Can't believe we're discussing Roma s if we beat Barca so that makes it all ok

And last season we beat every top club and apparently it's because they were "weak", The same would be said this season. Had we beat Inter, you'd have said "So we should, they aren't even in the CL places" (they weren't at the time). Had we beaten Napoli (although at the time it was too early to tell), looking back at their position now you'd be saying "so we should, they suck". Had we beaten Juve, you'd have said "So we should, they're mediocre" (like you've been saying ALL season.)

Because there's a few on here that're massively underrating most teams, yourself included. It's done in a way so that Max can not get any credit. If we win, you say you expect it. If we don't, you say it's because he's a bad coach.

No doubt if we win a title with Ancelotti/Capello/Sacchi/*insert former Milan player it will because of their uncomprable coaching ability.

You're saying that based on what?

Sorry but I don't buy that. we have shown an unusual interest in making unnecessary signings of attackers since before Max became our coach so I don't think it was him who really wanted Tevez. of course he wasn't going to oppose the pursuit for Tevez but I think he understands football enough to see where the team needs to be reinforced. signing Tevez sounds like the idea of someone very interested in financial and promotional aspects of the things rather than the technical ones. someone inside the management.

Btw, Do you not consider Aquilani (regardless of his 'level') a classical creator like Pirlo?


Where did Lazio and Roma finish last season? (I'm asking - I don't remember)

What I remember is Lazio usually start the seasons promisingly but in the end finish far from where everyone initially thought they would. quite unlike Roma.

You wanna bet come the end of the season Roma will be higher in the standings than Lazio?



When you went all "Don't you understand... don't you understand" on me



Fair enough. as for the bold sentence, that's indeed your opinion because the fact remains that we hadn't won at the Olimpico in years. it's always important to break such curses in football.

I never said that last season we were weak. I don't think anyone said this in fact. The league as a whole was weaker yes, but imo, we were a lot stronger last season. We played better thoughout last season, we beat teams like Napoli and Inter without breaking a sweat. We were efficient, did not get caught on the counter and had basically our entire first 11 in top form.

This season our entire system is just 1 big fail! We move the ball around from our fullbacks back to our CBs, back around to the midfield, and recycle. Then we get caught on a counter attack and conceed. Then the players lose their heads and go gungho trying to score with no end results while our defence pushed so high up the pitch we conceed the finall killer goal.

Rinse and repeat in the next match.

We saw all these problems last season as well in the beginning, but Allegri eliminated them from our game, this season it's become even worse for some reason. Our entire tactical setup is one big mess and this is one of Allegri's biggest short comings this season. Add to that the Urby fiasco at AM, not starting with our best line-ups in every game and than taking too long to correct those mistakes, and no wonder the majority of people are starting to get p!ssed off with his pig headed ways.

That being said, I do acknowledge that the injuries have taken their toll, even on how far Allegri can be stretched, but some of the point we lost have to also be attributed to his tactical shortcomings and mistakes. The match against Lazio imo, even with all the injuries, the line-up he put out should have been able to win that game yet we couldn't because we've become a predictable one dimensional team, who's only path to goal is Ibrahimovich

I don't underrate teams, I just expect better from us, and frankly, so should you.

Naah Kurt, you're stretching it. It certainly has nothing to do with the fact that Allegri wasn't a Milan player, although technically speaking he was

It also has nothing to do with underestimating the oppositions strengths. All in all this year Serie A is more competitive.

Our, or shall I say, my problem with Allegri is his tactics and the thing that bothers me most is that he shows tactical in-adaptability when facing a challenge or strong(er) opposition.

That's not the point. I mentioned Roma because you have been saying it not once but over and over again that we have lost to EVERY big team this season / we have a big fat zero record etc etc. completely ignoring that game. if there is an exception, you should make that exception otherwise you're just acting desperate to prove an invalid point which is a 0% record of winning against every big team this season.

I have no evidence other then logic. True, we had a thing for strikers. But did Allegri say in any way a classic creator is needed? There's always talk about players like Lass Diarra or a new Boateng, little about players like the young Eriksen. Ganso was creator I think.


Yes, I do, and once again Allegri has problems positioning him as an AM. As we all witnessed, he tried it out once or twice and then dropped the thing and made Aquilani a LCM. He prefers Seedorf, Robinho, Boateng and perhaps Emanuelson over Aquilani in that department.


Yes, it's a usual Reja thing. Good start, catastrophic finish. Last season Lazio finished 5th, Roma 6th.

But yes, the bet is on - name the terms


Good god, how many misunderstandings. It was supposed to be a rhetorical modus, nothing else, certainly not a personal attack. Sorry.

Bottom line, don't you think this "Big February" is going downhill for us?

Okay, but really, what's the difference? We didn't won against any big team - we didn't won against any big team other then Roma. It's only creating a mental difference.

That's just the papers speculating. you don't see Allegri talking about what he wants and what he doesn't want that much if at all. but the moment we signed Muntari you all pointed fingers at him where in fact he'd never ever hinted at his signing.


