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kurtsimonw
QUOTE (shevchenko_007 @ Feb 5 2012, 03:39 PM) *
What are you talking about!! How are we going to score a goal with Robinho on the field?!?! Are you happy with a draw?? or a loss??

Pretty sure we've scored lots of goals with Robinho on the field this season. And I'm happy with a result that doesn't mean we lose ground in the title race.
William405
QUOTE (drucurl @ Feb 5 2012, 05:47 PM) *
Ok now he's done it!! F__k off Allegri mad.gif


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shevchenko_007
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 5 2012, 11:49 PM) *
Pretty sure we've scored lots of goals with Robinho on the field this season. And I'm happy with a result that doesn't mean we lose ground in the title race.


To win the league you need to win games!
William405
Emmanuelson plays so much better at his correct side of mid.
han2503
Another 2 lost points against a top side...

Who would have predicted this rolleyes.gif
CrazyMilanFan
ft 0-0 juve game still being played
William405
Juve tie too phew!
arivanjj
ibra and robinho cost us the game. fantastic
il_diavolo_mtl
QUOTE (William405 @ Feb 5 2012, 10:53 AM) *
Juve tie too phew!

and Inter, Udinese and Lazio got smoked. All in all, it could be alot worse
shevchenko_007
A game we really should have won... I know Juve drew as well but we cant just stay in touch, we need to get in front of them.
Ibra with his usual brilliance, although not a red card he shouldnt put himself in those situations.
This will be good, we need to be less ibra-dependent and let other players show what they can do.
Allegri needs to be able to adapt, which he has proved time and time again that he is incable of this.
But only time will tell, I am going to remain as positive as I can and just hope El Shaarawy gets some game time because he has been the shining light for me.
arivanjj
QUOTE (shevchenko_007 @ Feb 6 2012, 01:56 AM) *
Ibra with his usual brilliance, although not a red card he shouldnt put himself in those situations.
This will be good, we need to be less ibra-dependent and let other players show what they can do.

we dont need to be less ibra-dependent in this period of time. we got udinese and juve in the next few games.
il_diavolo_mtl
Positives were a good game from our CBs, the midfield did much better then the first game.

Negatives. Our forwards and abate vs Zuniga was awful sad.gif
William405
Zuniga is really good though...
kurtsimonw
Really do not get what Ibra was doing. A definite red card and the most unnecessary one you'll ever see.
I_Rossoneri
QUOTE (shevchenko_007 @ Feb 5 2012, 03:56 PM) *
A game we really should have won... I know Juve drew as well but we cant just stay in touch, we need to get in front of them.
Ibra with his usual brilliance, although not a red card he shouldnt put himself in those situations.
This will be good, we need to be less ibra-dependent and let other players show what they can do.
Allegri needs to be able to adapt, which he has proved time and time again that he is incable of this.
But only time will tell, I am going to remain as positive as I can and just hope El Shaarawy gets some game time because he has been the shining light for me.



I agree^^

Also, I have defended Allegri and tried not to jump on the 'Allegri is ****' bandwagon, but to sub Seedorf for Ambro when we needed to win was quite ridiculous I'm afraid. Had we have been playing away to Juve and done the same thing then I might have said it was a wise choice, but we were playing at home and we really need to take our chances rather then take the easy option. Allegri really needs to show some balls if he wants to retain the Scudetto.
han2503
This could have been an opportunity to get ahead of Juve given that they have a game in hand. But no, we had to mess it all up.

Both players and the coach, imo there were mistakes being made everywhere, but at least we avoided the typical killer counter attack that we usually end up losing to in these games.

Why Allegri took off Seedorf to bring in Ambro, I'll never understand. He should have brought on Maxi or El Shaa for him.

Ibra imo let everyone down today. He just cannot keep pulling off such BS! But the ref screwed us over big time imo. If Ibra deserved a red than so did Aronica for doing the same exact thing to Nocerino.

And now, we're stuck with a bare to the bones team for the Udine game as well as the one following that.
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 5 2012, 05:02 PM) *
Really do not get what Ibra was doing. A definite red card and the most unnecessary one you'll ever see.

