http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/0212_jose_...s_england.shtml

From NOTW I believe it's b/s.

Anyway, Milan > England.

"Milan have told him they want him"... I don't believe in it! I'd love to see him in Milan though cause I know he'll change his attitude according to Don's words!

What's that?

What do you mean?

What were Don's words? who's Don?

Don Silvio Berlusconi... he will have a word with Mourinho if he ever came to Milan wouldn't he? Everyone listens to him, Jose will too...

Are you sure?

No... I'm just dreaming again!

i don't want him...he's a good coach but i don't want him, i don't like his attitude, which doesn't fit with milan...i belive these are just romours that will end with milan's win on club worldcup

Mourinho will come IF Carlo leaves. I don't think it will be the other way round.

And for Carlo to leave, Donadoni will have to leave. For Donadoni to leave, I guess Italy will have to get kicked out in the first round. I guess Fifa has done Mourinho as much of a favour as they can with the draw.

i have the feeling donadoni will leave unless italy make the finals

He will uhm 'resign' due to personal reasons.

I think it's pretty obvious there's a lot of politics going on. Donadoni was Italy's version of McLaren. It's just that Donadoni didn't flop and did far better than was expected of him.

I hate it when those b@stard politicians play around with Milan heroes.

Why do I get the feeling that Carletto won't be a great NT coach. Maybe coz, he takes time to enforce his playing style on a team, and you don't get that in a NT. I mean Milan beats it's opponents most of the time, coz they play the same game they always do, just so damn well, that the others don't have a chance. Can you do that when you get not more than 2 weeks with players whom ur seeing for the first time.

Then again Carletto has the respect of almost all Serie A teams. Esp Milan and Juve from where the bulk of the players turn up. So that's cool.

I never noticed Carletto when he was coaching Juve and Parma. Was he anti-wingers then also? 10ster? Pana? R7?

I doubt Mourinho would be given a chance at Milan. I doubt it ...


As for which formation Carlo preferred @ Juve and Parma ... I remember at Parma, Stam used to cover the right flank very well ( , yeah he was really good ), and he didn't use wingers back then ... But at Juve, I really have no idea if he did or not ... Maybe Tennie would be able to answer u on that one.

I don't remember Carletto's zebras too terribly well, to be honest. I don't think they played much with wingers, though. Could be wrong on that, but I remember more of a 4-3-1-2 type formation.

Stam? At Parma? You got something wrong, he never played in Parma. They had Apolloni, Bennarrivo, Cannavaro, Thuram, but most certainly not Jaap Stam. Did you mean Strada?

Carlo used wingers in Parma, Stanic and Ze Maria (plus Giunti and a few other who could play a non-classic winger). In Juve, he played with Conte-Zidane-Davids as a mid-trio and Pessotto and Zambrotta as LB and RB backs mostly. So, no, in Juve he did not used wingers, I mean, classic offensive wingers. Conte could do on the right, but that wasn't natural. Bachini was also there, but he was allways on the bench.

Ohh I got mixed up with Lazio

Filippo, you just made it to my list of Milan historians on milanfan. I fired Pana!

French newspaper, L'Equipe, says Mourinho has a pre-contract with Milan opening the Italian NT doors to Ancelotti in a near future.

They say that with Mourinho, Drogba would join Milan too.

Hmh,...somehow I doubt it,..but,..

Mourinho will sign with Urawa Reds.

Well, it seems that Equipe may have picked it up from a Catalan site - at the very least, Sport is also carrying the story.

I wonder if this is more wishful thinking on the part of Mourinho. If it isn't, I'd prefer reporting on it in something a little more reliable.

I do hope it's not true, because (no offense to Porty) I really don't want the evil little Portuguese troll coaching Milan. Period.

I really hope it's true

Dark Days , Great Lies !!!!!

I have a feeling that you don't like him...

Mourinho (if he comes) will win over all doubters!

Cept me, zd. If he comes, I shall go out and buy a Buffon jersey. I'll continue to cheer for individual players (eg NESTA, Pirlo, Rino) but I will not cheer for a team coached by the troll. (And yep, you may just be right, Misha).

