Dammit.

I dunno. Initially I thought so too, but on the replay the guy was holding his shirt but not pulling and Pato just threw himself on the floor. We'd be pissed if we had a penalty like that given against us.

I genuinely HATE iBra. Pato has already scored free kicks for us already....but noooo I'm Mr Ferarri driver who doesn't give a **** about anyone/anything else. I hope we sell his *** to Madrid.

And **** you Pato for not demanding it!!

Fiorentina players should kiss the ref hand, godfather style. They didn't deserve to take a point from this game.

We should have scored another goal anyway, but missed few great chances Frustrating...

FT 0-0 we deserved 3 pts luck plus boruc on top form.... anyone knows what emualson role is imo he does not fit in our system at all...

dissapointing result but we can't let it affect our form. we still played well so we must continue.

For some stupid reason, Allegri plays him behind the strikers, which imo is ridiculous. If he's going to play him play him on the left of midfield where his crossing and runs could be useful

Horrible second half. Robinho should have never been subbed. But beyond that, we looked half-arsed and demotivated. Luck wasn't on our side either. Two points lost.

He's playing the Emerson role, formerly known as the Brocchi role, formerly known as the Laursen role...where if Milan were outclassing their opponents Ancelotti would bring in one of these guys to even the odds

Well, he got fit and played a very good match


Laursen? He wasn't exactly...you got that wrong for sure.

All good runs have to come to an end I suppose. Regardless of their position, away to Fiorentina is not exactly an easy 3-pointer.

Ihated that guy & thought he was horrible....he played well for Villa (i think it was) though..but yeah there were worse like Helvev and Guglimienpietro

Yeah,definitely.Actually,I can't think of a player who played bad for us today.Luck wasn't on our side,and we got a disallowed goal too.Didn't like Seedorf in this position.Nocerino did great,while Aquilani faded in the end of the match.

Good grief.

Usually, but they are pretty weak this season and created almost nothing in this game.

The man's got a point. Though I don't agree about shipping him to Madrid, just yet, but really Ibra is not that good of a free kick taker. Neither is Pato in the sense that he hasn't taken many, and the only one I remember vividly was where Kaka was standing by his side and passed him the ball and he scored.

But really, this is what you will get with someone that has an attitude like Ibra. Let the kid take it, for a change!

The best free-kick tacker we have is Seedorf, and that says enough.

+1, or rather, +∞. At least with Seedorf we can say there is chance it'll go in, or hit the target. IMO he should be the one taking most of these spot kicks (free and corners), it's a pity he doesn't. Not too far from now, we had Pirlo, Kaka, Sheva, Rui, heck even Janks who could swirl them in. Now, there remains only the Dutchman.

We need badly a trequartista. Someone like Eriksen or Götze, who can speed up the game and provide that necessary quality up front.

Götze, yes, but we won't sign him cause he'll only leave for a enormous amount of cash.

Eriksen would be nice. I hope he turns out good, what I've seen impressed me so far, but...you really never can tell.


Of all the mentioned, Sheva was the only one who constantly made goals out of those situations (1-2 goals per season). Costa was lethal with Fiorentina but lost his touch at Milan with his free-kicks. Same happened with Pirlo in the last 2-3 seasons.
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I must say, I still expect more out of Aquilani. He simply fades and his concentration disappears near match end. That wasn't the first time this happened, and to paraphrase han, it sure cannot be blamed on his "adaptation time" anymore.

Let's just say he isn't "Champion" material, per se, and call it a day. I knew this before signing him, and the same goes for the chap that goes by the name of Montolivo. Good squad players to have, for rotation and in times of injuries, but they won't do anything for us when we need a hero. When you this fact, you don't expect more, like I do.

There's a reason why they are here at this point in time of their career. If they were champions, they wouldn't be.

Yes, and that's the reason why I'm sure we don't need both. We now need someone who could pull us out of a lethargy that we demonstrated in this match (second half). Montolivo just isn't that man, he's too similar (and even less good) then Aquilani.

True,it's apparent to everyone over here that we need an quality attacking midfielder.Our trio midfield partnership of Aquiliani-Van Bommel-Nocerino works very well,we just need someone to connect it all.

