It seems like 4th place will not be guaranteed until the very last giornata so I hope R20 decides to pledge his future to Barcelona earlier than that!

There are 28 points left to play for with the only tough game being the one against Fiorentina, but that's in the San Siro, And Palermo are slipping fast and Empoli bound to lose more points.

I think we'll secure 4th before then and maybe third, since Lazio still have some tough matches left to play

Anyway, I just hope we don't sign R20 (but we do sign some great players, not hesitate in order to get him next season)!

Didn't R10's brother say something about Ronadlnho declaring where he will be next season in a week or two ?!

Well hasn't it been 2 weeks yet ??



In any case, if I was to choose, I wouldn't go for anyone but R10. I mean he is a complete player; he can play at the flanks, in Kaka's position, and as a support striker .. Above all, he has immense qualities.

Yeah, it's hard to say 'no' to player like him.

BTW if he comes = more Milan broadcasts around the world

yaa.... i read this article last night. i dont see how gattuso is making any ref. about R10 coming.... all he's saying is that iut's important to make CL, obviously theres many reasons: money, keep key players (kaka), MILANISTA PRIDE and summer signings (not necessarily R10).

2 options:

-100M for Ronaldinho + 1 or 2 freebies...
-25M for: a foward (Caracciolo style), a midfielder (Vogel) and a 33 yo defender.

I understand you and many other Milan fans think "100M? OH! With that we can buy Sneijder, Klose and Barzagli. Maybe Torres too."

But Berlusconi stated more than once that the only play he would spend such zillions is Ronaldinho. If we don't get him... I doubt we spend more than 20-25M Galliani style this Summer.

Sad, but Porto is right

true but if we continue like this, that is not signing enough players and oldies we wont have a team to play with because everyones going to be retired and in old folks homes.

Buffon has publicly stated that he misses CL and wants to play in the CL next season, with Don Silvio being an admirer of Buffon don't be surprised if we get fourth or even third of Don Silvio splashing the cash First of all though carlo must go - while carlo's in charge no money will be spent.

Berlusconi wants many things. He'd love to f@ck Aida Yespica but the truth is, he can't get it up anymore. I don't want always what Berlusconi wants. I may like Yespica but not R20 too!

In fact I'd rather have the Galliani transfers instead of R20! I don't want his buck teeth or his commercials in Milan plus this town is far too fashion-addicted for his Nike bandeaus!! He can twist them round playing for Barcelona and Brazil but I wouldn't like to see him go to Milanello only whenever he feels like it. And yeah Berlusconi said he wouldn't allow that but your b!tch has so many contracts to follow he don't get the time to got pee...

He's not worth half that money in my opinion and he would come alone. That means he can't cover up for our shitty and slow defence and midfield. Or are we going to win every game 4-3!?? Do not only look at the team now, in 2 years' time we're gonna need 3 brand new midfielders and 2 new full-backs... do you wanna live the season we're going through at the moment again?? I'm absolutely sure you don't!

And Berlusconi never said he wouldn't spend E60m to reinforce Milan!


Well I'm not the biggest Ancelotti admirer but then again where does this come from?? Do we know which players Carlo wants? You think they'd let him speak in public about that? Or did he want to spend E20m on Oliveira? I doubt he ever had watched him play before!

PS My Dreamcast has been on fire lately!

Geez I_Ross...you do know that it's not Carlo who does the transfers right?

For the 1801920192323 millionth time, he's coach NOT manager. He has to play with what he's been given.

When he asked for a DMF, Milan made a feint for Diarra and got him Brocchi.When he wanted a striker, Milan got him Rico, coz we had to kiss @$$ with Assiss( I know of no other explanation). When Carlo made his displeasure known, the only way he could, by not playing him, he finally got R9 about 4 months later than when he wanted.

You want to fault Carlo, fault his substitutions, as much as I like Carletto, you will have a point there, he's made too many subs that haven't worked. But don't fault his transfer policy, coz that's not his.

