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Fillipo Simone
So, a must win. Hopefully a farewell to Allegri.
Rossoneri7
3 points and call it one bell of a season!!
kurtsimonw
Siena 3-2 Milan. We miss out on CL football. Allegri keeps his job. Mass suicide on MF.
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 17 2013, 07:38 PM) *
Siena 3-2 Milan. We miss out on CL football. Allegri keeps his job. Mass suicide on MF.


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Our future depends on this one game. If we don't win, then we'll turn into a mid-table team for the next 3 years.
kurtsimonw
Should be an easy win, but we've only picked up 5 more points away than they have at home and they're pretty terrible. dry.gif
drucurl
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 17 2013, 01:45 PM) *
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Our future depends on this one game. If we don't win, then we'll turn into a mid-table team for the next 3 years.

Actually in terms of development, playing in the EUROPA CUP isn't the end of the world for a team in its developmental stages. We get European experience, we beat a couple cr@p teams to get confidence up. If we win it GREAT we haven't won the UEFE Cup anyway. If we lose it, not the end of the world. The only downside is less revenues generated.
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 17 2013, 05:38 PM) *
Siena 3-2 Milan. We miss out on CL football. Allegri keeps his job. Mass suicide on MF.

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Zed.D
QUOTE (drucurl @ May 17 2013, 10:42 PM) *
Actually in terms of development, playing in the EUROPA CUP isn't the end of the world for a team in its developmental stages. We get European experience, we beat a couple cr@p teams to get confidence up. If we win it GREAT we haven't won the UEFE Cup anyway. If we lose it, not the end of the world. The only downside is less revenues generated.


That's the problem. if we were a wealthy club it wouldn't be that bad, but we need the CL money.
Jack Bauer
Boateng won't play due to a knee problem dry.gif

Abbiati, Amelia, Gabriel, Abate, Antonini, Bonera, De Sciglio, Mexes, Salamon, Yepes, Zaccardo, Zapata, Ambrosini, Constant, Flamini, Montolivo, Nocerino, Traoré, Balotelli, El Shaarawy, Niang, Pazzini and Robinho.
William405
At least Montolivo's back.
X-Offender
Damn, now we'll have to do with Niang or Robinho. Personally, I'd play Pazzini with Balo out wide.
X-Offender
No Berlusconi today in Milanello. This can only mean that Allegri is on his way out.
Jack Bauer
Allegri:

"Pazzini could play from the start tomorrow against Siena with Balotelli in a position right behind him."

"Montolivo will play from the start vs. Siena. The two other midfielders will be two of either Flamini, Nocerino and Ambrosini."
X-Offender
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ May 18 2013, 05:22 PM) *
Allegri:

"Pazzini could play from the start tomorrow against Siena with Balotelli in a position right behind him."

"Montolivo will play from the start vs. Siena. The two other midfielders will be two of either Flamini, Nocerino and Ambrosini."


Good shi*t.
Fillipo Simone
Let's win this and send him to Rome.
acid911
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 19 2013, 04:54 AM) *
Let's win this and send him to Rome.

Yes, and then let's watch it burn. smile.gif Allegri, the new Nero, playing the flute as Rome burns before him.

han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 18 2013, 11:54 PM) *
Let's win this and send him to Rome.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I still have this iffy feeling that his future with us depends on CL football, but we'll see. Hopefully that's not the case or I'll probably be pushed over the edge next season watching us play his sorry excuse brand of football and jam something in my eye
kurtsimonw
Or maybe in the summer we could sign players so we have more than just 1 player who can actually play football.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 19 2013, 12:42 PM) *
Or maybe in the summer we could sign players so we have more than just 1 player who can actually play football.

Yeah, indeed. We need someone who realizes this before season start.
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 19 2013, 10:42 AM) *
Or maybe in the summer we could sign players so we have more than just 1 player who can actually play football.

Sorry man, but isn't it Allegri who alienated all the players who can actually "play football"?

Allegri went stale at Milan during last season. He's not good for this team, and I seriously don't understand how you cannot grasp this. Persisting with him will only further hurt us in the future. We need a breath of fresh air, someone who can coach this team as a club of Milan's calibre deserves. I don't care that we don't have the money and don't have top class players. I expect better when I watch this team play. Allegri has reduced us to the lowest of lows, he needs to go.

