What? I know I'm probably Ambro's biggest fan here, but I haven't made a single comment regarding his performance against Fiorentina.

Even greater players would prove themselves unsuccessful against arguably the best team in the world. We all know Ambro isn't suddenly back or great again - he just played a good match.


Can you point to the quotation where we did that?


Yes, you are right. I wanted to poke you and remind you of your usual negative comment about Ambro before the match. I wanted to see if you are able to admit he was good this time. And well, the rest is history...

Ambro is viewed under the soft bigotry of low expectations. Because he's worn the shirt longer then most he must be praised by the nostalgics. The fact is that him having a rare, non-terrible outing is more discussed then players who are much more important to our cause.

I think this answers all of the posts above.

@ kurt, you didn't exactly say it, but you were the one to immediately jump in to defend Ambro on all the points I brought up.

@ Filippo, that's just 1 other poster, who added a very to the good to decent rating I gave him. So it's not saying much

So now I'm a bigot for saying he had a good or very good match? This is going too far...


Maybe it's not much, but it proves you wrong nevertheless.

Let's not take it too far. I think he's right when saying that some players usually get easy passes due to their history at the club.

As for me being wrong, I don't think so, seeing as my posts were followed by people not thinking anything special about Ambro's performance but were just happy he didn't screw up like he usually does these days

Maybe when they play badly, but against Fiorentina Ambrosini was actually good. So there's no logic in that.


Hahaha. I'm not gonna participate in this debate anymore, I think people are getting annoyed. We all were happy he didn't screw up, and also praised him for a good/solid/very good performance, bar yourself.

Yes, I like to be unique

Now you're just arguing for the sake of it. X-Off, Fillipo and yourself were the only people to mention Ambro's performances as far as I know. I didn't even disagree with you until numerous pages later and the next day!

Even then all I said was in general the DMs role is to break up play, help keep posession for his team and to not let the other team advance past him with them. That isn't even me talking about how he played, just how I feel DMs should play. Like I said, you're just arguing for the sake of it because you have something against him and are seemingly using my name simply because you feel I am an Ambro fanboy, despite me not even commenting on this matter.

And which way did Pato fall?

That's right, the opposite direction to which he was being "pulled" in. If he went down naturally, he may have got it. But what he did was essentially a dive, so he was never going to get a penalty for it.

Doesn't matter. Pato was moving towards the ball, the defender prevented that by holding his shirt. Maybe Pato helped with a bit of acting but that's still a foul IMO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siDAvNhh9qk

That's my point though. As soon as you fake something, even if it is a foul, it makes the ref question it and therefore he can't give it. He doesn't make it look like a dive and we come away with 3 points.

If Pato was pulling away from the player while he was being held, then momentum would have him falling in the opposite direction of the way he's being pulled.

And even if it was a dive. There was a clear shirt tug (that was not even a tug, it was blatantly pulling him back by the shirt) and it should have been a foul. The refereeing was terrible. There were 3 clear wrong calls, the goal, a clear corner kick we should have been awarded and that foul on Pato which should have been a penalty

Maybe you ought to read the bolded bit again.

When we dominate it's nothing to do with him and when we don't it's his fault.

That is what I feel your opinion is. Does the above honestly sound like me praising him? No. It's what I think your opinion sems to be (basiclaly anything good we do is nothing to do with him, everything bad we do is because of him).

As for the penalty thing, I'm not continuing it. To me a foul and a dive cancel each other out and nothing should be awarded. Point being - Don't dive. It's pretty easy to not cheat, really.

There was another penalty not given for hands of a Fiorentina player.

To me that's defending Ambro for having 1 decent game out of 5 terrible ones... But anyway, I don't see the point, I'm biased against him, you're biased towards him and I can't see that changing anytime soon


Anywhere outside the box and that would have been a foul on Pato, no matter which way he fell


Yeah, but that wasn't as clear cut as the others

How is that defending Ambro? I never made a single comment regarding his performance. I made a generalisation about a DMs role based on what you said.

I suppose everyone else is biased towards Ambro during Fiorentina games then based on the fact that everyone else seems to think he had a good game.

I think most people are happy he didn't screw up. That doesn't make them biased towards him in the Fiorentina game It just shows how low expectations have fallen where Ambro is concerned

Let's just end this conversation, folks.