I agreed that it was a red. But Aronica did the exact same thing to Nocerino. And while the ref caved to all the belly aching from the Napoli players and sent off Ibra, he did nothing when it came to Aronica. I really hope that he gets the same punishment as Ibra after video evidence is reviewed
rip
This is why i hate Ibra. We were playing great and all of sudden Ibra puts on his 'clumsy act'. This is why i want him out. He may be a great world class player but IMO he is not worth the hassle. Although i must give credit to the Napoli who Ibra hit. If it were couple of players from a particular top club, they would be on the ground holding their face and crying a flood biggrin.gif .

Atleast we ddnt loose... i guess thats a positive
han2503
Well at least Juve keep losing points against the smaller teams as well as some against the top sides. Still they're potentially 4 points ahead of us when today we should have made that 2. Napoli were there for the taking and we just could not kill them off

People who insisted that Pato should be the one chopped off should we get Tevez. Please review this season and last, and insist again on Robinho. He's becoming such a liability. His missed chances are becoming too much now. How he could have missed that sure goal... I still have my mouth hung open in shock...

Bottom line, we need to get the injured starting players back ASAP, starting with Boateng, Pato and Aqui.
kurtsimonw
So many things didn't go our way to do. Be it a bit of bad luck, stupid mistakes. I won't panic yet, I'll see how things go when we get some players back. Right now we have little option.
TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 5 2012, 12:06 PM) *
Why Allegri took off Seedorf to bring in Ambro, I'll never understand. He should have brought on Maxi or El Shaa for him.

There were two options, go for the win or try to hold out for a draw. He chose one of two options.

QUOTE (rip @ Feb 5 2012, 12:11 PM) *
He may be a great world class player but IMO he is not worth the hassle. Although i must give credit to the Napoli who Ibra hit. If it were couple of players from a particular top club, they would be on the ground holding their face and crying a flood biggrin.gif .

I don't recall anyone hitting Ibra.




Robinho & Ibra costed us this game!

Allegri take very long to make a damn change after Ibra's sending off (...but whatever)

In games like this you can't help but realize how much we are missing Cassano & Aquilani.

More and more Abate is looking like an amateur when he was finally looking like a player on the rise last year.

He needs to get his sh!t together!!

In closing, I'll say this... Aronica is, was and always will be a big dirty brute f@g!

Today he just reassured me of this!
Fillipo Simone
I must say, Allegri bears less responsibility for yet another bad match then usual.

This time Robinho and Ibra top everything else. Robinho's finishing skills are in line with the worst defenders; it's becoming unacceptable to me, maybe in Brazil or a less ambitious side he could the striker star and net in 2 out of 20 but at Milan this rate is unacceptable.

Ibra is doing the exact same thing he's done last year: in a crucial moment he's again proving to be a dirty and mindless player. The club should punish him.

Abate? Dreadful. Seems he's lost his confidence once again. I wouldn't go as far as saying we need another RB to replace him, but in general - our fullback options suck. We must bring in quality; stop bringing those Taiwos and Mesbahs and make a move for a real fullback.
rip
QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Feb 5 2012, 05:46 PM) *
I don't recall anyone hitting Ibra.


I meant to say, the guy who was hit by Ibra.

^ I agree. Ibra has to be punished
William405
QUOTE
I must say, Allegri bears less responsibility for yet another bad match then usual.


Good to know.

QUOTE
This time Robinho and Ibra top everything else. Robinho's finishing skills are in line with the worst defenders; it's becoming unacceptable to me, maybe in Brazil or a less ambitious side he could the striker star and net in 2 out of 20 but at Milan this rate is unacceptable.

Ibra is doing the exact same thing he's done last year: in a crucial moment he's again proving to be a dirty and mindless player. The club should punish him.


We all know Robinho isn't a usual starter,but he's playing because we have Pato out.He still offers something off the bench,but he is in a very bad form atm.

