Milan was always running for the first place but always failed to reach the first place at last, that's what matters. I just know Carlo had been here for five seasons before Calciopoli hit us and we won the league title just once. is that a good domestic record for a team that considers itself as the no1 team in the world? NO.

I know Carlo's (unfortunately) not going anywhere... I just think Mou is what Milan need... maybe one day...


HOW do you know? it's just speculation, you really haven't been there with them, have you?! and why should Silvio, someone so ambitious, pick just one trophy for Carlo to go for? it's no Moratti we're talking about...

Ur right .. How would I know

Milan finished 1st place just once under Carlo .. How many times did Milan finish 2nd place ?? And in those times, did u forget the refs that were calling bad calls ?? Did u forget that Milan were pegging Juve for the title ?? Or is it just that u loath Carlo so much that u would just discredit him, because u were impressed with Mourinho and wouldn't reason for anything other ...

How would I know uh ..?? Take this season as an example .. Do u know what Milan's objectives are ?? Is it not clear ?!


p.s. U know when u'll see Mourinho in Milan ?? When Silvio 'sells' his club .. He will most likely end up in Juve/inter.

Why not? it's no murdering we're talking about. what's the big deal in saying (=admitting) the team is not good enough? because everybody knows that is the case.



Changing the coach is inevitable for a team, especially after six-seven seasons and when the team is doing awful. if we were leading the standings things would've been different. but right now, it can't get any clearer to see our team needs radical changes.



They KNEW Pato wouldn't be able to play until the start of 2008 and they KNEW there would be much risk in relying on injury-prone players. only they didn't care to do anything about it and now they're seeing the cost.



The variance between Milan's performances and UEFA's ranking is so obvious that I don't even have to think to discriminate the difference. do you really think WE ARE the no1 team in the world right now? I bet they're gonna relegate us from the top of their ranking very soon and there would be nothing left for us to brag about.

This season everything is CLEAR. no ref favor towards Juve, not points deduction for us to use as excuse for a bad season, no transfer market advantage/disadvantage for any team (we could build up the strongest team and we didn't), etc. let's see how good Carlo and those in charge are...

Why doesn't Carlo criticize his players in public ? To keep the pressure off of them. Problem is, u r fascinated with how Mourinho approach to the media that u seem to think every coach should do the same. Surprise surprise, none of the great coaches ever did such a thing and neither did the mediocre ones. Maybe they would say the team didn't play well, sure. But to say 'we are sh1t' or ' the management are stingy as hell' or 'i cant make a good omelet with these eggs ..' ... These kind of things don't help the team at all.

Changing coach is inevitable .. of course it is, what u think i was born yesterday ... and ONLY a respectable coach will come in. Silvio Berlusconi and Jose Mourinho are not the perfect pair .. Mourinho wouldn't last 5 mins @ Milanello ... Especially if he starts opening his mouth. There are tens of coaches out there who are more qualified to coach Milan than Mourinho, i just don't see why he is special.

Ok see now they are seeing the cost for keeping an old-injury prone squad huh .. I wonder what happened the last time critics made their voices heard It isn't a crisis !!! CALM DOWN !

It is TOO early for all this !! And the Uefa ranking ?? I thought porty said last yr that we would loose it to Barca And now u say we will be relegated from it ? My oh my, what is next.

Well, if the team wins the CWC .. Milan will be the #1 team in the world .. regardless of it's current results.

Calm down will ya

Think a little ... You are talking as if Belusconi and co. owe us something. After all that has been accomplished (not since Silvio came..) but as early as this current team was assembled. Milan have shot up to becoming #1. There is no denying this. As this team has won more than any other team playing today. Thus Carlo and those in charge don't have to answer anyone .. This is what I am trying to get to.

Sure ur disappointed .. U think i am not But I believe in this team and coach, and I know for a FACT that Milan can turn this around. They never failed and they never will

I don't know why you keep talking about Mourinho... OK, Mourinho is not made for us and we all know it's not gonna happen. I say Carlo with a perfect, fresh, young, motivated team in hand would still be able to keep us at no1. but I think he doesn't want much changes and that's why our transfer market's been so quiet. it looks to me like he's planning to continue with Seedorf until he's 35, Dida until he's 38, Nesta until he's 40, etc!



Oh come on. don't exaggerate! I thought we were being sound... I don't want to say who's more qualified to coach Milan after Carlo, but one thing is for sure: Carlo's time is about to finish. time will tell.



We're 10 points behind Inter while we've only played 8 games!! you don't really think we have any chance of winning the Scudetto, do you?

Maybe you [like Berlu / Galli / Carlo and co] don't care about being successful in the league, otherwise you would not have said it's "too early"...

Milan isn't targeting the Scudetto. Ever since the start of the season, Milan has other objectives, and the Scudetto isn't one of them.

