I knew that but i cant mention that ........
You compare Serie A with Juventus and Moggi , inter and Moratti with Portugal League ??????????

Ancelotti would win serie A 3 consecutive times definitly if we didnt face Moggi system !

Chelsea story is Abramovich Pocket story

Always there is any possibility , But How ?

This is just the way it is really. I mean... OK some of us like Mourinho and some don't. But our opinion is based on crap! I mean... we have never even been close enough to greet Mourinho, we know nothing about him except for what he's letting us know. Don't you think Don Silvio would meet with him and talk to him for hours before deciding if he's the one Milan needs!?? We know nothing about the plan he has for Milan, I bet Silvio already has it in his hands!!!


He built a new team. No one expected him to win the title in his first season, he won it in the third and then came second to a cheating Juventus... After that the squad he had had on his hands was not large and deep enough to win a c'ship race!

Carlo is far from being the best championship coach there is but once again, the numbers are not representing the whole truth.


You make is sound like it was an easy task...


That's an interesting thought!


Yup even Wenger and Fabregas did praise Milan's unique combination of attractive football and results back then!


It's not just about winning. Two seasons ago we went close to winning both and we failed. I'm more proud of that squad than I am for the one that won the CL last season!


Chelsea under Mourinho has always been as boring as football gets! For me.

You are wrong, Milan played good football even if Shevchenko was absent, back then we had the luxury (it shouldn't be a luxury, we are Milan...) to have Tomasson and/or Crespo and Rui as a sub...


Kurt I love you man but you should get your facts straight! First of all, the Coppa Italia, practically, does not even exist! Nobody cares. Have you seen the team Milan are fielding? It used to be a lame excuse of a trophy for Inter but even them they don't care anymore! They were thrashed by Roma last season in the final and they began fielding Primavera players this one. And Carlo not competing in the league was only last season and this one!

Why do you isolate last season!??
This is Mourinho and Carlo ever since the former signed with Chelsea:
2004/2005:
Mourinho won the PL and was eliminated in the SF of the CL.
Carletto came 2nd in the league behind Giuve (if you were following Serie A back then you would know Juventus did not deserve this title - just watch the title-decider in San Siro if you ever get the chance...) and reached the CL final which he lost.
2005/2006:
Mourinho again won the PL and was eliminated in the round of last 16.
Carletto again came second the same way and reached the CL SF's.
2006/2007:
Mourinho finished 2nd in the league, lost the CL SF's and won the FA Cup.
Carletto finished 4th in the league and won the CL.

I don't think Carletto did worse than Mourinho in these seasons especially considering the fact that he spend MUCH less in new players...

That's a ridiculous thing to say.

I suppose Silvio is worth nothing then? Rui Costa, Nesta, Shevchenko, etc. were all bought on a free? Manchester United won everything since the EPL started because they spent more than everyone else, it doesn't mean their success means nothing.

Fact is Jose won league titles, domestic cups, and European trophies with PORTO. What he did in Chelsea just proves he can do it with a team in the big 3 leagues, too.

Yes but Berlusconi never buy like that one and all at once !


what he did with Chelsea ? 2 EPL ?

Arsenal and Liverpool could never compete with Chelsea. Only this season did Pool spend but Arsenal cannot spend half as much!


You really believe Mourinho would have done anything better last season and this one with the same squad!!?? I just want a Yes or No! I think Mourinho is a much better c'ship "player" than Carletto but I don't believe on second that he would have managed to enter the title race in these two seasons!


Like Kurt said, Chelsea had the money before Mourinho yet they won nothing!


In 3 seasons! You really think that's not good enough!??

I speak about Milan not Chelsea and Mourinho , Mourinho did something in the Past but there is no strong reason to compare him for Milan !

^^^^^^


In 3 seasons yes but How ? there is a long list of coaches that with that Chelsea could do that !

There is no reason Carlo would do a goob job in Serie C either.

Your reasons are very strong specially for Milan !!!

Jose is the first manager to win back to back epl titles, no other coach has ever done that - even SAF!

So your argument is just ridiculous.

So how did we get MVB, Gullit, Rijkaard, Savicevic, Donadoni etc? I somehow don't think they were freebies

Don Silvio did exactly the same as Abra, like it or not!

No one can guarantee success with Milan. You suggest we should keep Carletto for life!?? Even if we do that, he will die eventually... what do we do then, dissolve Milan!??

LOL I don't mean for it to sound like that, although I do believe we were fated to win it.

SAFs won back-to-back titles, hasn't he?

Chelsea have always been a good team in any case, they're a 'nearly' team. They were in the Champions League before Abramovich even took over for starters. They'd come close to the title in Vialli's era, too!

LOL

As far as I know Jose is the only manager to win back to back titles, I'll have a look for some proof

Would you like to compare our squad to the Porto one, when Mourinho won the CL?

SAF won the league (since they made up EPL) more than one time back to back....
1993,1994; 1996,1997;1999-2001

I don't think he would

I think it's been established that we don't care about the coppa Italia to actually TRY to win it. Carlo has shown this by the teams he fields for the coppa games.

In England they take the domestic cups much more seriously. And Mourinho used to field a good team even in the carling cup. The same can't be said for Milan.