I wouldn't say Ibra is dirty!I think he saw something there(Nocerino getting hit?)And,that pissed him off!Let's say your friend gets hit,wouldn't that trigger you a bit.I admit it was bit stupid considiring the circumstances,and I was the first to say,but does he deserve to be called dirty,no imo...

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Abate? Dreadful. Seems he's lost his confidence once again. I wouldn't go as far as saying we need another RB to replace him, but in general - our fullback options suck. We must bring in quality; stop bringing those Taiwos and Mesbahs and make a move for a real fullback.


Mesbah has been doing great,what's your point?We need to pay top bucks to get a quality fullback,and that's not even guarenteed.I would have liked Cricisto to come,he went for penauts to Zenit.

Jack Bauer
And even after the red card we were more dangerous but the timing of the card was awful as we were dominating and the goal was coming.

Last season when Ibra started to do this sh!t at least we had an in-form Pato and and Cassano. It will be much harder to deal with it now as we have so many players out injured.

MVB won't play against Udinese as well dry.gif So next week we'll play with Nocerino, Ambrosini, Urby, Seedorf - El Sha, Robinho with no midfielder on the bench.
han2503
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Feb 5 2012, 06:32 PM) *
And even after the red card we were more dangerous but the timing of the card was awful as we were dominating and the goal was coming.

Last season when Ibra started to do this sh!t at least we had an in-form Pato and and Cassano. It will be much harder to deal with it now as we have so many players out injured.

MVB won't play against Udinese as well dry.gif So next week we'll play with Nocerino, Ambrosini, Urby, Seedorf - El Sha, Robinho with no midfielder on the bench.

Maxi will just have to play from the start. We need a decent finisher in there. Robs and El Shaa are too similar.

Plus, El Shaa would provide us with a decent option from the bench, we could push Seedorf back in midfield and play 3 up front if we need a goal in the 2nd half.

Plus, don't forget we have the Juve match on Wednesday, the first leg of the Coppa is at the San Siro at least. So imo we need to rest 1 midfielder and Robinho or Seedorf against Juve and play VB and Ibra in the Juve match since they won't be playing in the league against Udine

Imo, for the next 2 games due to our major crises situation we'll have to go like this

Juve:

Abate--Mexes--Thiago--Mesbah
Urby--VB--Nocerino
El Shaa
Ibra--Maxi


Udine:

Abate--Mexes--Thiago--Mesbah
Urby--Ambro--Nocerino
Seedorf
Robs--Maxi


This way we can give Ambro, Seedorf and Robinho a full week's rest. I really wish we could do the same with Thiago and Nocerino. But atm, that's simply not an option for us
TriniKing_CE
Aronica seen choking Nocerino right as he collected a slap from Ibra (...only to slap Nocerino afterward as well):

han2503
QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Feb 5 2012, 07:19 PM) *
Aronica seen choking Nocerino right as he collected a slap from Ibra (...only to slap Nocerino afterward as well):


But that apparently wasn't seen, neither was the slap to Nocerino's face rolleyes.gif

And Mazarri has the audacity to complain that the big clubs get all the calls their way, we were cheated against Lazio last week and again this week.
I_Rossoneri
Ibra is slapping him because he has Nocerino by the throat, yet Ibra is the only one to get punished! LOL just LOL rolleyes.gif
il_diavolo_mtl
QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Feb 5 2012, 01:49 PM) *
Ibra is slapping him because he has Nocerino by the throat, yet Ibra is the only one to get punished! LOL just LOL rolleyes.gif

this is why i don't really care if the club punishes Ibra or not, it's not as bad as his Red vs Bari last year, he's standing up for his teammate... Does him getting the red suck? F*ck yeah, but we have SOOOOOOO many players playing bellow their standard that Ibra cannot shoulder all of the blame. We've been very sloppy of late and are lucky that ibra alone can still get 3 points. This is not our strategy, or our MO as people on the forum think, it is merely a very thin squad (due to injuries) playing in 3 competitions they are expected to go far in. We have sooooooo many injuries and nowhere near the depth we once boasted.

