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KillerMax
QUOTE (pacang @ Nov 1 2006, 04:19 AM)
it would be far better if they are interested in Fernando Torres instead of him..

i was hoping the headline would be "MILAN TO SIGN TORRES"

but i guess the dream's over rite?
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NOT YET!!!!!!! Milan have been watching Torres for years!! So anything could happen, but I would be also very content with Huntelaar! cool.gif
misha
I want to see them both in the future. Near future wink.gif
han2503
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Nov 2 2006, 02:08 AM)
NOT YET!!!!!!! Milan have been watching Torres for years!! So anything could happen, but I would be also very content with Huntelaar! cool.gif
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Well Torres is a seconda punta, Huntelaar is a box striker, it's not either/or I think it's both.

If we are going for Torres, I don't think we could compromise by going for Huntelaar since they are a different kind of player
dst
I don't want no Spaniards here !! cool.gif
arivanjj
you guys should really make a thread for this torres discussion, every time i see "MILAN SET TO STEP UP RONALDO CHASE" the pain comes back to me. sad.gif sleep.gif
dst
QUOTE (arivanjj @ Nov 2 2006, 12:08 PM)
you guys should really make a thread for this torres discussion, every time i see "MILAN SET TO STEP UP RONALDO CHASE" the pain comes back to me. sad.gif sleep.gif
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I thought pKillerMax would have already ...
KillerMax
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 2 2006, 03:35 AM)
I don't want no Spaniards here !!  cool.gif
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So... let me ask you this... Do you think Cesc would fail at Milan if we ever signed him? There is no way... I think it's the same with Torres... You see there is something really special about these two players that seprates them from Xavi, Villa and other such players... And I see that special thing!

QUOTE (dst @ Nov 2 2006, 04:16 AM)
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I thought pKillerMax would have already ...
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Good idea! Maybe next time we are linked with him. wink.gif
LaPalma
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 2 2006, 10:35 AM)
I don't want no Spaniards here !!  cool.gif
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Hmmm, you don't want no spaniards...so you do want spaniards?
Anyway, I want good players, I don't care where they come from. El Nino is one of those players and I'm sure he would be a much better striker for us than the so called Oligoal (that nick is a joke...)!
Oh and if we could get Klose, it wouldn't be bad either laugh.gif
dst
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Nov 2 2006, 10:33 PM)
So... let me ask you this... Do you think Cesc would fail at Milan if we ever signed him? There is no way... I think it's the same with Torres... You see there is something really special about these two players that seprates them from Xavi, Villa and other such players... And I see that special thing!
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You see what you wanna see cause you like those two ... I'm not saying they're bad but I just don't have trust in them. Ofcourse I could be terribly wrong and I hope that will be the case if we ever sign either of them !!

And they are not the same. Torres has been great yeah but for Atletico ... rolleyes.gif So was Gila in Parma ... It's just not convincing enough for me. On the other hand a 19 year old that is able to fill Vieira's gap superbly in his first year at Arsenal is something MUCH bigger !!
han2503
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Nov 2 2006, 08:33 PM)
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Good idea! Maybe next time we are linked with him. wink.gif
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Just read a quote from him (it was in a sky sports story) he said that if he would move from Atletico, the clubs he would go to are either Milan, Chelsea or Man Utd.

So there is some gopod news for you wink.gif

But I'm with dst on this one, I don't think he is worth the risk. La Palma mentioned Oliveira, but it's not the same thing, first of all Torres would cost a lot more then Oli, second, Oli is still adjusting, I don't think he has actually played 1 FULL game with us, thirdly, let's not forget what he's going through in his personal life right now, I think some bad performances from him can be forgiven by us, although I haven't seen him play bad with us not even once, he created a couple of chances for Gila and Kaka the other night, not to mention his link up play between Gila and Kaka is great, considering he's a new player and all. The only thing he needs to work on is his finishing, which I think is the cause of lack of concentration from him not because he's a bad finisher, because I've seen a couple of vids of him and he does finish of most his chances.
KillerMax
It's funny how you (han) and dst talk about Torres... It's not like he is not a proven striker... Because he is... He always plays as second striker and yet his scoring record is the same as Gila's in all club competitions... He scores and creates a lot of chances... For himslef and others... And my GOD... I just can't imagine what the partnership between him and Kaka will be like... ohmy.gif They are both incredibly fast and technical...
I along many others believe that Torres will make it wherever he will play... I remember there was a poll on Gazzetta last year and over 91% of people voted for Torres to be our next striker... So it's not just me... And Braida said they have been watching him eversince he was a teenager and they are still following him... And you all should know that Milan rarely makes a mistake when it come to scouting young talented players... I'm 100% sure that if we sign Torres and if we manage to keep him for 7 years, he will exceed Sheva in every department...
It's my only wish... Torres in Red and Black... wub.gif
dst
I did not say that the guy will fail. It's just normal that not all believe in what you said "He would succeed anywhere". I do not believe he'll fail I'm just not so convinced he'd make it ...