Yes, our midfield is atrocious atm, but Allegri is the one who insists on playing Boateng in a 3 man attack instead of midfield, he's the one insisting on a 3 man attack when he has no wingers but basically 4 pure strikers. It just boggles the mind, and you wonder why we struggle to even play any form of coherent football...
Lawbaba
Any news of the possible line up for this clash?
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QUOTE (Lawbaba @ May 19 2013, 03:10 PM) *
Any news of the possible line up for this clash?


Abbiati; Abate, Zapata, Mexes, De Sciglio; Flamini, Montolivo, Ambrosini; Robinho, Balotelli, Niang.

Source: Sportmediaset
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 19 2013, 03:36 PM) *
Abbiati; Abate, Zapata, Mexes, De Sciglio; Flamini, Montolivo, Ambrosini; Robinho, Balotelli, Niang.

Source: Sportmediaset

Lol, Niang??

The guy who manages to trip over his own feet?? SES on one leg is still better than this guy
milanbuf88
QUOTE (han2503 @ May 19 2013, 07:05 AM) *
Sorry man, but isn't it Allegri who alienated all the players who can actually "play football"?

Allegri went stale at Milan during last season. He's not good for this team, and I seriously don't understand how you cannot grasp this. Persisting with him will only further hurt us in the future. We need a breath of fresh air, someone who can coach this team as a club of Milan's calibre deserves. I don't care that we don't have the money and don't have top class players. I expect better when I watch this team play. Allegri has reduced us to the lowest of lows, he needs to go.

Yes, our midfield is atrocious atm, but Allegri is the one who insists on playing Boateng in a 3 man attack instead of midfield, he's the one insisting on a 3 man attack when he has no wingers but basically 4 pure strikers. It just boggles the mind, and you wonder why we struggle to even play any form of coherent football...


Who did Allegri alienate that was any good? There are very good reasons for all of those departures. Since when does any coach at Milan have control over contracts? I don't even really like the guy but the amount of criticism Allegri gets for things outside of his control is absolutely criminal.
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QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ May 19 2013, 06:37 PM) *
Who did Allegri alienate that was any good? There are very good reasons for all of those departures. Since when does any coach at Milan have control over contracts? I don't even really like the guy but the amount of criticism Allegri gets for things outside of his control is absolutely criminal.


Ronaldinho, Pirlo, Aquilani.

Ronaldinho I couldn't stand, so I'm glad we got rid of him. However, when you consider the rest, then you realize why Allegri alienated him. He preferred a pure DM like van Bommel over Pirlo, because his system required at least two DMs, one in front of the defense and one in central midfield. If Allegri wanted Pirlo badly, then he would have insisted that Galliani had offered him a 3-year contract. Same for Aquilani. If Allegri wanted him, we would have payed those measly €6 million for him. On the other hand, he's always been keen on muscle players. Van Bommel, Gattuso, Flamini, Ambrosini, Nocerino, Boateng, Traoré, Muntari. They've always been his preferred type of players.
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ May 19 2013, 06:04 PM) *
Lol, Niang??

The guy who manages to trip over his own feet?? SES on one leg is still better than this guy


No idea why he's playing Niang over El Shaa. IMO we should go with Balo, SES and Pazzini.
milanbuf88
QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 19 2013, 01:35 PM) *
Ronaldinho, Pirlo, Aquilani.

Ronaldinho I couldn't stand, so I'm glad we got rid of him. However, when you consider the rest, then you realize why Allegri alienated him. He preferred a pure DM like van Bommel over Pirlo, because his system required at least two DMs, one in front of the defense and one in central midfield. If Allegri wanted Pirlo badly, then he would have insisted that Galliani had offered him a 3-year contract. Same for Aquilani. If Allegri wanted him, we would have payed those measly €6 million for him. On the other hand, he's always been keen on muscle players. Van Bommel, Gattuso, Flamini, Ambrosini, Nocerino, Boateng, Traoré, Muntari. They've always been his preferred type of players.


