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acid911
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 10 2013, 08:24 PM) *
He should be given a knighthood as well

Knighthood? dry.gif Allegri should move that tourist attraction of a Queen, and become rightful King of England!
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 10 2013, 03:24 PM) *
Yes, Ambrosini's pass was cut, but where was our defense? Completely out of position.

Where was the rest of the midfield as well?

The lack of simple fluency in that midfield is just baffling.

The defence has been problematic as well but it's expected when you have a huge hole right in font of you.

Ambro has been hitting balls to no one all game long, if you can't make a long pass then simply don't do it, it costs us possession each time.

The attack has been complete cr@p as well. SES is MIA, Balo has been decent but hasn't seen much of the ball to do anything, while Niang is the usual head down running with pointless crossing mixed in.

Muntari and Abate have been the only decent 2 so far.
William405
3dms wtf allegri!
KillerMax
This game is boooorrring. Most games under Allegri have been. For this reason alone Silvio will probably sack Allegri.
han2503
And we conceed rolleyes.gif
William405
is ibarbo that good or is our defence...
William405
omg great!!...
KillerMax
Goal Cagliari.
han2503
We deserved that simply on principle

Appaling line-up choice and even worse play on the pitch
KillerMax
Zapata has been f@cking awful so far. What is going on with him? Concentration = zero.
han2503
QUOTE (William405 @ Feb 10 2013, 03:47 PM) *
is ibarbo that good or is our defence...

Mexes seems still a bit out of it. If he's still not fit I don't understand not giving Zaccardo the chance to play. Why didn't we get him if we're not going to use him when he's needed?
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (William405 @ Feb 10 2013, 05:47 PM) *
is ibarbo that good or is our defence...

19 games, zero goals - his ratio this season.

Again, Zapata has been awful.
dst
Zapata is Ibarbo's lil biatch! Ibarbo's been playing with him all game...

han, seriously I don't understand what you see in Abate that you would not sell him for 10m. He's not a bad player but he's not worth that much and I'd instantly sell him if that offer was really made.
KillerMax
QUOTE (dst @ Feb 10 2013, 09:51 AM) *
han, seriously I don't understand what you see in Abate that you would not sell him for 10m. He's not a bad player but he's not worth that much and I'd instantly sell him if that offer was really made.


And replace him with?
han2503
QUOTE (dst @ Feb 10 2013, 03:51 PM) *
Zapata is Ibarbo's lil biatch! Ibarbo's been playing with him all game...

han, seriously I don't understand what you see in Abate that you would not sell him for 10m. He's not a bad player but he's not worth that much and I'd instantly sell him if that offer was really made.

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He's been one of the decent few on the pitch

What made you think he's not good enough? His last ditch tackle that saved a sure goal? His constant support to his attacker?

Did you see DS on the left? Probably not because he's been as MIA as SES has. That's the current guy who would replace Abate
X-Offender
Very well deserved. We've been absolutely terrible, which was to be expected considering the genius midfield our genius coach decided to field today. Ambro and Muntari have been abysmal.
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 10 2013, 05:53 PM) *
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He's been one of the decent few on the pitch?

What made you think he's not good enough? His last ditch tackle that saved a sure goal? His constant support to his attacker?

Did you see DS on the left? Probably not because he's been as MIA as SES has. That's the current guy who would replace Abate


Absolutely agree.
KillerMax
Muntari has been actually one of the only decent players on the pitch so far.
X-Offender
QUOTE (KillerMax @ Feb 10 2013, 05:55 PM) *
Muntari has been actually one of the only decent players on the pitch so far.


Muntari is playing??? ohmy.gif
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 10 2013, 03:53 PM) *
Very well deserved. We've been absolutely terrible, which was to be expected considering the genius midfield our genius coach decided to field today. Ambro and Muntari have been abysmal.

I didn't think Muntari was THAT bad, and I'm usually someone who sees everything as bad when he's involved.

There have been far too many other soar spots so far for me to even think about Muntari. He's been his usual average self.