"manage to keep him 7 years" ... sh1t, it's become like a credit limit or something !! rolleyes.gif mad.gif
han2503
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Nov 3 2006, 08:33 AM)
It's funny how you (han) and dst talk about Torres... It's not like he is not a proven striker... Because he is... He always plays as second striker and yet his scoring record is the same as Gila's in all club competitions... He scores and creates a lot of chances... For himslef and others... And my GOD... I just can't imagine what the partnership between him and Kaka will be like... ohmy.gif They are both incredibly fast and technical...
I along many others believe that Torres will make it wherever he will play... I remember there was a poll on Gazzetta last year and over 91% of people voted for Torres to be our next striker... So it's not just me... And Braida said they have been watching him eversince he was a teenager and they are still following him... And you all should know that Milan rarely makes a mistake when it come to scouting young talented players... I'm 100% sure that if we sign Torres and if we manage to keep him for 7 years, he will exceed Sheva in every department...
It's my only wish... Torres in Red and Black... wub.gif
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Inever said he would fail! I only replied to La palma because he was comparing his situation with oli's, because they are totally different.

Still I don't think playing for Atletico qualifies as being proven, it's the same as the Gila case, he was practically a phenomenon at Parma, and single hadedly kept them in Serie A for 2 seasons in a row. I don't think that's such a small feet for such a young striker. Moving to one of the biggest clubs in the world for a big sum of money changes everything, all the pressure that he doesn't have at Atletico would not be easy to handle for him, and people expecting him to perform from the moment he stets foot on the field. Believe it or not it does effect his confidence and how he plays.

If he is able to handle all this plus all the changes to adapting to a leage that has much harder defensive teams to the ones in La Liga, then I think he will shine at Milan. Gila is just now starting to come into his own, after a so-so first seaon (goal wise). If he has as much class and quality to adapt on the big stage as you say then I think he will make it.

But the fact that Spaniards never made it in Serie A is glaringly obvious, but maybe he could be the exception to the rule. Who knows really?
KillerMax
Maldini knows... dst knows what I mean... biggrin.gif
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 3 2006, 09:51 AM)
But the fact that Spaniards never made it in Serie A is glaringly obvious, but maybe he could be the exception to the rule. Who knows really?
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You're talking about players like Javi Moreno, Jose Mari or Mendieta. But the fact is Torres is way above them. Ferrnando is a world class player, he could succeed in every league, in every countryn and in every team. It's like saying if Kakà goes to Real Madrid (just an example, don't have a heart attack tongue.gif ) he will not succeed. Well, that's out of disccusion, cause he's one of the best footballers in the world, and so is Torres. I'm pretty sure if we won't sign Ronaldinho next summer, Torres will be our main objective, and we'll probably get him.
dst
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Nov 3 2006, 11:02 AM)
Maldini knows... dst knows what I mean...  biggrin.gif
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dst
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 3 2006, 04:52 PM)
You're talking about players like Javi Moreno, Jose Mari or Mendieta. But the fact is Torres is way above them. Ferrnando is a world class player, he could succeed in every league, in every countryn and in every team. It's like saying if Kakà goes to Real Madrid (just an example, don't have a heart attack tongue.gif ) he will not succeed. Well, that's out of disccusion, cause he's one of the best footballers in the world, and so is Torres. I'm pretty sure if we won't sign Ronaldinho next summer, Torres will be our main objective, and we'll probably get him.
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Kaka' outshines every other player in the world while playing for Milan while Torres is a very good forward that plays for Atletico Madrid ... how on earth you can compare those two really breaks out of my understanding abilities ... rolleyes.gif
X-Offender
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 3 2006, 04:09 PM)
Kaka' outshines every other player in the world while playing for Milan while Torres is a very good forward that plays for Atletico Madrid ... how on earth you can compare those two really breaks out of my understanding abilities ...  rolleyes.gif
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Believe me, Torres is very close to Kakà, you just haven't realised it yet.
dst
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 3 2006, 05:12 PM)
Believe me, Torres is very close to Kakà, you just haven't realised it yet.
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OK !! rolleyes.gif

I do not mean to be disrespectful to your opinion but they're absolutely incomparable right now ... It's like what you said about Tomb Raider the other day .. you have to check what's happening outside of your own personal penchants/likings to say something like that !!

very close ?? Only as friends maybe ...
X-Offender
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 3 2006, 04:28 PM)
OK !!  rolleyes.gif

I do not mean to be disrespectful to your opinion but they're absolutely incomparable right now ... It's like what you said about Tomb Raider the other day .. you have to check what's happening outside of your own personal penchants/likings to say something like that !!

very close ?? Only as friends maybe ...
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1. Believe it or not pal, Torres is one of the best strikers at the moment. I'm not saying he's as good as Kakà, cause that would be just stupid. All I mean he's not some random player who might fail at Milan or somewhere else.

