


So, my bet is Gourcuff, Seedorf, Ronaldo and Inzaghi will start this game ...

As I said on the match day, they won't give us the win, even if that would have been the right decision.

This things happen in the Italian league all the time, and games are always just rescheduled, never won by defult.

As for the CL thing with Inter. That's a completely different thing which I also previously mentioned. UEFA are a seperate thing from the Italian FA and they do things differently. Should both games have been forfeited in our favour? Yes. But we can't do anything about the decision taken.

I don't think we should have been awarded the three points... I see no reason why...

Well their fans were the ones that demanded the game to be stopped, we had no involvement in it. There was no other valid reason for the game to be stopped other that their fans commiting dangerous acts and tried to invade the pitch if the game wasn't stopped. If it were a CL game I'm 99.9% sure the game would have been awarded as a 3-0 win to us

Plus in the end this will make our season much more difficuilt, we already have enough of a tough schedule as it is with CWC, we don't need another game fitted into the already tight schedule

Atalanta are not their fans... just like Milan and any other club are not their fans. If you believe that Atalanta deserve to lose the game on paper then I guess Catania should also be accused of murdering Filippo Raciti! If the connection is as clear as you suggest then it should be clear in all incidents...

If it was a CL game we definitely would have been awarded all three points... but so what, I don't have to and I don't agree with UEFA on this,


That has nothing to do with it... it would be easire for us, that doesn't mean it's right or wrong. You think I wouldn't take the three points?

Atalanta should be the ones that are responsible for their fans that are IN the stadium. I thought action were being taken to make the stadiums safe in Italy, but apparently this is not happening since things like this keep happening.

So in the CL game against Inter you didn't agree that the game was given to us as a 3-0 win, even though it was Iner's fans that were causing the trouble not the club itself?


I know it has nothing to do with this issue but in the end we are going to suffer the conciquences because of the actions of fans that the Italian FA still can't seem to get a handle on, even though after last season's controversie and all the panic that came with it they still did nothing.

No but I enjoyed it!

What Milan fan actually didn't enjoy that?