Agreed, but I think if we can snap him for free (or a million or so), I wouldn't mind the guy. He'll just provide cover without too much dip in quality. But we can't count on them to elevate us to the next level. One added advantage Monty has is that he can play where Aquilani does, or even as a decent enough pure DM just in front of the defense.

The only way I'll ever say no to him is if he is coming at the expense of a better player. Montolivo plus one is welcome, him and just him is not, if it means we get to skip on another guy. If we are to compete at a few different fronts from now on, it's better to be equipped. And Aquilani, Montolivo, Nocerino are decent, if unspectacular options.

But as said above, we badly need a quality trequartista - someone to pull us out of lethargy as you put it.

Agreed.



That's what I thought as I was watching the game. Montolivo is nothing special, he doesn't add up anything to the game. There's no difference between having him or Aquilani, even though I prefer the latter from the two of them. Hence a good trequartista is necessary for the leap in quality.

An important note is that Montolivo would come at a much lower price then Aquilani.

Aquaman is waaay better than that horribly hairstyled Montolivo. It's incredible how highly some players get overrated because of their respective groupies (Italian fans, Brazilian fans etc). I really don't even want to waste 1 Million euros on him when I sincerely believe we will soon have better in Merkel and Strasser at CM. Merkel looks to have better technique and Strasser for the physique, pace, strength etc.

With Strass, Merkel in and hopefully Prince moved to midfield and Aqua and Nocerino I'd say the middle of the park is pretty good. Perhaps an intelligent anchor to replace MVB and I'll give Flams another crack at it.

What we need is Allegri to get some balls respecting iBra....I think it's incredible that he hardly ever takes him off no matter how poorly he plays Could you imagine how we might have looked with Robinho and Pato running circles around the Viola defense?? I'm not dogmaticaly sayin that I have the solution but mixing it up from time to time could unearth discoveries that would help.

I, for one am convinced that Allegri's mouth is superglued to iBra's nuts. It's all well and good to depend on iBra when he is his usual dominant self but it's catastrophic when he is rubbish or he's asked to do something he is unable or unwilling to do....Take for instance the free kicks. The ONLY person iBra can't bully off the chance is Clarence and even still he takes them when Seedorf is on the pitch. I'm willing to bet that Pato, who is CLEARLY the best shooter on our team and has actufuckingally scored fk's for us before - is the better fk taker.

But Pato with his slightly pu$$y mentality and iBra with his inflated ego represent two personalities that need to be managed by the goodlooking n00b that is $h!tlegri. His man management, however is distinctively poor. His solution when he can't understand how best to implement a player's talents is to roundly ignore him

It happened to Taiwo, Pirlo, if Pato didn't actually score so much it would happen to him and by far the worst case was the handling of Ronaldinho. The interesting thing is that now, with Seedorf's increasing physical decline, we so desperately need a CAM or at least a fair amount of midfield creativity and there now happens to be precious little...we would have STILL had Ronaldinho aaarrhhgghh it's still pissing me off even after all these months!!!

The thing is I'm not saying that every player marginalized by Allegri was some sort of Golden Ball winner....clearly they all had faults...I've ranted ad nauseum about Pirlo's faults but I could have seen even him helping us out...then there's Taiwo's seeming incompatibility with Serie A...but really how can the guy learn the league if he can't play??

But don't the players he uses at present have their large gaping holes (no homo) as well. Robinho's finishing, iBra's temperamental behaviour, Prince's tactical indiscipline, Abbiati's lack of concentration etc etc.

Then there's Pato's indifferent form...and again I ask how can Pato grow into THE premier striker we want him to be without the regular playing time and the faith of the coach. Now I know some will point to his injuries and his own defienencies and apparent weaknesses in mentality and these are indeed valid. HOWEVER the fact remains that there is a significant Allegri contributing factor into Pato's regression. Truth be told, Abate aside I can't mention one player from the previous manager's squad who has improved under Allegri.

^Ibra was MOM. He looked on form and was everywhere distributing high quality balls. Me thinks you ought to start considering your attitude towards him as nothing more but childish arrogance.

