That's cause we were playing with only one striker, and that was Ronaldo. So go figure out...

we did but when you have to sub a striker after 10 mins the odds are against you but we battled are and ambro was are savorier so bring on Palermo!!

I think you will get your wish in the summer when carlo leaves

will probably after next season as he has a contract until 2008 and galliani has said he will be there until the end

So only strikers score? Please get a grip!

Sure, it's the only good thing that came out from this day!

And you believe Galliani?

Sure, it's the only good thing that came out from this day!

Why thankyou


Yep exactly, Kaka and Ronaldo where getting manhandled out there, everytime they where about to accelerate with the ball to start an attack they would get hacked down.

The ref was the problem in this match imo, not Carlo's tactics and not the way the players played






We struggle becuase of the fact we where down to ten men, as I've previously said, R9 was forced to play really deep and at times we had no one in the box, we looked like Arsenal when they play Henry alone upfront.

Also Kaka and R9 where getting fouled everytime they had the ball.

Samp are a very organised side and we always find it hard against them, in fact we haven't been able to beat them for quite some time now.

As I said, the problem in this game was the ref, That was never a red for oddo, if we had stayed with 11 men for the entire match I'm pretty sure we would have scored earlier.

Finally a mention for the guy who is the future of our defence. Bonera Again what a class performance, he was practically a one man show dealing with Quagliarella and co. Simic wasn't doing enough to help him and imo oddo got sent off mostly becuase he was cought sleeping

Before we all get carried away about playing in ten men, let us not forget that Samp also were playing in ten men for a very long time also...

Agree with everything you say han except it was a red for oddo

He had a great game, and didn't deserve the yellow card.

You misunderstood me. What I meant was we were playing with only one striker, and that was Ronaldo. But seeing his weight, he sure isn't someone who can run all day like Gila or Pippo would do. He was there walking all the time. Sure, he helped a lot collecting balls from midfield and advancing forward, but his pace is still to improve. Ho he was just too slow. Like han mentioned in one post above, when Cafu was about to cross one moment, there was no one in the area. You didn't watch the match, but when Pippo entered the field, we began to play better because Samp's defenders understood there was no walking around anymore, and that Pippo is someone to mark straight if you don't wanna get caught by his sneaky intuition. And what's why everyone was marking Pippo on our goal, and completely forgot about Ambro, who scored. That's what I really meant.

I see, my apologies. I thought you were trying to make excuses.

It's alright, I forgive you.

Is this a joke!!! You think we played like sh!t because of the ref? Are serious or stone man? This is b/s!!!!!!!

Carlo is the main reason of this mess, he didn't play to win but not to lose!
Just the fact that he played with Rino and Maxou is enough to struggle, especially when you have only one playmaker (Seedorf/Pirlo)!
We had no creativity and no occasions, we were playing as if we were in Genoa not in Milan (At least they were playing with 2 strikers!) and we won because the god of football were with us tonight!

But we still got the 3 points.

another objective and considered post
we played with rino and ambro because pirlo,gourcoff and seedorf had all been ill brocchi was suspended, seedorf was the only 1 to be considered fit enough to start and did fade in the 2nd half. sure samp played with 2 strikers but they aren't the quality of ronaldo or pippo and to be fair didn't really bother us and i don't think we played like s**t to be honest and we won because we kept working hard and had a slice of luck but we've had some bad luck so all in all things evened them selves out

I think that it's the first time ever that I agree with you.

Actually I wasn't talking about changing a midfielder with another midfielder at all!!!

Pippo/Gourcuff should have came in for Ambro/Gattuso at least to give us more strench up front!

If you think Quagliarella and Bonazzoli/Bazzani aren't quality to score against Bonera/Simic or they are not equal to the threat that R9/Pippo was against their defense, that's your problem! I think they did better!

Oh, and I agree we kept working very hard to keep the scoreless draw!



To be honest I'm just stupid and dont kwon a sh!t about football.
Actually I like to bother others and creat confusion, there is a word for that but I'm so dumb that I can't recall it

wow milan has some character to win a game that late with 9 men... just amazing but oli got a red? man this guy is pissing me off? what did he do to get a red?

Silvio Berlusconi was at San Siro this evening to watch Milan conquer the 3 pts.

In the end:

"Ronaldo? Excellent match. 3 points that make us more confortable.
"I'm confident for the Champions League.
"Dida's future? Talk about the present...

(I'll post the same in Dida's thread)

oddo got a red it was ruben oliveria for samp who was sent off

oh hahahaha k my mistake.k well a win is a win is a win.

Oh dear someone forgot there tablets again

We where playing with 10 men for 80 minutes, Samp where playing with 10 for 45 minutes.