We cannot sincerely expect our aging, thin squad to be able to properly compete if the likes of Abate, Pato (when not-horizontal), Robi, MvB, Seedorf, Ambro, Urby, whoever is playing LB, Abbiati, Amelia, Bonnera and to a lesser degree, MvB are greatly underperforming. Ibra is the only reason we are not outside the top 5 IMO. The squad isn't good enough for domination on 3 fronts, at least not when faced with such an injury bug.

Before you tell me that Allegri would hate to have good, technical, pacey players (most retarded argument i've ever heard btw), may I underline how HE HAS NO SAY IN THE MATTER! Galliani will pull rank 9/10 times over Allegri. FFS we couldn't even get him Lazzari or Asamoah, who you would find to be alot better then the midfield we are currently fielding.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Feb 5 2012, 06:49 PM) *
Ibra is slapping him because he has Nocerino by the throat, yet Ibra is the only one to get punished! LOL just LOL rolleyes.gif

I think it's time football goes American and introduces video replay for big decisions (goals, penalties, red cards). It's like FIFA are happy for games to be ruined by incompetence.
Brian Birkin
It was done again like this by Ibra. Cazzo. Some say that Gattuso plays bad way. Ibra is off the field at least one time per season because of violence.

I am not angry at the referee very much, like with Lazio. Because in both matches we played in a bad way, and did not win. Even though, I can say that the referees has judged wrong.
d'Arc.LP
La Gazzetta dello Sport: Ibrahimovic will be banned for two matches.
I_Rossoneri
QUOTE (Brian Birkin @ Feb 6 2012, 02:26 AM) *
It was done again like this by Ibra. Cazzo. Some say that Gattuso plays bad way. Ibra is off the field at least one time per season because of violence.

I am not angry at the referee very much, like with Lazio. Because in both matches we played in a bad way, and did not win. Even though, I can say that the referees has judged wrong.


But Ibra was defending a team mate! If you look at the picture Aronica has his hand round Nocerino's throat and Ibra gives him a slap to stop him! Pity De Sanctis wasn't as quick to point that out...
Fillipo Simone
So, what's our next fixture?
d'Arc.LP
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 6 2012, 12:03 PM) *
So, what's our next fixture?


Our next 5 fixtures:
Milan - Juventus for Coppa Italia
Udinese - Milan for Serie A
Milan - Arsenal for Champions
Cesena - Milan for Serie A
Milan - Juventus for Serie A
han2503
I'll open the Coppa thread
d'Arc.LP
Ibra overreacted ? I don't think so.

Jack Bauer
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Feb 6 2012, 06:06 PM) *
Ibra overreacted ? I don't think so.

It's o.k to protect your teammates, but not by slapping other players. In the end, his actions hurt the team. It probably cost us two points and now we have to play in a very difficult away game without him while in the middle of a injury epidemic.
Brian Birkin
Of course Aronica should have been sent off. Defending a team mate is right. But a slap is a direct action of violence.
This is not the first time Ibra is in this region.

http://www.milannews.it/?action=read&idnotizia=72660

Mazzara: "Without Ibra, the true colours of Milan will be shown".

Last season, Ibra was away alot during the second half but we managed well.
han2503
QUOTE (Brian Birkin @ Feb 6 2012, 06:49 PM) *
Of course Aronica should have been sent off. Defending a team mate is right. But a slap is a direct action of violence.
This is not the first time Ibra is in this region.

http://www.milannews.it/?action=read&idnotizia=72660

Mazzara: "Without Ibra, the true colours of Milan will be shown".

Last season, Ibra was away alot during the second half but we managed well.

Yes, but we had Pato, Cassano and Robinho all available and playing well.

At least we'll only lose him for Udine and Cesena which should be managable, eapecially if we get Pato and one of the midfielders back
Brian Birkin
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 6 2012, 08:09 PM) *
Yes, but we had Pato, Cassano and Robinho all available and playing well.

At least we'll only lose him for Udine and Cesena which should be managable, eapecially if we get Pato and one of the midfielders back


Yeah.

If the suspension is lowered. It should be, but lets await it. We could really have good in midfielders coming back now.
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