Oh and to avoid confusion I respect yours and X-Offender's opinions I just feel like typing my thoughts ...

I'll just rate Oliveira: 0 ... cause he simply destroyed anything that was created, which for this match was decisive!!

Ok, why don't you agree with Nesta and Kaladze getting a 6? They both kept winning balls and giving it to the midfileders and attackers and you know how the midfield and attack played today! Favalli was awesome? Gimmie a break! A LB's job is not only to defend, which I know he is pretty good at. Favalli is way too slow and he ruins the game for our other players. One of the reasons Carletto likes to play Serginho as a LB is because he might not be a good defender, but he links up with our midfield and attack very very very well!
Oh and I agree with what you said about Oliveira. He was really that bad today. I think he literally gave away every single ball that came his way today!

Because Nesta's game was flawless while Kaladze made a big, foolish mistake and some others less grave too !!


well awesome is a bit soft I guess ... But he was better than Bonera and he did what he was put on to do great (which is not soft). If there was one player that ruined the game for others he was Seedorf who slowed down every time we were on a break ... So you might ask your break from him !!!


Oh I thought because Silvio asks him so ...

Thats funny because I forgot we were playing and only managed to hear the last 30 mins or so of the game. It's obvious that playing two defensive midfielders together will stifle our attack, I know Ambro can get goals but surely it would have been better to have got goals and swapped Rino for Ambro(or vice versa)

My big problem with carlo now is that after spending last season not rotating players, he is know rotating too much. We need to get a first 11 and swap maybe 1 or 2 players regularly, not 5 or 6 as it oesn't give the layers enough time to gel together. I'm all for rotating, but not as much as we're doing at the moment.

WTF??? Favalli was awful, he did nothing. He didn't touch a single ball the entire time. Bonera was miles better. As I said before, the only negative thing of him was not crossing, but in overall he did pretty good, believe it or not. Janku, for those only minutes he played, did what he could. He was attacking all the time and defending too. But what can somebody do when he isn't supported by the team? Kakà was the best of match, for both squads. He was running all the time, shooting, his shoots were all near the goal and also combined with his team mates. And last, we all know what type of player Inzaghi is. He's there just to put the ball inside the goal, but explain me, if there was't any ball to put inside, is it his fault? NO.

I don't have a problem with the number of players he "rotates", what concerns me is that those that played in the WC with Italy are the ones that have rarely rested ... except Nesta that is ... I think the next two games are going to be the last rotated ones ... and from then on we're going to be on fire!!!

Awful ...
Man you need to learn what defending means ... Livorno did not create anything from their right wing only because he was covering his opponents perfectly !! Nothing to do with touching the ball, you need to learn how to watch defenders so that you can judge them right ... There's a saying where you can start from: "If you don't make mistakes then there's nothing to cover up for" ...

And ofcourse now I get why Janku got a 6 ... because he "touched" the ball ... I reall don't get why taking a long run and then making a useless pass is better than not doing it at all ...


Ofcourse we know what kind of player Super Pippo is; he's a cynical type of player ... There were 3 balls for him to put in one of which he preffered to bycicle kick instaed of heading it in ... that's not the Pippo we know !!

Are you sure? I think Favalli was awful in defending too. That's why I gave him 4, cause he didn't either attack or defend. Bonera at least did the second almost perfectly and a little bit the first. And I didn't say Janku played better cause he "touched the ball" no. I said he did better cause he was attacking all the time, he wanted to do something for the team, but with players like Seedorf on his side whose only purpose was to make Armando Pichi his bedroom there wasn't much to do.



I don't think that bycicle was such a HUGE miss. Players like Oliveira had much better chances and didn't score. Pippo was waiting for the team to react, he even backed in the midfield to take some balls, but with most of his team mates sleeping, he couldn't make a difference.

Ofcourse Janku is player with much bigger potential than Favalli but this and the fact that he had the desire to do things today do not earn him a 6 for today's performance IMO ... In fact I wouldn't even rate him 'cause his presence was too short !!