So yes it does make a difference

If that was red for Oddo then the last man tackle on Ronaldo by Falcone was also a red. In fact the falcone tackle was much worce then the one Oddo made, when it was clear that the Samp player dived because oddo never even touched him.




Man you really need to chill. This isn't the time to be moaning about how we got the win, just be happy that we got it.

When I say it's because of the ref it's because of the undeserved red and the fact that he kept making stupid calls. We didn't play like sh!t, we were all over Samp when we where a man down in the first half, the only chance they had was that 30 meter snap shot. We were going for the win with 10 down and we had much better chances then them.

We played with 10 men for 80 minutes of the match while Samp only played the second half with ten men, that will take it's toll on the team, both phisacly and mentally.

The tactics where spot on, you really wanted to see the fiasco of a defence we had against Siena? Bonera and Simic haven't played with eachother before, so Carlo put in the 2 defensive mids because he didn't want to put them under unneccesary pressure.

Samp where the team that where trying to hold on to the draw not us.

And you've also got to understand that playing with ten men for nearly the entire match is no joke and therefore the team has to be more careful about what it does. Carlo made the rught subs at the right time. R9 was getting really tired because of all the work he put in so he subbed him for the slippery Pippo, Seedorf faided away in the 2nd half so he put on Pirlo who was the one that made all the differenc in the end.

Just get off the teams back. This isn't the time to be crying and whining about the perfromanc, be happy about the 3 pts.

bravo han that's a great post
guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on the red card situation but that's ok

Thanks

But what did you think about the challenge on Ronaldo?

Becuase imo if that wasn't a red then neither should be the one on Oddo. All I ask is of some consistancy from the ref.

Well put.
About that tackle on Ronaldo - yes it was made from behind (as the player Falcone was sliding to the ball), but I saw in replay that he got the ball first and then hit Ronaldo whit his knees, all in all he was the one who got to the ball faster so this was a good decision from the ref not to book him.
As for Oddo - it was more a yellow for him but let's just say that the ref made a 50 - 50 decision for which we can't blaim him too much (Oddo did slightly touch the player and the player had a clear path to the goal - this by rules is a red card).
Second yellow for Olivera also a good decision as he clearly tackled Kaka.
In my opinion the ref in this three occasions didn't made any unforgiven mistakes (I watched replys for many times).
But let's wait and see what ''experts'' will comment in tommorow newspapers.

Did I mention how much I love Bonera? His tackles kinda remind of Maldini...

It's despairing!



I'm quite calm actually, oh and b!tches moan I dont



Then you and mishie probably saw the same match and I saw another one!
In the match I saw, la samp had more then one occasion and dida made a great save on quasomething's bicycle kick, they also were at least 5 time more dangerous than Milan, oh and Milan played like sh!t and defended most of the time like they were leading or something!



Sienna game had nothing to do with the tactic it was the players that didn't want to play!

I can understand that when they were 11 players on the field but after that IMO it was pure incompetence to keep playing with 2 DM, oh I mean 3 sorry



Whatever!



Oh sure "I've got to understand", it seems to be the problem with me I relly dont understand
Give R9 a partner in the attack and you'll see who the tired one him or the defender!
Give him the occasion Pippo had when he left the ball behind him and you'll see!
Anyway, I think it's pointless since you seem to prefer waiting for the individual players to make the difference than make some godamn tactical changes, Mourinho this afternoon changed Makelele for Robben cause he was struggling, and you know what happened? Robben made an assist and Chelsea won!
Now tell me what Carlo did tonight to win the game, nothing he just waited for Kaka Pippo or Ambro to do something extraordinary, and thank God they did! Give me a break!



Crying yeah, I was commenting your post the one in where you said that it was the ref's fault and we played well, read my after match's post and then give it another try, pfffffffff!

Oh and please do me a favour and avoid those kind of comments "Just get off the teams back" in the future ok!!!

He's been great lead the defensive line billiantly tonight


Then why does everyone seem to be agreeing with my post and only you aresn't. Ok so they had 2 good chances in the entire first half when they had a numerical advantage, big deal, Kaka had 2 great shots save, Jankulovski also has a great free kick saved and Ronaldo almost twice connected to crosses coming in but couldn't, and this was when we where with a man down.


Pirlo was not fit to start and neither was Yoann, Seedorf was the only playmaker available and he wasn't even 100% yet.

The Sienna game was sucha catastrophy in defence because we went all out in attack and where left vulnarable in defence. Playing 2 defensive mids while with 10 men and a patched up defence is not a big travisty, it's a smart move.
And in the end it was a defensive midfielder that got us the goal not a striker or another playmaker


Our goal didn't come from a piece of indidual brilliance, it came froma good team move, Pirlo (who was a sub btw) started the move by spotting Janku on a run and feeding him a long ball out to the flank and Janku crossed the ball and Ambro headed it in, I don't see how that's a piece of individual brilliance. In the end Sampdoria lost the game because they where the ones trying to sit on the draw and we kept trying to win the match.