Ronaldinho was lazy, out of shape, and not good enough to justify basing a team around. Especially when we had the better option of playing to Zlatan's strength. I don't doubt that Allegri could have tried much harder to get Pirlo to stick around but as we all saw from Pirlo's autobiography he is an asshole and wanted out. Aquilani was 100% Galliani in my opinion. There is no way we would have limited his appearances to under 25 if Gallini wasn't such a cheap *******. I believe he made an agreement with Montolivo in January and decided that early that we wouldn't buy Aquilani. It is clear that Allegri likes his midfielders to be hard working and capable defensively. I remain unconvinced that he prefers Traore types. That's all he has been given by Galliani. I think if we saw another player like Montolivo he'd get most starts. Montolivo is the hard working capable creator type that I think he likes. Van Bommel was pretty much in that mode when he was here. He desperately gets Muntari of all people to play that same role when he's in.
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QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ May 19 2013, 07:47 PM) *
Ronaldinho was lazy, out of shape, and not good enough to justify basing a team around. Especially when we had the better option of playing to Zlatan's strength. I don't doubt that Allegri could have tried much harder to get Pirlo to stick around but as we all saw from Pirlo's autobiography he is an asshole and wanted out. Aquilani was 100% Galliani in my opinion. There is no way we would have limited his appearances to under 25 if Gallini wasn't such a cheap *******. I believe he made an agreement with Montolivo in January and decided that early that we wouldn't buy Aquilani. It is clear that Allegri likes his midfielders to be hard working and capable defensively. I remain unconvinced that he prefers Traore types. That's all he has been given by Galliani. I think if we saw another player like Montolivo he'd get most starts. Montolivo is the hard working capable creator type that I think he likes. Van Bommel was pretty much in that mode when he was here. He desperately gets Muntari of all people to play that same role when he's in.


Ronaldinho's alienation makes sense when you consider the rest. You say he was lazy, but what about Muntari? He's the epitome of lazy. And yeah, Pirlo turned out to be an asshole and all, but like I said, if Allegri wanted him or Aquilani to stay then he would have made his intentions clear to Galliani and we would have kept them. But Allegri didn't even bother, because he doesn't like those type of players. And that's the main problem here.
han2503
^^^

You're desperately trying to justify each case when in reality the only creative midfield player Allegri was ever able to integrate in his team is Monto. And that's mostly because as much as he's a creative force, Monto isn't afraid to get physical so when he's playing on the sides he tends to operate in a box-to-box role.

X-off explained them all.

Ronaldinho could have been integrated into the system, no one said he should have based it around him, but Allegri preferred to play Prince behind the front 2 so he could have an extra runner in the midfield when at times he played an atrocious trio of Rino, Flamini and Ambro in the midfield 3. It's blasphemy is what it is!

Pirlo he didn't want to integrate into his system. Yes we've discovered he's an @sshole at heart but what he wanted at Milan was a 3 year contract and t play in his position. Allegri didn't know how to integrate him into his XI so his answer was to lump him on the left side and be done with it. And @sshole he may be, when you have a player of Pirlo's calibre you don't play him out of position, but we all know that is the hallmark of Allegri's "tactics"

As for Aquilani. Look at him this season for Fiorentina and you have your answer, Allegri never wanted to give him a chance, he played him at the start of the season because he had no other option, once Muntari was brought in he was continuously left out for that lazy idiot.

Once again, Allegri going back to his comfort zone of playing industrious muscle players instead of choosing someone who may not run his @ss off but brings in quality to the team
Zed.D
QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ May 19 2013, 10:17 PM) *
Ronaldinho was lazy, out of shape, and not good enough to justify basing a team around. Especially when we had the better option of playing to Zlatan's strength. I don't doubt that Allegri could have tried much harder to get Pirlo to stick around but as we all saw from Pirlo's autobiography he is an asshole and wanted out. Aquilani was 100% Galliani in my opinion. There is no way we would have limited his appearances to under 25 if Gallini wasn't such a cheap *******. I believe he made an agreement with Montolivo in January and decided that early that we wouldn't buy Aquilani. It is clear that Allegri likes his midfielders to be hard working and capable defensively. I remain unconvinced that he prefers Traore types. That's all he has been given by Galliani. I think if we saw another player like Montolivo he'd get most starts. Montolivo is the hard working capable creator type that I think he likes. Van Bommel was pretty much in that mode when he was here. He desperately gets Muntari of all people to play that same role when he's in.


Exactly my thoughts.
milanbuf88
QUOTE (han2503 @ May 19 2013, 02:03 PM) *
^^^

You're desperately trying to justify each case when in reality the only creative midfield player Allegri was ever able to integrate in his team is Monto. And that's mostly because as much as he's a creative force, Monto isn't afraid to get physical so when he's playing on the sides he tends to operate in a box-to-box role.


That is quite simply not at all true. Aquilani, Seedorf, and Cassano all did fairly well when healthy. Van Bommel wasn't a one dimensional bruiser either.

QUOTE (han2503 @ May 19 2013, 02:03 PM) *
X-off explained them all.