You misunderstood me ... Ofcourse Pippo was not as bad as Oliveira was and he definetely would have done more with a better support from our midfielders but my opinion is that we should - as with Janku - rate the actual performances, not "what he would have done if ... "
Oh and that wasn't any great chance but still, I would expect more from Pippo !!

I was thinking of the latest resulsts:

Milan 3 - 0 AEK
Milan 2 - 0 Parma
Milan 1 - 0 Ascoli
Milan 0 - 0 Livorno

It's always one goal less.

Dst , i think there is something wrong ... I'm actually agreeing with you

now what ? it can't be -1 - 0 and we're not going to lose against Lille !!!


as you attorney I advice you to do that more often ...

late comments: well this is rather dissapointing, i didn't watch the match but from what i read we missed good chances and and played bad overall. don't know what the hell happened to the team but they need to get their sh!t together. hopefully we can recover from this and play better next week against seina...

Livorno did a very good job closing up our players. They had 3 players in the middle of midfield and the game was crowded there. That's why we needed more attacking full backs today than Bonera and Favalli in order to open up the game more.
Rino was playing in Pirlo position. Seedorf moved to the right in order to let Ambro to be in the left , but Ambro was moving to the center all the time and then Seedorf was coming back to his original place in the left side of the diamond. With all these changes it was impossible to play our usual game and move the ball great like we always do. The midfield harmony was damaged.
Kaka started the game to close to strikers but he quickly understood that in day like this a lot depend on him. He tried many thing but in second half there was always two players on him and even he can't win the game alone.
Oliveira was trying to do too much instead of playing it more simple. He had very good chance in the begining of the game.
Dida: 6
Bonera:4.5
Nesta: 5.5
Kaladze: 5.5
Favalli: 4.5
Gattuso: 5
Ambrosini: 4
Seedorf: 4
Kaka: 6
Oliveira: 4
Inzaghi: 5

O.k we played awful but after so many games in short period of time and all the changes I can understand a draw in away game at Livorno.We drew a game after 6 wins. Yes it's Livorno, so what? Many teams will lose points there. If we are bashing the team so much then we are spoiled.


Don't worry we all remember your predictions for the season.
And you saying that after a draw? I wonder what you gonna say after our first loss I don't recall you talking like this after the wins. Maybe it's time to bring your sig back.
You need to believe more in your team. It's like you want Inter to win the championship just in order to say you was right.
It's nothing personal but your attitude irritates me on this issue.

I come to think Carlo should have played Gourcuff from the begining. He's in better shape than Seedorf at the moment. Seedorf played awfuly tonight. Well, not worse than against PSV 2 years ago, which was his worst match for Milan so far, but yet I think he was on fire only in the pre-season. In all these 7 matches he hasn't showed his full capabilities, except that amazing goal against Parma. I come to think he's full of football. I know it sounds stupid, but come on. The guy has won everything, he has no motivation and plays a slow football. Maybe he should spend a good amount of matches on the bench to get that desire he's missing. He wears the #10 shirt, that means a lot for a Milan player. C'mon Clarence, wake up!

yeah man Im wearin one write now....gd game though by milan, they held out well, craps to the 7game win streak though will get one goin in between the season.

Maybe I will Dr. Gonzo , maybe I will ...

Eh?

I think it's Seedorf's time to rest Milan's number 10 on the bench. If not now then some time before Christmas it will happen !!

... Bring on Yoann!!!

highlights?

A really stale performance today.

Milan have definitely weakened from last season. They have lost their offensive presence. Today it looked like the Capello strategy of use two defensive central midfielders, play really defensive, and get one goal to win.

Ambrosini is the worst midfielder we have, he brings nothing. Watching him is like drinking flat soda.

Without Pirlo we had no distribution til the end.