I'm sorry but how old are you???

You really act like a small child especially when replying in this manner, and I never said we play bad because of the ref I said the ref nearly cost us the match, read my posts carefully before you reply please.

We won, be happy about it, end of story, I'm really done with this conversation with you because you really don't know how to discuss in an adult manner

I`ve just checked out the result...a great feeling to see us back in winning form at least..

3 POINTS MY LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not a good game (story of 2006/2007 season) but 3 points!!

Simic-Bonera was worse than I expected but it was a million times better than Bonera on his own. Ermm... I mean Bonera with Kaladze!





This is what most people think about that kind of situations but it's wrong. The rule does not mention anything about any last man, it say a red card is been shown when a man in a clear goal position is brought down!!


a great low point for Giuve that is...


He-he!!

Well, I`m a bit interested now...how was exactly Å imić`s play?

Mediocre.

Since we didn`t conceeded any...Å imić is pretty much all the time mediocre. It`s good to have someone like that on the bench..

Hey, has anyone a clip of that Ambro goal? I`d like to check it out...

Here!

Thanx...That will keep me awake till the Oscar`s start..

Good luck!

Cause 90% of MilanFan members lack football knowledge
What the f@ck are you talking about, do you call Yanku and Kakà freekicks occasions, I was talking about real goal opportunities, when either the GK makes a great save or the player lacks some luck/skills! And what did you say "R9 almost" that exactly what my young brother says when he sees the ball comes into the penalty area! Stupid!



Pointless!



Hopeless!



A smart move to keep the scoreless draw, yes.
Whatever!



I meant something inexpected, Kakà run, Pippo "lucky" goal or Ambro saving goal, but I think you're confusing something extraordinary and individual brilliance
Oh wait, now I think you're right cause that header from Ambro was an individual brilliance since the ball was a little behind him and he managed to put exactely where the keeper couldn't get it



Ok, I dont really know if I start to insult you right know or ignore your stupidness!
I think you're kind of senil, cause your forget what you say, hopefully you wrote it!



Let me see, from "the problem in this game was the ref" you ended to "I never said we play bad because of the ref I said the ref nearly cost us the match" amazing!
And I suppose that "I never said we play bad because of the ref" comes from this "I was commenting your post the one in where you said that it was the ref's fault" clearly you dont understand a sh!t!

All in all, be sure that this is the last replay you'll get from me, and since you're acting like I insulted you or something, here is my last 3 words for you in an adult manner of course F@CK YOU @SSHOLE

You know you are a complete idiot when you call han an @sshole...

If I was a mod here, I would ban you from this wonderful community with all your horrible comments...

If I was a Milan player, I would have been discouraged by having a so called "fan" like you...

And last but not least, if I ever saw you in person, I'd beat the idiot out of you...

Indeed it could be great if we could meet and put an end to the question as men do jerk

Oh and you don’t have to be a mod, I’m off the forum for good!

Have fun!

@milanistar It's o.k to disagree. There is no reason to insult someone just because you have a different opinion about a game. In football there is always various opinions and we are here all supporting the same team.

It's ok guys, the guy is calling me senile when he is the one acting like a child after every match that doesn't end with a goal fest and a clean sheet.

I'm not even going to reply to him, because I don't want to stoop to his level.

btw thanks for having my back Max I know we sometimes disagree on certain topics but we always discuss it in an adult and civilised manner not like 4 year old kids in a playground

Ok, then I was wrong, but I still think that if that was a red for Oddo, then Falcone should have also seen red after he fouled Ronaldo when he had a CLEAR goalscoring opportunity

IMO Oddo's was a clear red card while Falcone's was a clear tackle on the ball.

I've watched the replay 10 times already, and I think it was more of foul on Ronaldo, Falcone might have intented to go for the ball but he still cought Ronaldo from behind. I think it was a foul.

Btw, that was a total dive by the Samp player when Oddo was given red.

It shouldn't have been a red for Oddo. Even if he didn't get the ball, I don't think it was a foul let alone a yellow or a red card offense. Falcone got the ball but also the player so I dunno if it's a foul or not. Anyway the ref was sh!t not even including them two decisions and it would've been an easier game had it been 11 vs. 11 (until Olivera was sent off) in which case it would've been even easier. We deserved the win no question. For me Bonera was man of the match (have we finally found a replacement for Baresi? ) Looking forward to playing Palermo, it won't be the same game as the last time we played them. Hopefully it'll be the other way around. FORZA MILAN!!!