He failed at Roma, failed at Fiorentina. Torino is the perfect environment for him. He's simply not big club material.

If he excels in a team of mediocre players, he's perfect for us.

If we want to make this team great again, it certainly won't happen by signing players like Cerci.

Says the guy who overrates every mediocre player (note: Cerci, Candreva, Matri, etc) and underrates every good player Milan has

Sometimes I think Kurt just does it for us to overreact.

Most likely.

I mean Cerci? Really?

Maybe you should watch him rather than just using the old "Oh he plays for Torino, he must suck" logic. He's one of the most in form players in Serie A over the past year or so. Certainly performed leagues ahead of anyone in red and black.

But yes, clearly I do it just to troll, way to respect others opinions.

I simply do not care what he does for Torino, because I know for a fact that he'd fail at Milan. He simply looks good for a bad team, he's had other opportunities at bigger clubs in the past and failed miserably not to mention the eyesore he is for the NT which he has no business being in.

And you are trolling because you never fail to add your little punch line about how mediocre we are and how great other mediocre players from other mediocre teams are.

"I simply do no care what he does for Torino" Nice. Again, nice to see a mod can't respect anothers opinion.

tbh i tend to agree with Han here. We should make a vote.

P.S also why can people sign up to the forums so we can have fresh debates other the seeing the same conversations over and over. For those that do not know you cannot sign up to these forums as they are closed to new accounts.

Difference being I'm not calling you guys trolls for your opinion.

True but everybody needs a scape goat.

How is the mod thing exactly connected to your argument?

What does me being a mod and me saying that have to do with not respecting your opinion?

I said what I felt, I just do not care what he does for Torino as that would never translate with Milan, and it's not like he's leading Torino to some top spot challenge for crying out loud

You talk and talk about us being average but you want us to add other teams' average players into the mix.

Oh Barbs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R67Q6cd8k78

Why is that? I for one welcome new blood.

Don't know, that's something that goes beyond what mods can do, only mike can fix that, but I think the reason why new registrations are not allowed atm is because we had a huge issue with bots at one point spamming up the place, so mike suspended new users from registering

Says the guy who would rather see Milan continue to lose just to get rid of a coach

I want to get rid of the coach because only that way would results improve. Losing those couple of games now would mean winning a lot more in the future.

I'd rather see Milan lose heavily to Barca in one game resulting in Allegri getting fired then to stay in this soulless pit of depression that has come to exemplify our team and the football that team plays. Allegri is poison for us right now.

I don't agree with your statement entirely.

I believe changing the coach for a guaranteed better one is the only way for the team to improve keeping the composition the same. Now that second part is not so easy as you think.

A lot of us wanted Carlo out rather vehemently and was sure we could only go up from there. We've ended up from the frying pan into the fire.

At the moment none of the names I can think of are truly available or would even consider Milan and working withi it's restrictions. Their reputation would be at stake.

I felt Benitez would be a good coach at Milan, and so far his Napoli is proving me right. He even seemed to have made that ridiculous Higuain fee work, while Hamsik has just gone up leaps and bounds from that slump he seemed to be in.

But now who is there? I held out for Klopp. But he has extended. Among the lesser light coaches the only two who I would want here at the moment is Roberto Martinez or Michael Laudrup (both of whom were not there in the coaching replacement list )

Can you message him and maybe he can find a fix

I can't agree with this who ever comes in after Allegri is still going to have the same squad just extra morale boost and new tactics but same old same old its the people above that need to pay also.

and as i said before which no one seems to reply to even if Allegri loses to Barca heavily or lightly in the end loses he won't be fired the management know to get anything from the Barca match is something right now is not attainable the best we could try to get is a draw but , as i said we concede far to easily so that won't happen i don't know the stats but if someone could bring those up i would like to see how many goals we have conceded so far on average this season is it two ?
I also do not think Allegri will not get fired if we draw or lose to the flying donkeys they are in a very bad postion rooted to that bottom of the table , struggling with any sort of form as of course are we and so they will definatley have a morale boost when we play them because they know we leak goals out of our ***'es so anything goes against them they could just as easily win this next game. I don't think he will get fired because our expectations are so low we have hit the bottom and the catapin ( Berlusconi) is asleep at the wheel and the one driving ( Galliani ) the ship is not fit to ride a bike.

Do not get me wrong i want Allegri to go but i also want others that also deserve blame to go to the management entirely put us in this position.

Capello he would get us Resulta. i know hes pre occupied with Russia but surely we can get him until the end of the season maybe.

Naah. After Brazil, maybe - but now - no way. Would be a precedent.

I haven't read the posts yet because I don't have time, but I skimmed over them, Ryan, you used key words there, Tactics and Motivation, we have neither, a new coach will bring that. Right now, we play like a team who does not know each other, like a bunch of individuals just running around like headless chickens.

