Another game which we still say Pato is young and has time. He'll be 23 next september, lets keep giving him chances shall we.

omgzzz 23 he's past it definitely!!!



Anyhow, what kinda $h!t Manager says his players cheated to win a penalty and a handball should have been called on Seedorf

GTFO $h!tlegri!!!

An honest one? I must say, it's very refreshing to see a coach come out and say they got lucky or whatever. As for Pato, Didn't both Carlo and Leo bench him and not seem to trust him much too? This says more about the player than it does Allegri, in my opinion.

Most Brazillian players have their prime years very young. There usually done by 28.

...ahem, no, they didn't bench him?

Just had a look. He was on the bench an awful lot for Carlo, but not Leo.

People are making far too many excuses for Pato and then turning it to blame Allagri. He's had 4 shots on target this season..

Under Carlo the guy played his best football, and when he was on the bench it was either due to: injury or teen-years (for a time he wasn't still proven enough). I think no one who's watched Milan under Carletto can deny Pato was treated more then fairly and was able to progress.

But that isn't what I said. I simply said he was benched alot, which is true.

Yeah it is, but you used it in the wrong context.

Its not about being treated fairly. its about scoring. I like how balotelli put it. They asked him why he doesntt smile when he scores; he said its his job to score, its what hes there for, he's happy but its something thats normal and expected.

Pato has done f*ck all this season and has been slowly declining year by year. I've personally had enough with him, I hope we swap him for Balotelli or sell him to Madrid.


We defend him over and over for what? Kaka at least won us something, what has pato done for us ? He is overrated and most of it comes from his potential. What has he actually accomplished? Has he won Top Goal Scorer? Has he even been named on Fif Pro's list of the best?

I don't get the criticism really. Robinho is missing sitters that my grandma would score with her cane and we're getting on Pato's back for a game where he barely got to touch the ball because the overall team performance was pure cr@p

I think it's ridiculous. And wanting Balotelli over him is even more ridiculous. At least I can always count on Pato to behave himself as a professional. He's going through a bit of a dry spell after being injured. That's how Pato usually operates, he takes time to get in his stride but when he does he scores regularly. The problem is his injuries, not the fact that he failed to score in a game

I think it's harsh to say Balo isn't professional. He got a red card this season for 2 yellow cards that weren't even yellow card worthy. Otherwise he's been outstanding on the pitch. Off the pitch, it's more funny what he does than bad. Certainly nothing as stupid as getting involved with the owners daughter.

I'm sure you wouldn't think it's funny when he's disrupting your team and creating bad situations for your club

What Pato does in his personal life is his own business as long as it does not effect his performance on the pitch

And you think what Balotelli does outside the pitch affectes his performance?

Balotelli's problem is not a personal love life with inappropriate people. But his antics that effect the club. Whether those antics effect his performance or not is another matter. But if he's having problems with coaches and team mates good performances or not, he will still disrupt the team

Yet City are leading the Premier League, and Balotelli's scoring rate has been impressive. Where's all the disrupting? Maybe you were referring to Tevez.

Yes, I'm sure that will last long Let's wait for someone to tick him off at some point or for him to have another fancy play moment and get on Mancini's nerves. We'll see how long this "great" behaviour lasts

Han's arguments are all "let's wait and see" .

Oh god, I'd take Pato over Balo in every possible scenario.

So you're contradicting yourself.

The only things Balo has done since in England have been in his personal life and they have not affected City at all. Yet you seem to consider them to be creating bad situations for the club. Pato is doing something in his personal life that is related to the club and you see no problem.

This is without the fact Balo is the superior player.

Agreed. You can't harp on Balotelli's minor off pitch issues and completely ignore Pato's off pitch issues. Neither one is perfect but to demonize Balotelli is unfair. To top it off he is playing better football than Pato to this point. The way I see it Pato has a higher potential but not by much and he looks less likely to reach his potential than Balotelli to this point in their careers.

The reality is a striker is being paid to score. Right now neither Robinho or Pato are scoring at an acceptable enough rate. If you look at pato's stats, his goal scoring ratio has been declining ever year and that is due to the simple fact that he has no desire to be the best anymore.

He his content with what he is right now. Its clear, you can see that the hunger is gone when you watch him play. For me pato is a finished Milan player. I can see him leave this summer and if not he will be given one more chance next year and if he doesn't perform, he will shipped out.


I could care less if they're behaving well or not. Do your job, win titles. Thats it, simple. This isn't a charity house, we are an elite footballing club, so lets act like one.

Never predict sh!t. You'll end up eating it


How am I contradicting myself? Balo could date the sheik's daughter for all I care. How does that disrupt the team atmosphere and consequently his performance? Same goes for Pato. How is he disrupting the team because he's seeing who he's seeing?

Balo's problems have always been his attitude. Something Pato never had. And an attitude problem like Balo has could easily disrupt an entire team. So far he's been ok at City, there have been moments when he was on the brink, but he's lucky to have someone like Mancini who is ready to put up with certain cr@p from him. Something that he doesn't do for someone like Tevez (hint hint )

How long will that last exactly? Until he p!sses someone off, or someone p!sses him off? because that's a highly likely scenario in his case.

As for being the superior player. I don't agree, and I don't disagree either. Balo has had so so seasons, same goes for Pato. Only Pato is held back by an injury record as long as a player's who's been in the game for 20 years not his short 6 or 7.

I don't think goals are Pato's problem. He has 51 goals in 108 Serie A game, which is roughly one per two games. His real problem is his attitude and his injury proneness. What you say makes very much sense, though. The guy doesn't seem eager to excel. He seems perfectly content with his current level, and he's only 23!