Yeah but we were talking about who decides about the signings not Max's failure to use Aquilani properly

According to what you said: A. Max only wants hard workers in midfield B. Max is in line with the management on who to sign C. we signed Aquilani a classical creator but it couldn't have possibly been what Max wanted! see the contradiction now?


You should change your current signature permanently


Nono don't say sorry. I didn't complain. you asked when it became personal and I answered. that's it.



Yes but I care about the ultimate result not what happens in a certain month.

What's the Big February btw? is it a Max-coined term?

And with it being more competitive, you'd expect us to get les points, surely? Yet we compare very well with last season.

Last season after 22 games - Won 14, drew 5, lost 3
This season after 22 games - Won 13, drew 5, lost 4

Last seasons 'multiple games' after 22 games - Lecce, Catania, Cesena
This seasons 'multiple games' after 22 games - Cagliari, Lazio, Napoli.

So we're 3 points down on last season. But when you take into consideration that it's 1) a more competitive league and 2) the teams we've had to play twice are far better than what they were last season, what's the big deal? We're having a good season, just because Juve are having a currently historic season is no reflection on our coach.

On the creativity thing. It's hardly Max's fault that Cassano and Aquilani are both out. With those 2 and Ibra in the same lineup, that's enough creativity, in my opinion.

We were strong against Roma who were also playing well in that match.

I believe Ibra is not a creative player. He is slow and does not run.
Pirlo and Ricky is.

Galliani "We want Ibra on loan".
Barca: "We want to sell him".

He is a very famous player but fame does not mean class. He does not care about the team.

Un gran cazzo senza margarina.

Ibrahimovic is a creative player, being slow and not running has nothing to do with creativity or else Pirlo is not a creative player aswell, same goes for when Ronaldinho was at Milan.

Career wise Ibrahimovic only cares for himself and not for a club. He obviously is not someone to be loyal to a club his whole career. Though when he plays for a team, he really does care for the team to preform well a lot.

What do you mean with class?

I disagree, Pirlo is not fast yes. But he has other sublime areas that he uses. Zlatan does not have the ability to do that. If he can, any striker can. The problem is, that Ibra has a personality which takes up place, regardless of his performance, it creates the same 'all balls on Ibra' mentality as seen in Sweden national team. 11 players are on the field, anyone can score, not just him.

Ronaldinho is a Brazilian. The concept is speed, agility and technique. Ronaldinho played as a winger in Milan, he takes the ball on the flank, runs along the flank and crosses or makes a doppio passo and shoots. Like against Burdisso in derby. It is a question of moving not standing still or walking.
Also, Ronaldinho on one season with us dominated assisting in Serie A by:

Number of passes lead to shot on goal:

1. Ronaldinho 73.

Passes that lead to a goal:

1. 14.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwRQQSvGqw4

In todays football, speed is more than yesterday. This is why the french football association in their youth camps says: "You are a good talent, but lack speed; find another place".

Ibra is a good player. But Milan deals only with the highest class, like when we bought Pippo. Also, his behaviour causes his value to drop as to if he is worth it or not.

I agree Ibra has winner mentality but; http://www.milannews.it/?action=read&idnotizia=72792 Ibra as a striker has had 19 matches of suspension. If he cares about how Milan fare on the pitch he can stop doing what he has been doing since Juventus.

I don't know what you are referring to there.

Obviously Ibrahimovic is not as much as a playmaker Pirlo is, but he is a lot more than other forwards are.

Mourinho's Inter had the best striker in the world for some years, a prime Maicon, one of the best young strikers in the world and Milito at his peak.



The facts are that in terms of the big clubs around the world this Juve IS actually mediocre compared to Manchester United, Man City, Barca, Bayern, Real.....heck probably Chelsea and Arsenal as well. SerieA is in a rather deplorable position and Conte's team is playing big fish in a puddle.

the FACT that Juve is mediocre and vastly superior to us at present should come as no surprise since we stumbled out of the CL last year to Tottenham of all people.

Now I'm not saying that Allegri is hard done by due to injuries....but to insist that his failings are due solely or mainly due to the absences in the team is rather disingenuous.

Allegri has failed to construct an alternative to Ibrahimovic. As Ibra's form and fortune goes so does Milan's. He has failed to nurture and develop Pato and to properly integrate Robinho. It's sad that the few timew we did see these guys together they looked so good and Pato was actually a great iBra alternative. I think injuries aside, Pato now has to find confidence from somehwere if we are ever to see anything of worth from him in this uniform again.

When Pato complained about Allegri's not talking to him it was a rather grave indictment. Pato wasn't alone as others, such as Taiwo etc also complained about his lack of communication.

Allegri has now contrived to mould the entire team as a bunch of runners and blue collar midfielders to create an Inter like environment because it's the only condition that a tactically one dimensional player like him can thrive in.

The fallout from his decisions, coupled with the fact that only injury crises force his hand is playing youngsters should paint a rather clear picture of his mediocrity.

All of the above had their critics....however their successes are FAR beyond whatever the clueless one has achieved. I understand that you take some perverse delight in twisting facts for the sole purpose of desecrating our legends but I'd wish you'd stop.