QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 31 2015, 07:17 PM)
You can't compare a big club with a team like Toro, everything is different, the way the team approaches games, the tactics, the system, etc.
Why does a player like Cerci excel at Toro but fails miserably at every top club he's gone to? Why do strikers like Gila, Matri, Di Vaio, Pazzini, Tavano, etc excel at their mid level clubs where service and opportunities are at a premium but are generally lacklustre at bigger clubs with better players behind them where they are given more to play off of?
Toro play a certain way, they are generally a counterattacking side. Meaning when they do attack they have more space to work in. At Milan we're trying to play a possession based system when we don't have the players for it. It's why Bertolacci for example looks seriously terrible, because he's not a good passer or a visionary on the ball. He's great at vertical runs into space and being the extra man in the box, but when it comes to possession football he's more of a liability for us.
Sure you're right, it has to do with mentality as well. But for me the major problem is that Silvio wants the team to play in a certain way when we don't have the players for it. His little mind that's stuck in the 80s still thinks that playing attractive football has all to do with the attack. But that's imo the least important factor in it. This is the guy who admires Pep and his past Barca side. How can you watch that team play and still think that midfield is not the most crucial department for any top side is beyond me.
And btw, we can thank Allegri for this idea of by-passing the midfield to score, because this has been going on since his first season with us, only back then we could punt the ball in the general direction of Ibra and he'd do the rest
I think those two are interconnected, more then you know. Because not all players are Gilardinos and Chiesas. You had also players like Batistuta, like Simone, like Bierhoff who knew how to transform and adapt to a bigger and more demanding environment. But if this environment is constantly polluted by an inefficient and plan less management, beginner or poor coaches with small ideas, with mentally problematic players - well then it certainly gives you a knock or two down.
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 31 2015, 07:44 PM)
Juventus are a top club. Who gives a sh*t what offers come from England or Spain! Unlike Tevez, Pogba is a project for them, the kind of talent you build your team around. And it's not like they're in desperate need for money. If offers of +100M come though, who wouldn't accept? You could sign 3-4 top players and rebuild your team from scratch, like they did after they sold Zidane.
It's a win-win situation for them. Hence, why they kept him instead of Vidal.
I'm not sure you understand this correctly. You keep giving examples from the past, which is sadly brutally different then the Serie A present.
Firstly, Juventus has a habit of selling their best players for the right prize. They did this countless times in the past, Baggio, Zidane and Inzaghi are names that come to mind quickly. But this was a different time. When they sold Zidane, they already had self-sustainable team - and they invested into 3-4 top players.
Nowadays you cannot just raid Parma or Lazio like Juventus did in the past and snatch up world class players like Buffon, Thuram, Cannavaro, Nedved, etc. Because pretty much none of the Serie A players is world class.
Secondly, I think you underestimate the shining attractiveness of Spain and England. Nowadays everyone wants to prove himself there. It's a set of different components that make these destinations more desirable: competitiveness at the biggest level, big derbies and big opponents (not just clubs, but players as well), media focus, etc. All these components go in favor of England and Spain right now.
That being said, I don't see much options for Juventus this way or the other. Pogba will soon outgrow them, if not by merit then by pure media overrating. He'll end up in England or more probably Spain one way or the other. The same will happen to any player who makes more then just good in Italy nowadays.
The only concern is though that these mega offers might not come, if Pogba has a less than stellar season or two. They had their chance this year, but decided to keep him. And like with Shaarawy, these young players are hyped up quickly and can see their market value falter after an ordinary season.
People don't worry about their statistics, goals, assists and things like that. Same goes for Verratti, and while I rate both these as better than what El Shaarawy brought to the table, Pogba is going to find it tough this season.
Thoroughly overrated is the best possible description for him now, and I'm curious when (or if) he makes the jump to the next level and start dominating matches as some expect him to. Maybe this season? Or maybe in another club, with a more solid environment in terms of talent and teammates.
No one is worth 100m, and even if the few that are, are the types that have a more direct bearing on match results, instead of the usually passive work Pogba puts in as a midfielder. He is a very good player, though, but the fact that some rate him much higher than what he has delivered so far, on potential that is to say, means that he is overrated.
And to think that Hernanes is someone that can play anywhere in the midfield, has tons of league experience, and is someone that could helped us with our lack of creativity in attack. Him Lamela and Witsel should have been the three signings to alleviate a lot of our concerns.
One after the other, oh man!
Best one in the forum right now, love it more than the anti Allegri one you had going around a few years back.
Besides, I read Arabic much better than I speak it, so if it is possible for you, then write the proverb here, and I'll see if something is lost in translation or not.
Got it nice and fine. Thanks for the share!
Lots and lots of it. In fact, I'm good with a number of languages, in varying quality (some in reading comprehension, others I can converse in, and a couple that I just barely find my way through). Arabic and Farsi (Persion) I'm pretty decent in, partly because both make up the majority of Urdu.