Ronaldinho could have been integrated into the system, no one said he should have based it around him, but Allegri preferred to play Prince behind the front 2 so he could have an extra runner in the midfield when at times he played an atrocious trio of Rino, Flamini and Ambro in the midfield 3. It's blasphemy is what it is!


I disagree. Ronaldinho was a massive defensive liability and his style didn't mesh with Zlatan's. One or more of Aquilani, Seedorf, and Van Bommel played most of the important games.

QUOTE (han2503 @ May 19 2013, 02:03 PM) *
Pirlo he didn't want to integrate into his system. Yes we've discovered he's an @sshole at heart but what he wanted at Milan was a 3 year contract and t play in his position. Allegri didn't know how to integrate him into his XI so his answer was to lump him on the left side and be done with it. And @sshole he may be, when you have a player of Pirlo's calibre you don't play him out of position, but we all know that is the hallmark of Allegri's "tactics"


That's not true by Pirlo's own words. He was bored here and he wanted out. If Pirlo were a professional he could have put effort toward adapting. It's not like he became completely useless when being pushed to the left.

QUOTE (han2503 @ May 19 2013, 02:03 PM) *
As for Aquilani. Look at him this season for Fiorentina and you have your answer, Allegri never wanted to give him a chance, he played him at the start of the season because he had no other option, once Muntari was brought in he was continuously left out for that lazy idiot.

Once again, Allegri going back to his comfort zone of playing industrious muscle players instead of choosing someone who may not run his @ss off but brings in quality to the team


Aquilani got 23 league appearances for us that year. Do you think that is a coincidence when our loan agreement required us to buy him if he hit 25? You vastly underrate the amount of power Galliani has over the squad. He and Berlusconi have always been meddlers. Allegri hasn't been give enough decent options
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ May 19 2013, 08:47 PM) *
Ronaldinho was lazy, out of shape, and not good enough to justify basing a team around. Especially when we had the better option of playing to Zlatan's strength. I don't doubt that Allegri could have tried much harder to get Pirlo to stick around but as we all saw from Pirlo's autobiography he is an asshole and wanted out. Aquilani was 100% Galliani in my opinion. There is no way we would have limited his appearances to under 25 if Gallini wasn't such a cheap *******. I believe he made an agreement with Montolivo in January and decided that early that we wouldn't buy Aquilani. It is clear that Allegri likes his midfielders to be hard working and capable defensively. I remain unconvinced that he prefers Traore types. That's all he has been given by Galliani. I think if we saw another player like Montolivo he'd get most starts. Montolivo is the hard working capable creator type that I think he likes. Van Bommel was pretty much in that mode when he was here. He desperately gets Muntari of all people to play that same role when he's in.


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han2503
Yeah ok, Allegri is the Messiah.

Thank God this will be the last of these dabates. So over it rolleyes.gif
X-Offender
I still think Allegri doesn't get as much criticism as he deserves.
William405
QUOTE (han2503 @ May 19 2013, 09:19 PM) *
Yeah ok, Allegri is the Messiah.

Thank God this will be the last of these dabates. So over it rolleyes.gif


He's fired?!
han2503
Niang starting over SES!!

Such sheer genius rolleyes.gif
han2503
QUOTE (William405 @ May 19 2013, 07:37 PM) *
He's fired?!

Pretty sure he will be after today
William405
QUOTE (han2503 @ May 19 2013, 09:38 PM) *
Pretty sure he will be after today


Hopefully man, hopefully! I got nothing personal with him but I can't stand his Milan no more.
William405
anyone got a stream a link?
X-Offender
The most important game of the season for us is about to begin. Dai ragazzi, dai ragazzi, dai ragazzi!
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (han2503 @ May 19 2013, 07:03 PM) *
Ronaldinho could have been integrated into the system

No, he couldn't. You can't just pick anyone and have them fit a system. Ronaldinho was absolutely terrible. It is very telling that when he left Milan the only EPL team interested in him was Blackburn Rovers. It also says a lot that he's still in Brazil, why not at a decent European team? Or are all coaches just against using creative players? It's all some mad Ronaldinho hating conspiracy!
William405
Champions League COME ON!
han2503
Balo in the mood
William405
Inter's match seems crazy!
servbot
any streams?

I got one from myp2p.eu-net
milanbuf88
I can't believe Niang just missed that...
CrazyMilanFan
Niang u f***
kurtsimonw
It's like Balotelli doesn't want us to win.
han2503
Most terrible player in Milan's recent history to get so much time on the pitch
kurtsimonw
They'll score from a cross, Abate simply doesn't know what he's doing
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