Bonera and Favalli were weak down the flanks as an offensive option but were good defensively.

Kaka hasn't found his form yet.

What is the matter with you people??? I came here this morning and was reading all of this and I said to myself, "What the HELL?"

We play ONE bad game and suddenly everyone is saying F@ck you milan and we are not going to win anything this season???

It's a DRAW, not the end of the world, it wasn't even a loss for god's sake.

Yes we played a really sh!tty game, guess what every team has a bad day, and like dst said somewhere, it was the 5th game in 15 days, what did you expect? That we will keep the winning streak and never lose or draw??

And why is everyone complaining about Ambro and Rino playing together now? from what I remember when we where making our line-ups for this match everyone was agreeing that Pirlo should be rested and Ambro should step in.

The only points I want to make about this one are

1. If Favalli is going to play then we NEED Cafu on the right, simple as that.

2. Seedorf, imo, was terrible, misplaced passes and crosses all through the game, Carlo was right to yell at him, he should have even taken him off and put in Yoann. If he doesn't get his act together then I can see him losing his place to Gourcuff faster then we all thought

3. Pippo was missing a LOT of chances, what's the matter with him? if this was 2 weeks ago he would have at least scored 2 of his chances. I say we play Gila for the Lille match, because he will see this as his opporutinity to reclaim his place in the starting 11

4. Kaka is really taking on the role as the leader of the team, but why the hell hasn't he scored yet? Last night wasn't a good game by him at all, but at least he was trying, and I mean REALLY trying, too bad no one was trying to help him

5. Finally, about Oliveira. Ok he missed a great chance, he could have won the match for us, but fact is he is having a bit of problems regerding match fitness, and I don't really blame him, this is his 3rd game, I don't really expect wonders to come out of him just yet. He had a bad game yesterday, but all his performances where all very solid and encouraging. We should stop comparing him to S****, fact is, if we are going to compare the current S**** to Oliveira, then Oli would win hands down.

The last hing I want to say is, what is wrong with drawing with Livorno? Is it such a bad thing? in the 04/05 season we didn't manage a single win against them. Do you really think that we aren't going to lose ANY points this season?? Especially the small team, where we seem to struggle the most.

1. Definitely !
2. and definitely ! I think in the Lille game Seedorf MUST be left on the bench; after all it's what he deserves for this performance !! I'm angry at him ... he asked for #10 for what ? does he want to prove something or will he follow Rui Costa on the bench ... and to think that Rui was playing much better than Seedorf is now ...

Definately, especially with a Gourcuff pumped up, because of returning to his country.

I don't know what happened to Seedorf in this match, and the whole team for that matter because everyone seemed like they where playing at 10% to their abilities, but Seedorf was really disappointing in this match, in the others he was impressing me a lot, even when he came in as a sub, but he just went down hill in this match.

Maybe the players decided to take a rest now that we have recovered the minus points, but whatever it is they need to get their act together.

Oh just want to add

1. Amelia, should be one of our top priorities after a defender for the next tranfer market.

2. Gila should play in the next match, wether if it's in Pippo's place or Oli's I don't really care, but we really miss what he contributes to the team when he doesn't play. I think Pippo should be rested in the Lille match and Oli in the Siena hame, the latter seems to be having trouble adjusting to the physicality of serie A, a good rest should fix that

Good posts han !!!!

1. Actually that what's I singed in to mention for ... he looked pretty solid. I know he was rarely tested but he eliminated both Oliveira's chances !!
2. I think Gila should play now in Oliveira's place and then, against Siena, Ricardo must play ... IMO what he lacks is games on his feet not fitness or whatever !!

Thanks

The 2 big problems in this match where

1. The players where complaincent.

2. And the fact that Livorno where playing a 10-0-0 formation should not be taken for granted. We were forced to keep shooting from outside the area, because the Livorno box was always crowded by 9 players. We had a lot of shots, the problem was that few where on target.