As for how good Carlo is in the CL, I think the record proves itself. If you look past the last 2 seasons, we've always done good in both competitions.
Getting second in the league and losing by 3 points and reaching the CL semi, or CL final is damn good imo. Yes the last 2 seasons we had to give up the league to compete in the CL but in the end that comes down to poor management since we don't have a team that is equiped enough to fight on both fronts


I personally agree with having Jose as our new coach I think the team needs someone like him. Someone to renew the team's interest, especially in the league.

I'm just saying that Carlo is just as good, but has his weak points just like any coach

It's probably stupid of me to even post on this thread because I suspect the majority of others will tear me apart again for having this view, but I'm going to give it one last try.

Jose Mourinho is a talented coach. He had good success with Porto (which I rate more highly than success with Abramovich's Chelsea).

But you've all seen the way he is with the press, constantly blaming the ref, blaming the other players for being divers (hello! The Porto team were HORRIBLE at diving. They did it all the time), etc etc etc. Jose Mourinho HAS NO CLASS. He never takes responsibility for things going wrong, he runs his mouth off all the time, and it - to me - negates any positives his coaching credentials might bring. I despised Chelsea last year in no small part because of this man. He represents everything about professional sports that I dislike.

And let's face it, guys. There ARE other quality coaches out there. Lippi for example. Let's also remember that Berlusconi and Fester have repeatedly stated that Carletto's successor will be from the Milan family.

So....No to Mourinho. Ever. This guy will drag Milan down into the gutters Inter currently occupies. We can do better for a new coach. The team and club deserve better.

Exactly

Well yes the man we saw in Chelsea makes me feel just the same, I don't want that in Milan! But I'm asking again: Berlusconi has ensured that no such man has coached Milan in his era so wouldn't you give Mourinho a chance if he was chosen by the President!??

To conclude (I've posted my opinion on Mourinho in it's entirety) here's what I think. Jose Mourinho is a great coach who has a loathsome personality. I would never want the man Mourinho in Milan. But I believe that if he ever came to Milan as Silvio Berlusconi's choice he would not be the same man thus I would welcome him.

Last but not least, I suppose that he won't be Milan's coach next season.

100% agreed.

hmm lemme see when mourinho blames the ref he's classless but when carlo does and galliani do it it's because their right in doing so quite convenient...

I'm not even going to bother, it's always the same.

Carlo blames refs, he's right.
Jose blames refs, he's petty.

Ronaldo dives, he's a cheat.
Pippo dives, it's an art.

Silvio spends the cash at Milan, it's normal.
Roman does it at Chelsea, it's buying the league.

Loyalty clearly does cloud the judgement of some.

Just a thing:

'Ronaldo dives, he's portuguese.'

just a thing

ronaldo dives more often and badly!

Great post!!

need i say more

hey at least ronaldo holds on to the ball and beats defenders, the only time we see pippo with the ball he's either tapping it in from 6 yards or tripping over his own leg.

2 completely different types of player you can't even begin to compare, by all means criticize players but do like for like comparisons

well thats so you cant say that ronaldo dives more than pippo either.

lets say ronaldo gets the ball 40-50 times in a game and he dives 1-2.

pippo see the ball maybe 12-13 times in a game and he dives 3-4 times.

i'd say pippo dives more even if their different types of players, at least i wouldnt excuse it just cuz it's pippo and then bash ronaldo for doing it.

you guys' sense of humor shine through your posts tonight! what's up?! too much wine on new year's eve?


I don't think so... if Ronaldo has 5 dives a game, Pippo has ten!

We only don't count Pippo's dives that much because after he dives he gives us that look of disbelief and we have no choice but to stand behind him, Ronaldo just cries, it's not half as endearing and original as the 'Pippo look'

nooo.... ...

why are you saying that i compared pippo to ronaldo???
i just made a comment about ronaldo's diving as a one off comment so don't put words into my mouth thanks i'm more than capable of speaking for myself

You suggest this , Not me !!

Yes , with Abramovich he could even reach the moon !

Difference comes from How much and How !

Yes with Monaco in the other side !!!! what a miracle he did

What about Man Utd? Oh and Deportivo...

You must think , because i did it in 2003 & 2007 !

that was the topic of the year when we could see low level teams like Porto reach those stages with that kind of defensive football and what about GREECE in EURO 2004

Err.. I hate to point this out to you, but before Milan had Silvio's money, we were hardly great.

10 years pre-Silvio:
1 Serie A title: 1978-79.
1 Coppa Italia: 1976–77.
2 Serie B titles: 1980–81 & 1982–83.

First 10 years under Silvio:
5 Serie A titles: 1987–88; 1991–92; 1992–93; 1993–94 & 1995–96.
4 Italian Super Cups: 1988; 1992; 1993 & 1994.
2 Club World Cups: 1989 & 1990.
3 European Cups: 1988–89; 1989–90 & 1993–94.
3 UEFA Super Cups: 1989; 1990 & 1994.

Looks like the money made a noticable difference to me. From a team relegated to Champions of Europe. So don't discredit anything people have done through money, otherwise you're saying Milans greatest era is not so great.

[Oh of course, my mistake. there's a huge time difference between Canada and where I leave. right now my calendar says it's 31th December but over there it's probably 29th ]

No i didnt , because you dont notice what i said : the difference between Silvio Berlusconi and Abra is How they spend the money ,

He spent alot of money, obviously not as much as Roman has spent - which is 99% down to how prices have inflated in the past 15 years - but he did buy alot of players. Why else did we become so good so quickly?

I_Ross has already named many of the great players we bought, so yes, a major part of it was down to money, just like United and just like Chelsea.