Ambro, Zapata, DS, SES, Niang. They've all be worse than Muntari imo

We need to make at least 2 subs immediately for the second half. Get Prince and Bojan in there and get Nocerino to come on a bit later
han2503
QUOTE (KillerMax @ Feb 10 2013, 03:55 PM) *
Muntari has been actually one of the only decent players on the pitch so far.

agreed
dst
QUOTE (KillerMax @ Feb 10 2013, 02:53 PM) *
And replace him with?

A decent cheap defender.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 10 2013, 02:53 PM) *
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He's been one of the decent few on the pitch

What made you think he's not good enough? His last ditch tackle that saved a sure goal? His constant support to his attacker?

Did you see DS on the left? Probably not because he's been as MIA as SES has. That's the current guy who would replace Abate

You misunderstood me, I'm not saying he's a bad player (however I take what you say about constant support to his attacker as a joke cause the guy is clueless going forward and he'd be a total attacking non-factor if it was not for his speed), I'm saying he's not worth more than 10m. I'd use that money to get a decent midfielder instead.

Cagliari have not been attacking from their right side so obviously you're not going to see much of DS. And they are double covering El Sha so he does not have space to attack either.
X-Offender
How can you say Muntari's been good? The guy's done nothing. Look at Flamini, running for the whole 45 minutes, assisting his peers in defense AND attack. Muntari has just been walking throughout the first half. Maybe he's been good cause he hasn't screwed up yet, but that's beyond the point.
X-Offender
And as always, no subs after an atrocious first half. Typical Allegri.
han2503
QUOTE (dst @ Feb 10 2013, 04:01 PM) *
You misunderstood me, I'm not saying he's a bad player (however I take what you say about constant support to his attacker as a joke cause the guy is clueless going forward and he'd be a total attacking non-factor if it was not for his speed), I'm saying he's not worth more than 10m. I'd use that money to get a decent midfielder instead.

Cagliari have not been attacking from their right side so obviously you're not going to see much of DS.

DS has been MIA because he does not know how to contribute in attack, while Abate has been constantly in support of Flamini and Niang.

He's not been stellar today, but even with that he's still one of the only few actually trying to do something. The last few games he's been a lot better than today, but one can only do so much when he has Flamini and Niang up ahead to make overlaps with.

And if he was as clueless in attack as you say, he wouldn't have 5 assists so far when he hasn't played a lot of games this season compared to previous ones.

Abate in the current market is worth more than 10m. Simple. And it's not even about the money! It's about keeping the core of the team intact and holding on to the current good players we have.
X-Offender
QUOTE (dst @ Feb 10 2013, 06:01 PM) *
A decent cheap defender.


You misunderstood me, I'm not saying he's a bad player (however I take what you say about constant support to his attacker as a joke cause the guy is clueless going forward and he'd be a total attacking non-factor if it was not for his speed), I'm saying he's not worth more than 10m. I'd use that money to get a decent midfielder instead.

Cagliari have not been attacking from their right side so obviously you're not going to see much of DS. And they are double covering El Sha so he does not have space to attack either.


€10 million is peanuts given today's prices. Saying Abate isn't worth that much is very insulting.
han2503
OMG!!

We're getting absolutely turned over!!
Fillipo Simone
Saying DS is at fault for SES doing nothing is way over the top.
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 10 2013, 04:10 PM) *
Saying DS is at fault for SES doing nothing is way over the top.

SES is NOT a winger, he needs someone to at least provide him with an overlapping run as an option because he simply cannot dribble his way through. Constant at least provides him with this support, DS is just not doing anything
dst
Are you guys being serious? So how much is Abate worth in your opinion and who is going to give us that? You realize no one is really interested in Abate do you? The market you're talking about, as any other, is about supply and demand...

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 10 2013, 03:05 PM) *
And it's not even about the money! It's about keeping the core of the team intact and holding on to the current good players we have.