You know, I came here this morning, and before I logged on I knew what was going to be said, especially by some (cough:: Portugal ::cough). But come on it was just a draw, we NEVER usually start the season this strongly, by now we would have already gathered a loos and a draw. So don't worry, there are over a 100 points to get, stumbles like this one are bound to happen, especially until the team steps into high gear

You know what they say, Great minds think alike

Yeah and both the Oli chances that he managed to eliminate where mostly because of good positioning (in the first chance, tooo bad favalli ruined the follow up) and good timing (he came out just perfectly to take the ball off of Oli's feet, if the timing was wrong by half a second that could have been a penalty for us)

And I don't really care particularily on how our forward line should be, but Gila always brings something extra to the table, wether it's an assist or a goal, he is definately needed, especially if the Pippo misses are signs that his form might be slipping

Fixed it

Indeed !!

relax ... you said it youself just above; it was only a bad game !!

Yes but I also said that about the game against Ascoli. Any way the CL match should be telling to see if it's form or he just had 2 bad games

hey guys give the players a rest will ya. they are humans not machines

Galliani satisfied despite draw

AC Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani was happy with his side's 0-0 draw against Livorno despite the loss of the club's 100% record.
The San Siro giants had started the season with three wins from three matches and turned their eight-point penalty at the start of the campaign into a positive number.

The club's players and officials had made it clear that they felt it was still possible to challenge for the Scudetto and a Champions League place, despite the numerical disadvantage for their part in the match-fixing scandal, and most in the game would have fancied them to take all three points from Livorno.
Despite the stalemate, Galliano was happy with the result, and felt his players may have suffered from tiredness during the 90 minutes.
"This was a draw on a difficult pitch," he said. "Livorno did well tactically, has great physical force and run a lot.

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Criticism is apart of the process. If they don't do well people should talk about.

They are a different squad with the new additions plus no Scheva which has affected our attack.

When they don't do well people get frustrated and write about it. Nobody would believe they are going to fall off, especially with starting the season 2-0-1.

The real problem was that the match was Ancelotti experimenting with the new formations. Ambrosini and Gattuso in the middle was very defensive move. Neither is overly dangerous in attack.

The outside defenders were playing back instead of going forward down the flanks. It all put alot of pressure on our forwards, Seedorf, and Kaka to do everything.

It wasn't a bad game just a very defensive/conservative one and the offense wasn't clicking.

Oh, yeah in fact you are judging based on two or three matches. Just that...and when you speak of inconsistent players I allways get a picture of Gilardino!!!

And for Christ, stop that comparation with Sheva! Just stop it! We all knew Sheva is better, and period. Why dont compare them with Van Basten, Weah, Simone, or every f@cking striker that we had!!

Gila is inconsistent too? Well that even makes it worst... If Oilveira is a flop, then we are screwd. I'm going to watch him more for sure. But I am worried too.

How can you already be making judgments about a player after only 3 games, and may I remind you that only ONE of the 3 was a bad game by Oli

Gila on the other hand does go through a bit of dry spells but when he gets on a role expect him to bang in 2 per game

Couldn't have said it myself better.

Well, let me just say that I had never seen a player lose every f@cking single ball that comes in his way in a 90 minute match. Plus, I never praised Oliveira much. I was happy that he scored on his debut, but I think that was pretty lucky of him. I don't think he will score more than 12 goals for us this season in all competitions. But I still wanna see more of him before I say this for sure!

the next 3 fixtures are very tough compare to our rivals

Siena
Sampdoria
Palermo

hopefully we can collect 9 points out of this fixture

Roma's fixtures

Empoli
Reggina
Chievo

Inter's fixtures

Cagliari
Catania
Udinese

Inter's is the easiest ... ours and Roma's are of the same difficulty I think

I want the BIG games !! enough with all this Livorno, Parma, Ascoli bullsh!t .. lets show these b!tchs who's boss around here !!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm really looking forward to it