2. Tomb Raider is one of the most prefered and sold video games of the last decade. That's a fact, not just a personal penchant.
dst
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 3 2006, 05:35 PM)
1. Believe it or not pal, Torres is one of the best strikers at the moment. I'm not saying he's as good as Kakà, cause that would be just stupid. All I mean he's not some random player who might fail at Milan or somewhere else.

2. Tomb Raider is one of the most prefered and sold video games of the last decade. That's a fact, not just a personal penchant.
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1.As I said above I'm not saying he would fail at Milan I just can't be as sure about him succeeding as you and pKillerMax are ... that's all ... does this make sense ?? unsure.gif

2. If you wanna talk about sales then Lord Of The Rings is the best movie of all times !! rolleyes.gif
X-Offender
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 3 2006, 04:40 PM)
If you wanna talk about sales then Lord Of The Rings is the best movie of all times !!  rolleyes.gif
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Well, sales play a very important part of a product. Of course, not all things that have a great sale are meant to be awesome, but at least a video game that has began since 1995 with 7 editions and still keeps going shows it's something worth, no?
KillerMax
Ahhh... dst... that's not a fair arguement... Don't bring Xoffender's preference in video games into this... This is about Torres...
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 3 2006, 02:52 PM)
You're talking about players like Javi Moreno, Jose Mari or Mendieta. But the fact is Torres is way above them. Ferrnando is a world class player, he could succeed in every league, in every countryn and in every team. It's like saying if Kakà goes to Real Madrid (just an example, don't have a heart attack tongue.gif ) he will not succeed. Well, that's out of disccusion, cause he's one of the best footballers in the world, and so is Torres. I'm pretty sure if we won't sign Ronaldinho next summer, Torres will be our main objective, and we'll probably get him.
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QUOTE (dst @ Nov 3 2006, 03:09 PM)
Kaka' outshines every other player in the world while playing for Milan while Torres is a very good forward that plays for Atletico Madrid ... how on earth you can compare those two really breaks out of my understanding abilities ...  rolleyes.gif
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The fact that Kaka shines at MILAN, and Torres ahines at ATLETICO is a big difference in itself. dst answered it perfectly

We never said he is going to fail, but the chances are there that he would
dst
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 3 2006, 05:50 PM)
Well, sales play a very important part of a product. Of course, not all things that have a great sale are meant to be awesome, but at least a video game that has began since 1995 with 7 editions and still keeps going shows it's something worth, no?
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Ofcourse it does ... I think I said that Tomb Raider sucks right ?? Well I drew the long bow there !! biggrin.gif blush.gif It's a fair game, actually it was revolutionary when it first came out I just don't think the series as a whole is anything so special to be "recognised" cause it doesn't really offer anything new apart from the storyline IMO ... In any case what I was trying to say from the beginning is on the same level that I can't say "Torres will be a flop" you can't say " that "he'll be an apocalypse" ... smile.gif

QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Nov 3 2006, 06:28 PM)
Ahhh... dst... that's not a fair arguement... Don't bring Xoffender's preference in video games into this... This is about Torres...
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Well just use (a whole f@cking lot of) imagination and replace 'Tomb Raider' with 'Torres' and you're there ... Nah, not really on second thought you're right !! tongue.gif
X-Offender
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 3 2006, 08:01 PM)
Ofcourse it does ... I think I said that Tomb Raider sucks right ?? Well I drew the long bow there !!  biggrin.gif blush.gif It's a fair game, actually it was revolutionary when it first came out I just don't think the series as a whole is anything so special to be "recognised" cause it doesn't really offer anything new apart from the storyline IMO ... In any case what I was trying to say from the beginning is on the same level that I can't say "Torres will be a flop" you can't say " that "he'll be an apocalypse" ...  smile.gif
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1. Well, you're probably right about TR not being something special anymore. Nothing will replace the first 2-3 series which are the best IMO. Nodays there are a lot of other games far more interesting like Hitman, Splinter Cell etc... But that still doesn't blench the passion I have for this video game. Have you played Tomb Raider: Legend? I think that's a step backwards to the old series, which is good.

2. You know, I was a fair fan of Torres before the WC. But after his performances there I realised he's a world class player. I'm pretty sure if he comes here he'll become a far more greater footballer than he actually is and with him, Gila and Kakà our attack will be unstoppable. But let's just leave things to time and see if we'll manage to get him and then see who was right, shall we? wink.gif
dst
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 4 2006, 12:46 AM)
1.Have you played Tomb Raider: Legend? I think that's a step backwards to the old series, which is good.

2.But let's just leave things to time and see if we'll manage to get him and then see who was right, shall we? wink.gif
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1.No, not yet but how can a step backwards be good ?? Anyway ... I'll try it out and tell you.

2.That's what we should do. I don't care being right biggrin.gif actually if we indeed sign him I was I will be proven absolutely wrong !!
X-Offender
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 4 2006, 12:47 PM)
1.No, not yet but how can a step backwards be good ?? Anyway ... I'll try it out and tell you.
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Haha, maybe I was a bit messy there. I meant it has a lot in common with the old series.
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