Again, the quote from Galliani, ' The transfers happen only if the chosen player is well-received by the coach and the players and everyone on the team'

Now what part of that statement makes u think that Carlo is in charge here.

When the Don wants a manager out he doesn't give him financial backing, he's done it before. But when we get a new manager the Don gives him a helping hand. That is why I reckon that either calo will be gone(my dream ) and we will spend or carlo will stay with some Galliani freebies(my nightmare )

And do you believe in that?

Like I_Ross said, maybe if we had a new coach... but even with that, no coach would say no to Ronaldinho. Not even Mourinho.

Actually Silvio, in the past 5 yrs didnt spend much .. 25M on Sheva in 99 ..Rui 30M, then Inzaghi in 2002 30M ... But that was what in the span of 5 yrs that is all he spent. Plus, the Sheva transfer was from his own coffers, not the clubs.


Carlo isn't the problem here, it is Silvio's vision. And that vision has gotten Milan at the top. U don't need to turn this into drama, cuz at the end of the day, no matter how hard we try to get our point of view across, I doubt Silvio checks this forum. He'll just go with what he feels best, and that I trust 110%

It's not what we want and it's not what Galliani wants. Silvio is paying out of his pockets for R10. Milan will conduct their transfers as usual, if R10 is to come, it would be dictated and financed by Silvio Berlusconi. That is the line u have to draw ..

As much as u wouldn't like him here, it is kind of vague right now, whether he come or not. But, be sure if he does, that Galliani and Carlo have no say into his transfer. Looking at the potential transfers; non look more appealing than R10 atm, maybe Buffon but that is if he decides to leave, Milan will definatelly make a move, whether they go for R10 or not doesn't matter

If Milan was to retiere Costacurta and Co. Be sure, reinforcments will come in, and ones with quality and experience. So don't go hoping for Alves

When costacurta leaves we have marzoratti to replace him when maldini leaves we have antonelli to replace him

whether they will be good enough or not is a different question

1899% agreed. Except for that Dreamcast part

Funny that carlo took over in 2002 when The Don last spent big

I thought The Don spent €100million in 2002 without the €25m on Sheva plus the €25m he spent on Gila. €150m over 5 years is rather a lot of money in my book.

On Gila it was 17m to be exact ... and 5 years from now does date back to 2002 ... My point was, to shed light on the club will spend their $$ without our consent 150m over 5 years is alot of money Go tell that to Abramovic, Laporta, Angieli, Moratti, and Perez .. Then come and tell me it is alot of money. Milan didn't spend much, when you want to compare it to the top clubs, the managment has spent the least

p.s. my point wasn't to play cat and mouse, but to shed light on whatever the club decides to do with the $$, they will do it without our consent.

Gila was £17m which is roughly €23m

I'm sure u know best oo wise one

Again:



Stop running around the point I was making.

Resorting to sarcasm because you know that I was right...Oh dear!

You said that Don Silvio hadn't spent much money to which I showed you that he had spent at least €150m since 2002 which would equate to €30m a year - a lot of money in anyone's book. I also explained that the Don will help a new manager out(like in '02 with carlo), but when he doesn't back a manager he won't spend his cash(unless the fans riot like they did for Gila ). So I stand by what I say when I say the only way R10 and Buffon will come will be if carlo goes

This is where I don't agree with you.

If Silvio wanted Carlo out then he would have sent him packing a long time ago, after Istanbul would have been a great time to do it.

But he didn't. You say this yourself also, what Silvio wants, Silvio gets. So if he wanted Carlo out then he wouldn't hesitate for a second to sack him.

^^^^^^

What han says...exactly what he says.

Silvio can't remove Carlo, coz he's been the only coach Milan have had who looks even remotely likely to replicate the successes of Capello and Sacchi. Arguably Milan's greatest era since Gre-No-Li....I could be wrong though. My history is a bit off.

Under Carlo I don't ever remember Milan being not contenders. 6th consecutive time quarter finalists...so on and so forth. And if we win against Bayern(admittedly a big IF), we become third consecutive time semi-finalists. Or is it fourth.