It's about improving. If we were to use that money to (partly) fund the signing of a solid midfielder I'm all for it.
X-Offender
Niang, wow, so bad...
han2503
Cagliari already making a change while we're losing and Allegri is still twiddling his thumbs
X-Offender
QUOTE (dst @ Feb 10 2013, 06:14 PM) *
Are you guys being serious? So how much is Abate worth in your opinion and who is going to give us that? You realize no one is really interested in Abate do you? The market you're talking about, as any other, is about supply and demand...


It's about improving. If we were to use that money to (partly) fund the signing of a solid midfielder I'm all for it.


Around €15 million, and if no-one's interested, good for us.
han2503
QUOTE (dst @ Feb 10 2013, 04:14 PM) *
Are you guys being serious? So how much is Abate worth in your opinion and who is going to give us that? You realize no one is really interested in Abate do you? The market you're talking about, as any other, is about supply and demand...


It's about improving. If we were to use that money to (partly) fund the signing of a solid midfielder I'm all for it.

That's not improving!

It's bulldozing one strong building to build another.

Weakening an area to strengthen another is not improvement
han2503
60 minutes gone and we're still strolling around with no change
Fillipo Simone
Niang and Abate are painful to watch on the wing. No connection, making no way for each other, horrible crossing and zero efficiency.
X-Offender
Boateng for SES... WHAT?!
han2503
LOOOL

Takes off SES to bring on Prince!!!

And that midfield still remains intact!!

Gicve him a TEN year extension if possible!!!
X-Offender
Ambrosini, Y U STILL PLAY FOOTBALL?!
Fillipo Simone
Ambro rugby shot.
dst
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 10 2013, 03:15 PM) *
Around €15 million, and if no-one's interested, good for us.

Listen to what I'm saying please, I'm not saying sell him for the sake of it, I'm saying sell him to improve our midfield.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 10 2013, 03:16 PM) *
That's not improving!

It's bulldozing one strong building to build another.

Weakening an area to strengthen another is not improvement

I'd say you are exaggerating a bit, our "building" is, thank God, not built on Abate! Midfield comes first so weakening the defense to improve our midfield certainly is an improvement. Besides, midfield is also defense, as you said yourself we have Ambrosini, Muntari and Flamini in there and Cagliari still reach our box relatively easy.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 10 2013, 06:20 PM) *
Ambrosini, Y U STILL PLAY FOOTBALL?!

Come on, that's not necessary. Plenty of our players have been bad if not worse.
X-Offender
Yellow card for Ambro, misses next match.

X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 10 2013, 06:21 PM) *
Come on, that's not necessary. Plenty of our players have been bad if not worse.


Nah man, Ambro has been the worst today. And now he's off, Bojan in.
X-Offender
QUOTE (dst @ Feb 10 2013, 06:21 PM) *
Listen to what I'm saying please, I'm not saying sell him for the sake of it, I'm saying sell him to improve our midfield.


We can improve our midfield by not selling him.
han2503
QUOTE (dst @ Feb 10 2013, 04:21 PM) *
Listen to what I'm saying please, I'm not saying sell him for the sake of it, I'm saying sell him to improve our midfield.


I'd say you are exaggerating a bit, our "building" is, thank God, not built on Abate! Midfield comes first so weakening the defense to improve our midfield certainly is an improvement. Besides, midfield is also defense, as you said yourself we have Ambrosini, Muntari and Flamini in there and Cagliari still reach our box relatively easy.

I didn't say that Abate was our foundation...

It was a metaphore which explains the weakening of one area to improve another. And that is what you're proposing.

We can afford to keep Abate and still strengthen our midfield. What we need is a decent CM who is capable of keeping the ball who is not names Montolivo.

The problem with the players you listed is Allegri picking them to start, he had better option on the bench which he could have decided to start with

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 10 2013, 04:22 PM) *
Yellow card for Ambro, misses next match.


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Who did Bojan come on for?

Why is Niang still on the pitch FFS!
X-Offender
Bojan came in for Ambro.

At least draw this game to remain 3 points from 3rd place.
KillerMax
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KillerMax
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X-Offender
Robinho will save us!!!

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