And yes we are being sound

Carlo, IMO, is already a Milan great. He put himself in the history books. In 10 years time, we will be talking about these days, Istanbul and the two finals of Manchester and Athena .. How Milan reached the final 3 times in 5 years. Maybe today that doesn't weight much, but in a couple of yrs down the road, we will all be reminiscing on these days.

Sure the team recently is stumbling to get the results ... And loosing to Empoli at home is a very bad indication. But knowing Milan, the players and the coach .. This team will bounce back again in no time. U'll see

About the transfer market .. In the summer, this coming summer, when Maldini retires. U'll see several new faces.

Firstly, of course they owe fans something, they owe fans victory (in all fronts), beautiful and attractive football, etc. so what's the point in being a team's supporter? watch the crawl in every single game?!

And secondly, let's make it clear, right now we're talking about Milan in Serie A; and our league chances, as far as I'm concerned, are vanished! do you have any explanation for that?! it's out of our hands now because Inter's not gonna stop for our slow @ss and we won't be able to catch them up either, I don't know which team will finish first but it's obviously not Milan.

For the 1,062,786 time ... Milan isn't targeting Serie A !!

Ur a fan and u can do whatever u want .. Don't get me wrong, I was just trying to explain something. whether u take it at face value or not is up to u

u can go back to moaning and bashing (little will that solve) if u like

Lastly, they owe the fans nothing Silvio has done so much and the team has won so much ... That the fans can only be grateful. This EVERY Milan fan knows deep down inside

..Pommie,...

Guys,...

Can someone recall two very important moments in our history - the 1995 final and the 1997 season? That are two of our darkest moments. It took us more the 2 years to recuperate; we played a very bad final, without any power or true will. It was horrible. Then in 1997 we've finished as a mid-table team Baresi's last season.

But something is different now. I saw us play in 1997. It was desastrous, nothing near to the Empoli or any game we made this season. Our reality is - on a short term plan, we just need 1 or 2 quality strikers. Toni, Ronaldo, RvN or anyone else would have scored the same things Pippo missed yesterday. That's the only difference. Real isn't crushing the small teams either, as well as the other SA teams. Look at Juve! They really are back, it's the same old "extra time winner" Juve. And remember us in the SA some years ago? We also had problems, bu allways scored in the last couple of minutes.

The only problem that could affect us is a long term plan. But we have still time. We have still time to replace some vets and introduce new faces. Eventually Nesta will become the transitional leader-figure till Darmain, Lino, C. Maldini or someone else shows up.

One more thing to say - IMO a coach change would result nothing. The same problems would stay, we'd get maybe a different approach, but I'm not sure that we need one.

What you say is not acceptable!

1. Why should the no1 team in the world completely forget about their domestic league? it's been a while since the last time we won the Scudetto.

2. What do you mean they owe fans nothing? just because the team has won so much in the "past" doesn't mean anything now; that's history. Real have a richer history than us but they never want to stop. to say Silvio is bigger than Milan is just ridiculous. he has bought this club and its history with his money and he must earn owning such prestigious club. he's not god almighty, he's just a human being, he may go the wrong direction and he IS.

3. Once again, HOW do you know Scudetto isn't Milan's objective?! you really sound like Milan's official spokesman! it's just what you think, a speculation. doesn't necessarily have to be true.

Again .. I am repeating myself and u keep derailing into another zone.

1. It has been a while and I want the Scudetto more than anyone else in here !! Believe me. But it was very evident in the summer that Milan was concentrating on the CWC and CL more than the Scudetto.

2. Silvio isn't God. But if u want Mourinho and u want the Scudetto and u want and u want and u want ... Then it is better to find a new owner for Milan .. That is what I am saying. Cuz he doesn't deserve this!

Silvio has won more in his 20 yrs at Milan than Real and Barca put together have won in 20 years

It sounds lame, but Silvio really doesn't owe the fans anything. The fans owe him their allegiance!

3. The Scudetto is just not our target this season. And the sooner u comprehend that, u wont feel too bad about it Cuz if u keep thinking about the Scudetto and watch the team draw or loose again, u will just end up banging urself and moaning about something that wasn't even a target in the first place.

That is what I am saying and have been saying ... NOW whether u take what I am saying at face value, that is up to u.

Believe me, I'm tired of this discussion as much as you are. forgive me for stretching it, but:

1. Why should a team that have just won the CL start the new season aiming for the CL again while they haven't won their own domestic league for four years?... you won the CL? good! but now it's time to give the priority to the other one. [I got a quick answer for that: our team is not suitable for the league (unlike Europe)/so if they wanted the league, they should have spent some $$ to bring young blood. since they don't intend to spend $$ for the club anymore (at least not until they have to), they tried to make the CL and CWC look as our primary objectives this season - it's funny how we call Super Cup and CWC "objectives" since they're just one and two games respectively - only domestic league/CL are tough season-long primary objectives for a European club]

2. Still doesn't mean that he should stop being the president of the most successful club. he should continue on the road that he's been on for the past two decades. if he's lost his hunger for success, he better step down and let his Paolo take the job!