MY ARROGANCE??? Right I'm the guy that refers to himself in the third person
I'm the guy that thinks he can do it all when CLEARLY there he can't and there are other options. Milan's fate shouldn't live and die along with iBra's form. Also yes he played well in the first half but we don't have anything to show for it do we?? He also faded when Pato came on...i.e. when we needed him most.

We are Milan and we're greater than any one player. I'm thoroughly disgusted with the institutionalized iBra dicksucking of late.. Allegri's perhaps the most guilty talking about iBra being better than CR and Messi....Maxi Lopez talking about coming to Milan to help iBra win a CL...I bra being a douche at Barca and fans worshiping his idiotic behaviour. Give me a break

I don't know who has the ability or clout to make the move but can some one please ban drucurl? I'm tired of seeing his moronic, childish, and homophobic posts. If he wants to act this way he is more than welcome to do so on his own. I just don't want this forum subjected to it. In a community that is, for the most part, respectful his posts are a black mark that brings down the quality of discourse.

No, I actually think Dru has a point. Allegri should have taken him off, but that won't happen ever, because he's afraid Ibra could harm him. We all know that.

But Pato's injuries are his biggest drawback. Max can not play him if he's injured and when he does get a chance he's often poor.

So none of our players have improved, yet we won the league in Allegri's first season and I would say we're probably favourites to repeat.

And so what if Pato is not improving like we would want to if the team is improving and winning as a whole? Like you say, no 1 player is bigger than Milan. Either Pato improves under the current system or he gets sold.


This makes no sense at all.

So because Ibra is our main match-winner and we aren't as good without him it's somehow his fault? No, it's the opposite. When Ibra doesn't play or on the rare occasion he has a bad game it's up to others to step up. Problem is that it doesn't happen. Look at our start with Ibra being injured - terrible. Other players need to step up and score the goals.

And as for our 'Ibra **** sucking', I find it pretty funny you seem to be offended by all the praise for the man who is easily our best player, whilst your busy praising players for their form whilst they aren't even playing for Milan (Strasser, mainly).

As for Ibra coming off, it will rarely happen because he's a match winner. Would you see Barca bringing off Messi when they need a goal because he's had a bad game? Or Madrid doing the same with Ronaldo? No, it's madness. Ibra isn't the level of these 2, but he is still our match winner.

He basically had nothing to do for the majority of the game since we were basically passing the ball around them. While when Fiorentina started to put pressure on us and run, Ambro couldn't cope with it. He just doesn't cover the defence as well as he should or as much as is expected from a player playing in that position. Had Fiorentina had anyone decent in those areas, someone other then Gila, Lazzarri and co, Ambro would have gotten slaughtered. As I said, and still continue to say, he has no business starting Serie A games, not anymore. And this game proves nothing since we were mostly on top of them for 75% of the game, yet Ambro was no where to be found when we were really under some decent pressure.


Yeah, Aqui really needs to get his concentration levels in check, the only game so far where I've seen him give his all for the full 90 minutes, where he was on top of everything throughout the entire game was against Roma. In every other game, he's had moments where he's dropped off completely.

Having said that, his contribution so far is not to be laughed at. He's assisted a lot of goals, as well as contributing a lot to our buildup.

In regards to the talk of Monto, speaking as someone that wanted him at Milan, and still do even after this game. I never said that Monto would take us to the next level, but he wil improve out central midfield area a lot. If we are going to take a step into that next level, a top class attacking mid will need to be brought in. I don't get why people are confusing the two. Imo we need both to be competitive. We need depth in midfield, and a top class AM to link that midfield to the atack.

As for Monto's performance, don't forget that he was playing against his future team as well. That has to weigh on his mind on some level, even if he continues to insist that it does not

Unbelievable. You simply cannot admit he had a good match and intervened once or twice with important tackles or deflections, but invent the "if Fiorentina had Rui Costa and Laudrup"...


Agreed.


Mostly professionals who play against their future team give their best to impress everyone and convince it was/will be the right decision.

Why should I really, since he usually offsets something great that he does with something terrible?