As for Serie A. Honestly this season has been a sham and you know it. Transfer wise, player-form wise, player-injury wise and not exactly been the best refereeing either.

The Don won't publicly go about getting carlo out he'll just not give him money to spend - He has done it before

But he is not the one spending the money....It's Braida and Galliani.

Carlo is just another employee like the players. That's the way it is in Italy. He has no say whatsoever.

Besides this season, I can't find one season where Carlo has screwed us up.

So what are you looking for ? an applause ?? Why because you figured out that a football club spends big when it appoints a new coach ?! Give me a break, if Milan changes coaches, Silvio will still buy whoever he sees fit and will tell the coach that it's my way or the highway. So, even if Carlo stays, there won't be a change in the clubs transfer targets .. i.e. Maldini and Costacurta will retire this season, and considering Carlo is staying, they will be replaced. And no, not by novice defenders from the primavera.

The problem is, you don't quit understand that 30M and 20M are no where close to what some other clubs pay to get players. Chelsea bought Essian for close to 40M and Shevchenko for 45M Drogba 36M, Madrid bought Zidane for close to 70M and Beckham close to 50M Diarra anyone ??... (Just to make the long list short, those clubs can outbid anyone on the market, that is why Milan needed confirmation that they will be the only club R10 would sign for)

But u know what 30M is a lot in anyones book, but that book excludes Billionaires, cuz they see Millions, how anyone sees thousands .. and noones see hundreds .. and hundreds see everyone

Therefore, Carlo's appointment saw Carlo deal with the squad he already has (that the club brings in), Carlo requested a couple of players like Inzaghi, but the bulk of players are what the club gave him .. Didn't he want Emerson ?? The club gave him Broochi.

A new coach would ease Silvio into spending more ?? He still is gonna acquire R10 u know, whether the new coach wants him or not, or even if Carlo continues .. As for Buffon, well IF Juventus agree to sell him, that is the ONLY way he would come to us.

150M (approx) Silvio spent during Carlo's reign ? Okay, now explain to me Abramovic, Perez, Moratti, etc .. Hell Moratti hasn't won anything notable (except recently) and he spent Millions like coins as if he was playing the slot machine. The coach doesn't set the standards, well he might at Villareal or Newcatle, but not at a top team.

And even if ur right about the 17M difference to the 26M ... it wasn't even the point of the argument.

Point to take into consideration : Appointing a new coach doesn't mean more $$$ will be spent, even with the current coach. If the board likes him, they will continue to maintain the team the way they would, even if they appoint a new one. vis versa it all works that way. The club wont consider any of our views, they have a pretty professional view on how they like to deal with their team. It is one thing to dislike Carlo, but it is another to claim that Silvio will break the bank with a new coach.

Gattuso is the man but i dont hope that Dino comes

This is the guy who kept criticising Carlo in the media even after we had won the league and the CL, playing probably the best football in Europe. And I don't think Silvio ever gave Carlo money to spend.

And I don't think we've actually spent as much as you guys are making it out to be. For example at the beginning of the 02/03 season we spalshed out on Nesta, but we got Rivaldo for free, Seedorf for free, and sold some fringe players like Colloccini and Contra. So basically we made up for half of what we paid for Nesta by removing the players we didn't need. And in return got players like Seedorf and Rivaldo for free (even though the latter turned out to be a big dissappointment we still made good money out of him when we sold him, plus we made a lot of money out of marketing when he first arrived. I remember paople were going crazy for his merchandise when he had just arrived)

So in reality apart from Sandro and Gila we never really spent big for Carlo. Pippo and Rui Costa came when our Coach was Terim.

Of course I do. I just have to look at the money Silvio has spent in certain periods.

I'm 101% sure Mourinho and many others would say NO to R20!! Those are people who respect their job thus they want that respect to be given back to them by their players. R20's absence from training sessions is as unethical and unprofessional as it gets and Mourinho is no Rijkaard to indulge the whimsies of a money b!tch!