Some prefer the humiliation of -25 (in December) and losing 3-4 consecutive derbies to have a winner in our bench. (We love the YES-man Carletto!)

The long stay as we are, the longer Inter will dominate Serie A. There's not even a "title race" nowadays in Italy.

Carlo Ancelotti does not represent the humiliation of -25 points (and - 3 matches) nor the consecutive 3 derby losses. No, he a period of 7 years, 5 seasons without defeat at the Madonnina derby, 3 CL finals, etc.

Carlo most certainly is a winner. The way you manipulate with facts is easy to applay on practically anyone - let's see, Jose Mourinho, the man that got eliminated from the CL finals for 3 consecutive times...Mainly, Carlo has 1 bad season after 5 great ones. I don't think Mourniho would have done any better with us in that time.

Maybe Carlo is a "Yes"-man, as you say. But Mourinho also is a pretty arrogant bad@ss. And you have to think clearly - beside a coach in Milan there is also Silvio Berlusconi who dictates the rules for about two decades very successfully.
IMO Mourniho and Berlusconi are not compatible. Berlusconi never would support his style and tactic's. In fact, not many people in general do so,...

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Yes Carlo has been amazing for us over the years and I think he has a special place in everyone's hearts.

But be that is it may, I think it is time for a fresh start and I think Carlo has done everything he can for Milan.

The only doubt I have about Mourinho is if his relationship with Berlu will be as volatile as most of us think it will be if the move ever happens. Carlo is a god send in this situation because he doesn't like to create problems and mostly keeps his mouth shut no matter the situation. And I don't see Mourinho laying down and taking whatever is given to him.

I don't think Mourinho would do any better with the current squad. Not significantly better at least.

I don't like Mourinho cause he doesn't have class. But if Silvio Berlusconi chooses him to become the next Milan manager then who am I to disagree!?? Besides, if that happened Mourinho wouldn't be such a whiny b!tch. Don Silvio can tame everyone. Of course Mourinho wouldn't become a YES-man as Carletto really is but he wouldn't be such a ball-buster either... Our president would take care of that.


Indeed it is.

Nope, Mourinho isn't a YES-man. He would pack his bags even before Athens. He'd left us in the middle of the season and we'd have to call ol' Cesare once more back again,..

Exactly as you said, Mourinho has no class for Milan.

I have nothing against the people who like Mourinho...I dislike Porty coz he's smoking on his avtar pic, and he's setting a bad example as a role model to all the kids on the forum (Ash, R7, 10ie etc). R7 pass me the marlboros bro!

dst on the other hand is a nice friendly duck with an attitude.

Sorry Porty, I'm with Greece this Euro!

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Onto serious matters...if Mourinho is coming...here's the scenario (best case of course)...

Milan already know she needs to (doesn't anthromorphizing Milan as a woman, sound totally cool...now I know what Lucarelli was onto when he did that wierd celebration), splurge cash and buy new players. Mourinho is gonna come in, since we're buying players anyway, Jose can say who he wants. And voila...we got a new team, as the manager likes it and we win games...and everyone says thank God Carletto left coz under him we were winning shite...and praise the Mourinho..ad infinitum ad nauseum.


All I'm saying is why doesn't the manager of one of the best periods in Milan history get the same benefits. Why can't Carlo be allowed to form his team?? Last season, he asked for Emerson, got Brocchi had to play with it, and we said he sucked, till we got CL. Have you seen our squad, we got 15 brilliant players, who're being made to work like Milan were a slave galley.

Carlo has to play around 60-70 matches with this team. Even with MilanLab, it's a ****-*** job, and god bless him he's taken us so far.

Now let's look at some of the arguments people have thrown...

1. He had a brilliant team to start with:

I mean honestly...LMFAO...this brilliant team was getting its self whopped before he came in. Not as bad as now I accept, but it was still the same shite. Maybe similar coz we were 6th in Serie A. I'm grateful to Fatih Terim for Rui and for the 4-3-1-2 Milan footballing theory(I love football theory, it's why I liked this forum so much)...but he was not able to do much else.