For example, 1 event I clearly remember from the game was him winning the ball in a really good position (that's the something great ) and then making an incredibly bad shot that got closer to the corner flag instead of passing it to Robinho/Zlatan/Seedorf (that's the something terrible )

And you can't have an excuse for when Fiorentina started putting pressure on us. Ambro simply crumbled when he got hurried off the ball and Fiorentina got more physical

That's the usual yes, but it can work against you as well because people are looking at how you'll play against them, whether you can pull off a good game or a terrible one and be judged negatively either way.

Naah, I won't mention Ambrosini again. You simply fail to be objective on that matter. I admit he played very poor in those prior matches, but yesterday he made a good performance.

P.S. Funny you mention Ambrosini failing to shoot straight, while the really terrible shooter proved to be Aquilani, at least for yesterday.

Aqui made 2 terrible shots, but he's usually pretty spot on when he smacks them, plus he was in a good position to take the shots on at the time. Ambro had no business trying to shoot from that position, add to that his terrible shooting ability.

I've been objective about Ambro in the past when he was a marginally good player in his younger days, now though, I can't even force myself to try and say that he had a good game, when he clearly did nothing special in a game where a DM wasn't really that influential due to how we controlled the game, and to add to that, when push came to shove and we were put under the slightest amount of pressure, Ambro caved. So how can I be objectiv and praise that kind of performance as if he controlled the entire midfield against a top side? Because that's what you're making it seem like

Why should have Allegri taken him off when he was clearly the best man yesterday? Besides, as Kurt said, coaches rarely sub their best players in moments of difficulty, even if they are having a bad game. I don't recall Ancelotti subbing Kaká or Sheva in such circumstances.



It's true han, your bias against Ambrosini is exaggerated. I've always been with you in that he's very poor these days and should retire, but you must be objective when the case requires it. Ambro had a good game last night, and that's about it.

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That's a really poor arguement and shows your bias. When we dominate it's nothing to do with him and when we don't it's his fault. When in reality teams generally dominate when they can't keep posession or advance further down the field (the role the DM has against the opposition).

DP.

Yep, we all agreed to invent Ambro's good performance, and you are the only one who sought through our charade.

Barça thread, anyone? It looks like Allegri might choose Seedorf over Aquilani for this game. Does Clarence still have what it takes to outperform the Barça midfield?

i think he does....he played really well in the away game

Some might say...

I gave Ambro credit where credit was due when he had that amazing season. I might not be a fan, but I know when he deserves credit for playing great, which is what he did that season. Yesterday was an ok performance, did I say anywhere that his overall performance was bad? No, just that his bad moments tend to offset the good he does. Still, it was a decent game on his part. Having said that, do I want him anywhere near the starting line-up just because of a decent performance against a toothless Fiorentina? Hell no!


Nope, just think that you guys are trying to make it seem like it's more then it really was. (mostly you and kurt). X-off only commented because I criticised Ambro when he didn't play a bad game, which is fair, but again, I never said that his general performance was terrible, just that he does idiotic stuff to ruin it in my eyes and that this game against this Fiorentina simply does not change my mind about him


I think I'd personally go with Seedorf as well. Not that I don't think Aqui is good enough, but as we mentioned above, his concentration levels need to improve, plus Seedorf has the experiance and cool head for this type of game, something I feel Aquilani does not have

Han please give up, everyone here disagree with you, yet you're still justifying your own bias. Everyone partially is, and can be biased.


At this point, both have pretty obvious flaws. I'd pick Seedorf.

I don't think I'd need to justify it much more if Ambro were to start next Wednesday against Barca for example. He'd prove me right all on his own

And again, it's mostly you and kurt that are making it seem like it was a 5 star performance. Everyone else just said that he was decent or good. I didn't even bring up the entire thing because I didn't want to start a debate over me nit-picking all of the flaws in his performance since I would be accused of being biased. But since you started the comment and directed it at me, then I had no choice but to comply to your wish and criticise (even the little things) that Ambro did wrong. So in reality, I'm not justifying anything, just doing what you subconciously wanted me to do all along

Spicy! I thought he did, well, not bad, for the loss of a better combination of words. I did not notice him much for the majority of the match, and turth be told, that's a bit of a good thing these days. Meaning, he did his work without much fuss. Surely, in recent times, his performance is miles better than what Gattuso puts in.

It was the complete opposite a few years back. So yeah now, when it comes to either, I'd choose Ambrosini any day.