Obviously the right coach needs to be chosen, we can't bring in another Allegri and expect things to change, but someone who is smart and knows how to implement a tactical system that works for this group of players we have is what's important. Allegri simply does not know how to do that, never has and never will, no matter how much Galliani persists with him, things will only get worse

Yes exactly. But maybe I'm misreading your tone, but you seem to suggest we can fire Allegri tomorrow morning and get the 'right coach' tomorrow evening.

As a mod you have a responsibility to lead an example for the forum. Calling someone a troll because you disagree with their opinion is something I don't find acceptable.

Me and dru have said similar to each other before and you've told us that if we can't agree on something we should at least try and respect each others opinion.

Clearly I'm wrong and we're able to call other members stuff and not respect their opinions.

Not the right coach, but a temporary replacement till the end of the season. Inzaghi, Mangia, Costacurta, Gattuso, you name it.

And you're sure they would work? These people? Gattuso who failed in Serie B will somehow get us into European places?

I understand your distress with Allegri, I share it too. But I'm not in favour of the anyone but him argument. We've burnt ourselves enough with that.

What's important is that we get rid of Allegri. This season is lost either way. Even if we got Mourinho we wouldn't be able to make the CL.

And who's going to take the job for just the rest of this season exactly? Coaches will want to be guaranteed they have more than just half a season they can't do anything with. Unless we have serious money to spend, we're going nowhere without a Mourinho or similar.

Please quote me and show me where I've called you a troll. I'm serious here, because I don't remember ever calling you a troll and if so I'm ready to apologise for it immediately, but I don't recall ever doing so, certainly not in this thread where I said "I don't care about what he does with Torino" has suddenly turned into me disrespecting your opinion and calling you a troll.

And there is a very specific difference between you and dru calling each other retards and using the word "troll" as well


An interim coach would be a good solution, obviously the new coach would have an added incentive that if he does well he'll get his deal extended onto the next season, and when I'm saying "does well" I'm not even talking about CL. I'm talking about seeing an improvement in the players' mentality when approaching a game, seeing an actual playing style being implemented on the pitch, seeing an actual tactical system that we use while attacking AND defending. These are all basic things that one would expect from a professional footballing side, no matter the quality of players they have, and these are all things which are currently missing

This.

CL is definitely out of our reach right now anyway with the way Roma, Juventus and Napoli are doing unless Roma are really a fluke in which case we still won't make it to third ahead of Inter for Fiorentina I believe.

The thing is, Allegri will not be with Milan next season. The players know that which is the most important thing. So isn't it better than he goes now?

$$$, my friend. $$$.

Agreed. Also, we were in this same situation last season as Inter were initially doing well, same with Fiorentina. Inter took a nose dive around Christmas and never recovered while Fiorentina have always been terribly inconsistent and we're seeing that this season as well.

Like you said, it depends on how Roma turn out over the course of the season

But the thing is, I can't see us picking up the kind of points we did last season. Even if most of those points were scraped while still playing terribly, this season the players just seem completely depleted, like they do not care either way

Already said this above.

Juve tonight showing how big the gap truly is between them and the rest of the league

Napoli have a great attack but the rest is subpar

Pogba with the goal of the season. Phenomenal!

So true , but what does it say about the league when they are last in there champions league group this is when they are pitted against the best in europe just a few of the teams..

Also great goal by Pirlo why the hell did we sell this guy to our main rivals...

Oh no, we didn't sell him, we wrapped him up in shiny paper and gave him over to them for free. Another brilliant peace of business for the guru.

And yeah, that's what I was talking to kurt about in the CL thread. The hoopla after Juve scraped a 2-2 draw against Juve would have made you think that they'd won the group with 2 games to spare and wiped the floor with Real. The fact that the standards are so low and achieving a draw against Real is such a huge accomplishment for the Italian champions shows you how far the standards have fallen

I think any team drawing 2-2 against Real would consider it a good result.

How great is this guy going to be? He can already do everything.

Yeah, he's awesome. To think we were interested in him before we decided to go with Traoré.

Not when it's a team like Juve who are champions of Italy. You think Chelsea, Man U, Barca, Bayern, Dortmund would think that a draw at home against them is a success?

We got less hype after drawing against Barca and we're in the situation that we're in.


Yep, and to think he was at Man U and they let him go for basically nothing and then they proceed to spend a considerable amount of money for Fellaini

Precisely

Not true. We were interested in him, it's just that they were not willing to let Pogba go for free!

Pirlo's FK goal was brilliant too. I thought he'd forgotten how to kick the ball like that. I think in his last 2-3 seasons with us he rarely managed to score one like that...

Indeed. He scored that screamer against Parma, but no free-kicks. In fact, rarely did he score from free-kicks overall with us. Last couple of years with Juve it's a different story. He scored at the Euro with Italy as well.