And by the same yardstick, the Galaticos should never ever have had a down era.

I just feel that sometimes there's way too much credit given to the coach or sometimes way too little. And it's almost always based on media hype.

The Mourinhos and the Wengers and the SAFs are gods, while the Capellos and the Prandellis and the Carlettos as second rate replacements.

*sigh

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Ugly Football

Because Milan under Carlo have been great to watch?

I think that's the way we all should confront the situation:

[^^ Well said dst!]

Would you really stop supporting Milan if a certain coach that you happen to dislike came?!

How about not prejudging him and giving him a chance?


Some say our management "didn't want" Serie A this season... though I think it's not true and we were simply not good enough to battle for the Scudetto, but I say OK, we'll see next season how good we are in Serie A... hopefully our management finally decide to make Serie A our first priority before it's too late and we are overtaken by Inter in the number of Scudettos won...



Carlo finished with Parma as Serie A runners up once, Twice with Juve. and has won us the Scudetto just once in 7 seasons [we're not going to win this season, are we?]. there's no doubt for me that he is not the right coach if we want the Scudetto.

Excellent post Jack

Here's my view on what you say:

First of all I think the only reason carlo is still here is because of Athens. I also think that because of our lowly league position(again!) carlo will go at the end of the season, unless we win the CL. That is why the management haven't given carlo money to spend.

Secondly you mention Terim, IIRC he was only manager for about 6 games before getting his marching orders. And that season was one of our biggest spending seasons with Rui and Pippo being two of our biggest signings!

You also say that carlo doesn't get the praise he deserves, but when he first started with Milan he was getting all the plaudits(deservedly so) for revolutionizing our style of play. Unfortunately since then though he hasn't really changed anything and we are being found out by many other teams. Other managers like SAF, Jose or even Arsene Wenger have changed their styles and can win at home as well In fact I would even go so far as to say Arsenal are one of the prettiest footballing teams in the world at this moment, and with their youth they have a very bright future ahead of them.

On to a different matter and that is this ridiculous comment that we would play 'ugly football' under Jose. I mean WTF is that supposed to mean? Are we supposed to be playing pretty football now? Because I don't think we do. Chelsea under Jose would often play a 4-3-3 and I have also seen Jose sub a def for a forward when needed - something carlo would never do!
The funny thing is that under Zacheroni we didn't really play attractive football yet we won Lo Scudetto and I never saw anyone complaining

not only you , everybody feared his puke football and everybody get him serious

Milan under Carlo have played both types of football. Up until the 05/06 season, Milan where playing some of the best football just behind Barca

Yes these past 2 seasons it sometimes has been hard to even watch, but it hasn't always been that way.

I personally think that no matter how ugly the football we play if Mourinho was to ever come most fans still wouldn't care if he was to start winning trophies every season. And Jose might make you want to gauge your eyes out with a spoon, but there is still no one out there that is a better league coach then he is, maybe Capello in his hey days could only compare to him

In general both Jose and Carlo play boring football, they both have off games where their team is entertaining. I'd even say Jose is more entertaining since he uses wingers, which I generally find better to watch.

But Jose is a winner, if Milan got him, would be one of the best signings we've made for a few years!

Mourinho is not a quitter. He would have gone nowhere!

Mourinho has no class because of his attitude. But if Don Silvio picked him then he would put faith in him being more... "politically correct". And I would put faith in our President's choice.


Cause it's better to let a new coach create his own team than keep Carlo for another season or two and then get a new coach to lay with Carlo's team...

Everything comes to an end, good or bad. I believe Carletto should leave now for the above reason. It would benefit both sides!


Yes, when he had a healthy squad! Sheva's Milan was fantabulous!! I despise both all-attacking teams and all-defensive teams. That Milan stood right where she should, somewhere in the middle...

Carlo is a winner also, I think the fact that he has won every club trophy there is to win with us proves that.

But you can't say that the Milan team that played with the diamond midfield and 2 strikers was ever boring. As I said in those times under Carlo we were playing some of the best football in Europe. Up until we had Sheva we were playing great football that was great to watch. Mourinho has never had a team like that, that you would just watch only because the football was entertaining. Carlo did.