OK then I will just be one more inactive member, not saying what/who I'd like to see in Milan, just blindly agreeing with everything that happens.


Marzoratti is a right back...

And I don't think either one of them can come close (just close, we can't expect anything better from anyone in the world) to the legendary level of Maldini and Costacurta. Maybe time will prove me wrong but it would be exremely unlikely that we will so easily find two worthy successors!


What? You don't like the Dreamcast!!?? I pity you...


But why hasn't Silvio "discarded" Carlo?? I expected this to happen a long time ago but didn't see it happen...


I'm absolutely certain that no big players will come THIS summer to replace Costacurta and (possibly) Maldini!! Not even if we don't get R20... it will only be Primavera players!

If the world operated like Chelsea then we'd already be in WWIII !! You will see no such signing from Chelsea anymore, mark my words. Abramovich had his fun and he's taking it seriously by sticking to Kenyon's plan.

@dst ... No that isn't what I meant. Everyone has a right to their own opinion and I respect urs s I respect any others .. But I just wanted to highlight, that if there was a budget to be spent, R10 is a special case and wont take anything away from the club's plans to replace certain players.

About Chelsea, they have spent a lot in recent years. And I agree, Abramovic wont be spending what he has last season and the one before. But considering how much Milan spent in the past 5 years, Chelsea and Madrid above all others spent 10x more than Milan. I was just highlighting that fact, not basing the clubs future on it

Exactly .. Milan hasn't spent much ... But I thought Inzaghi came under Carlo's reign

Now ur doing it all again and confusing me

No, he came with Rui under Terim, Carlo just took over in November from Terim so it just seems that way. But Pippo came in the summer when Terim was our coach.

hmm ok .. So then Silvio spent 30M when Carlo came to Milan ..

When he first came he spent something like 30M on Nesta, but the tohers likeSeedorf and Rivaldo came for free, but again we made up half of what we spent on Nesta by sellng some fringe players.

The in 03/04 we got guys like Cafu for free but where very important for us winning the league and in 04/05 we also got some freebies that helped us go the distance in both competitions plus the loan of Crespo.

So basically we only spent big on Gila and Nesta since Carlo's reign.

Where did the 150M go

Nesta, Lazio were financially in trouble, and Silvio came intervened for him. So I guess Carlo didn't get any player he desired ...

I think at the time Nesta was the number one CB in the world. We had a choice between him and Cannavaro. Carlo would have definately wanted Nesta especially since at that time our only good defender was Maldini and an already to old Billy

No I am not doubting Nesta's quality and I too would have prefered him too Canavarro (a merda at that time) ... But I don't think Carlo had a say in this one, Silvio reiterated that he only signed Nesta, so the other clubs wont gain a quality cb .. And of course to maintain the team's defense.

Yeah... Carlo isn't really big on signing star players... That's why the managment like him so much... He can get the job done without spending a fortune like those other teams and they still don't have our success. But it would be a lie to say this kind of mentality doesn't have its side effects.

Agreed, but at that time we really needed a CB since we could barely contain a team from Russia when we where qualifying for the CL. A quality CB at that time was what was needed most, and we got REAL quality. I'm pretty sure that Carlo asked them for a CB, but I would find it hard to believe that he actually SPECIFICALLY asked for Nesta.


I think they mostly like him becuase he doesn't DEMAND star players, the fact that he wanted someone like Gilberto but got Brocchi in the summer but still didn't complain is very indicative of this.

R20 how many R's are there

It's R99, R20 and United's R7... but now R20 is R7 too so it's kinda complicated.

What? I thought it was:

R7: C. Ronaldo
R99: Ronaldo
R10: Ronaldinho

so who´s R20?

R20 is Ronaldinho ever since Kaka took number 10 in Brazil!!

I thought Ronaldinho is R20 because he become fat

You're all wrong.

Ronaldinho: 10R. (His brand)