3. Whether the Scudetto was our target this season or not, it's out of our hands now and even miracles cannot take it out of Inter's hand. so I better assume that it wasn't our target from the very start. that can calm me a bit. but I can't help thinking about not being able to make it in the top four this time.

I Hope u realize that I am not trying to stretch this too .. I just want u to calm down and understand the way things are ..

1. We all have questions we want to ask .. And we all seem to answer them for ourselves, and somehow come to believe our conclusions.

To grasp the real situation, you would have to be involved with the management. Other than that you can only speculate. Silvio Berlusconi's management has always preferred the CL to the Serie A ... The CWC (i don't know if u remember..) we were so close to winning it the last time around, now (if we face Boca) it will be revenge. The CWC and Super Cup are not on par with titles such as the CL or Scudetto .. But they are titles that only a privileged team can attain. Hence they are of prestige.

2. No one has the right to question Silvio. It isn't Spain where the club president is elected. He owns it. He made AC Milan into the club that u are cheering for today; if it wasn't for him, me u and 80% of the fans wouldn't even know what AC Milan is. He took it from bankruptcy to #1 in Europe. We do owe him more than u think

3. For heaven's sake ... There are 30 more games to play for in the league !! Juve are 3 points off of inter, Roma and Fiorentina are also on their backs ... inter wont win. They have so much competition this season, it wont be like last season. We will finish in the top 4. If we did it last year, we can do it this yr

And don't make conclusions, it's still early

^^^

I'd be really sorry if I posted a reply again!

Just say this and that's enough for now: the race for the Scudetto is now over for Milan, it doesn't matter if Inter win it or Juve since it's surely not Milan. I'm obviously disappointed with this start because I thought this is really our turn to win it, but it's not. let's hope for CWC and maybe CL victories.

FORZA MILAN

Indeed let us hope the team can redo the tremendous effort it took to win the CL

Forza Milan

Let's!

Understandable, everyone wants us to challenge on all fronts. But obviously seeing the team we had, the club mgmnt. decided which cups to challenge for. The Scudetto is not among them.

If you were to think practically, the Scudetto is not going to earn u as much money as winning the Super Cup, CWC and the CL. And even if Inter hypothetically win the Serie A, we'd have 3 cups to their one.

And do not forget last season, when Inter sat up and cried foul when the whole of Italy stood up and saluted Milan for beating off the best teams of the EPL, while they flipped the bird at Inter's scudetto. Surely you remember that?? I still remember what Tuttosport(a Juve mouth-piece if anything) said - "Milan! Only you!!"

So personally I'm in no doubts as to which is more prestigious. Besides remember Milan are the only team to have won this back to back (ok it wasn't the champions league then), and I think Silvio wants to send off a strong message, by winning it again. Don't forget this season is important for a lot of reasons. It's also Maldini's swan song. And HE has said he wants the CL.

I would NEVER turn my back on Gila!

You mess with Carlo you mess with them all...

Goosebumps all over !!!

Only an idiot does not rate him.

It's like not rating the likes of Ronaldinho or Cristiano Ronaldo. They're show-off players? Yes, maybe because of that some of you just hate them. But... they're good? No, they're very good - the best around. YES, they ARE.

Like it or not, José is one of the best coaches in the world, already proven at the highest-level unlike some other names like MvB.

PS: -10. Let's renew with Carletto.

Weren't you the one who didn't consider C. Ronaldo as one of the best players in the world?

Oh u must get her wrong ... It was a long discussion ... But to sum it all up; Tennie didn't mean it literally, she meant that those who want him for Milan and those who don't. But I believe we all agree he is a great coach. Just that some (me one of them) don't want to see him on the Milan bench.

And if there was someone who doesn't rate him, it is his choice ... Why would u consider him/her an idiot ? It's a personal opinion after all, it isn't life changing.

I don't consider him the BEST out there. That's Kaka'. Maybe in the top 20...

You know what I meant.


Because it's my opinion. Simple as that.

as u like.

I should take my own advice and just not respond. But I will say one thing publicly on this thread:

Telling someone who disagrees with your opinion that they're an idiot is insulting, whether that was your intention or not. Mourinho may be a skilled coach but I'm one of those who doesn't rate him because I think his ego + personality outweigh any skill he may have. So I guess I'm an idiot.

And now I really will stop responding to this thread. It's gotten silly and personal and it has NOTHING to do with Milan right now. I'd rather discuss the team and the league, cl, etc.

how about we all stop posting in this thread