Exactly

Well, here I am,..I allways do complain about Zaccheroni. But under him we really did not play "bad" or "defensive" football, we played a chaotic system. Yeah he did get us the Scudetto, but it was a catastrophy. We played awfully in the CL...
That brings me to the topic - what's the last time we won a double? Must have been 1994, right? You see, Milan either plays the league or the CL, at least for the last decade.


Again, this can easily be turned...What was he supposed to win the Serie A with Parma? No, seriously,..2 out of that 7 seasons were obviously fixed, or at least we could not have won. Then there was his first season. So for 3/7 seasons he has very clear excuses. Maybe I'll regret telling this now but to be honest, with all that Calciopoli stuff, fan violence and everything around the Serie A I don't give a damn about the home title. Of course, it would have been nice, especially since Inter comes near to our record and we could soon get the second star, but...I'm kind off dissapointed when it comes to the Serie A..


Right. Do I have to mention that Pirlo and Seedorf were only shadows of the players they became with us. Carlo should be credited for that aslo,..

Chelsea very entertaining to watch in Jose's first year. Unfortunately losing Robben to injur too often made them change their style a little, then they became boring.

Which is the same as Carlo, losing one player forced a change and they became boring. They're both great managers in every respect, I just find Jose's mentality much better. I'd pick him over Carlo any day.

Still don't think Chelsea under Mourinho were ever exciting to watch, but thats just me

As for the Carlo vs Jose debait, both coaches have their prose and cons. Carlo is the better cup competition coach, he's proved that he's probably the best in Europe in the CL. Jose is the better league coach.

I think that most Milan fans at this moment would want Jose, simply because we haven't won the league or even done well in the league for the last couple of seasons.

I personally would like to see a change in management, and would love to have Mourinho, simple because of the Seria A factor

I think we'll have to disagree on this one. In my opinion Carlo isn't as good in cup competitions as he seems, does he do well in the Coppa? No. Does he do well in the CL? Yes, but it sure helps when you're not competing in the league.

Jose on the other hand came 2nd in the league last year, won 2 of the 3 cup competitions he entered, and made the semi final of the other - all whilst still going all out in the league.

But 2 important things for Jose is that he's not a 'yes man' and he makes attacking changes, he'll risk things to win a game, Carlo won't. Jose will also not stand for being shown up in the league, as it would hurt his reputation, he'd demand new players that he fels can contend for the title. He won't just accept Galliani's "We have enough already" excuses. If Carlo stays, yes we may win the CL, but it's not special when you're not even finishing in the top 3 of your own league. At least Jose would make this club look more respectable in terms of how it does in competitions - I'm willing to take his so called bad attitude if it means changing the club for the better.

I want to know why Chelsea with Mourinho didnt reach UCL final , he had 2 chance with liverpool in semifinal but he lost both of them in a similar way , we did another with Liverpool , in an unfortunate final that we were superior in 114 minutes we lost and then in 2007 we win ,

and
how can we say Mourinho is a League title coach ? He win it with Chelsea when other top teams in England couldnt be good rivals with Abramovich Milion of Pounds , but after 2 seasons when other top teams reach that point we couldnt saw that dominant Mourinho even in League , there is no strong reason that he can do good things with truly great teams like Real or Milan !

So why didn't Chelsea win the league in Abramovich's first season? Because they didn't have the great manager.

Arsenal, United and Liverpool are very rich clubs, always have been, they've always competed with Chelsea in terms of money.

He won 4 in the last 5 years. Just that. 2002/03, 2003/04, 2004/05, 2006/07
Porto (2) and Chelsea (2).

Oh, and he never gave up on the Championship (or other competition) in November/December.

In the last 5 (4 in fact) years he won everything in Portugal and England.

Oh , this is very clear , because others dont except that > you want to compare Milan bench in this way ????

Are you trying to say his successes in EPL and Portugal League (aside from CL and UEFA titles) were accidental?

Yes, there's no guarantee that he can repeat his league success here, but there's no reason he will fail in Milan either.