Let's not forget what injuries can do to someone's mentality.He sometimes seems scared to accelerate because of his fear of injuries,he's trying to be effective.And,if you see some of his interviews saying "he'll try to avoid injuries etc..",it approves that.So,I think you guys are being over the top with your criticism.

It's not like he has any control of his injuries. Like he could will them on himself so that he has a month's vacation

I'm sure Pato is more disheartened than anyone here that he's had to go through all the injury woes (and will most likely continue to) he went through


Agreed

Mexes: 'I need to play against Siena'

Of course you'll play sweetheart, unless Allegri wants to find the head of a horse under his sheets.

Yepes is injured for a long time btw too.

I think Pato's biggest problem are his injuries. He's simply unable to pick up a consistent form, always starting from scratch and therefore can't excel to another level! But that isn't his fault, so I don't get the criticism he get's.

Well said.

It's nobody elses fault either and a player whos always injured is no use to us. Which is why we need to cash in.

You want to bet that should he go to another top team than his injuries will miraculously disappear? Because i am positive that that is what will happen. Our medical team is incompetant and at fault for many "mysterious" situations in regards to recurring injuries. And it's not like pato is the first case

Yes, like Kaká is completely healthy at Real.

Pato's injuries are muscular. There's something wrong with his growth spurt. He didn't have such problems during his first two seasons with us.

So we deny ourselves £25m+, keep paying someone thats always injured for the sole purpose of not letting someone else have him? That's not a good idea.

I don't think it's that one sided. It's a gamble, but I think Pato is worth gambling.

I'd rather gamble on Balotelli.

I don't see why we can't have both. The Stoic Psycho and the Samba Star. Ibra won't last forever. We should land Mario in his last year of the City contract. By then Ibra will be moving on I think.

Kaka got his knees done in at Milan, it's a different situation

Pato's recurring muscle problems started at Milan, as you said, it's obvious his growth was effected in some way. But the fact that they keep happening and it's always the same thing has to be somewhat blamed on our inept medical staff. That's why I said he would most likely get over his problems at another team.

Serginho and Bonera both had similar issues with the same recurring injuries for extended period of time. Both with their backs. It's not like this is the first time we've seen it happen. Kaka and Ronaldo saught out second oppinions from the NT coaches.

I think Pato should do the same imo, maybe other docors can give him better answers. Because the Milan doctors clearly cannot get a handle on it

As for Balo, I agree with Jack, he'd be a possible Ibra replacement in the future. Him and Pato are very different. And I never understood why they were compared so much and still are being compared. Maybe it's because they're both insanely talented young players who burst onto the scene at opposite sides of Milan

I don't know if he was treated fairly, I mean sometimes it was frustrating to watch him sit on bench in favor of the good ol' Christmas tree, but yeah, he played his best football under Carlo.

That however doesn't say much about Carlo. it's just that Pato still hadn't developed this thigh problem yet... or shall I say, MilanLab hadn't done their damage yet.

This season aside, Pato's goalscoring ratio has always been ~0.5 goals per game and I'm fairly confident this season will be the same eventually.

It's always like this, at some point during each season there are lots of rumors of him being sold due to him not playing well/getting injured constantly, then he suddenly puts on his scoring boots and everyone suddenly forgets about it...

Maybe a chance to loan him out to get his full fitness back if we bring in Tevez next month

Gives him a chance to get games under his belt out of the spotlight. He's only 22 it would be silly to sell potential that he's got until he's fully developed around 25/26. Would leave us with Ibra, Tevez, Robinho with Inzaghi as back up until the end of the season. Lets face it if Tevez does come he's going to struggle to even make the bench

Loan won't happen. despite his form, he's still too big for that kind of thing. unless it's back to Brazil which would be a huge blow for him.

What?Pato is first team always.If Tevez comes,he'll probably play a trident of stikers.I doubt Tevez will come,it will be interesting.

Can't understand why Allegri isn't playing that now. With Robinho playing alongside at least then Pato could play in a more wide role rather than direct through the middle. Let him and Robinho run the channels

Only problem with that system would be Boateng playing more central rather than in behind but I'd be happy with that because we have more options in the middle if we need to change it

I simply can't see Allegri playing Pato, Tevez and Ibra at the same time, unless Tevez does the Robinho and tracks back a lot.

He does but not that the extent that Robinho does, he's not used to being needed to with City 99% dominating games. He's never really been in a side that's had to defend

I don't see the problem with rotating the strikers. No player should have a guaranteed spot regardless of there reputation. The minute you start playing players just because of there name is when you have problems. Pato is no different if he's not performing for whatever reason his future in the side should be looked at

Pato, Tevez and Ibrahimovic is not going to work I think. Mainly because the lack of workrate from Pato. Robinho, Tevez and Ibrahimovic may work though.

Hmm... well I disagree.

We all know that Carlo is a coach whose training emphasises a lot on physical fitness. Lotsa sandbox work etc. I'm not the right person but Bluesummers might be able to pitch in.

Also I remember the thing that players liked about Carlo was how he would somehow find a tactical system where everyone was in their favourite position. Pato under Carlo was an entirely different player, he had the freedom to do what he likes and run wherever and basically a license to play his style.

Allegri gives that license only to the Ibra-monster. The rest are under a tight leash.

Work rate, having to work channels, make intelligent runs...these are not things he is good at, but since he is not our natural primo-punta, he has to do this work. But to learn the role, he needs continuity and that's not happening.