FT What a disgrace!!


X-off bring back the anti-Allegri sign!!

I can't stand this jerk-off anymore. He's turned us into an ugly, ugly team.

If only Mr X was a real person...

I am off its Monday tomorrow what a bad end to the week

Already working on it.

Did we even take a shot?

What was our gameplan today?

One. The Boateng shot.

Yes, 1

Which was mostly a cross that turned into a shot...

Jog around

+1 as one of his loyalist defenders, i think he needs to change things or leave.

I'd like spaletti next TBH, we will probably end up with Dellio rossi or Guidolin...

That came closer to the corner flag then buffon's gloves...

hmm lets make a list of all allegri fck ups

*plays bonera, then when nesta gets hurt switches him to the centre LOL

*a team severely weak at fullback, dowsnt even call up taiwo when he should probably be starting

*brings on antonini

*plays seedorf for another 90 min when hes the least fit player on the team. he can barely run after 30 minutes and did nothing but give away the ball all game long.

*cassano was our only creative spark and he was starting to carv chances and he subs him with urby

*with a midfield as slow and innefective as ours he leaves aquilani on the bench and doesnt bring him on when he should have been the first sub.

We don't change coach in the middle of the season. So we'll need to suffer through it for the entire season.

Anyway, I'm off. What a way to begin the week, just like the Napoli game. They really should schedule these games for Saturdays, at least I'll have time to get over it before the week begins

Aqui and Taiwo are clearly on Allegri's black list, just like Sokratis, Dinho and Pirlo were. It's turned into a common trend with him.

If he doesn't like a player he gives him a chance, waites for him to mess up once then doesn't give him an other opportunity, while other players can clearly do no wrong for him. I'm just so sick of him and his closed minded ways it's not even funny anymore.

Filippo's predictions of him being another Zaccehroni are turning out to be right

F*CK OFF ALLEGRI!!!

Phase two or how to turn a big club into a small team of muscles and blood

I've seen this happen to Milan once, some 15 (bit less) years ago, but today it is happening with even more vehemence.

1) Milan's strategy and midfield are non-existent. Like the time when we relied on Bierhoff, a good cross and squeezed out the last drop of creativity out of Boban and Leonardo, we are now doing the same. We field Nocerino and van Bommel, the displace Boateng so his negative sides end up being even more amplified, while our only creative source is a 35 year old Seedorf, who's been played match after match, without rest, without even being subbed off. At least Zaccheroni had the decency to rotate with Boban and Leo and rationally use them. There is no connection with the attack, there is no link-up. Not so long ago Milan had not 1 or 2, but 3 sources for creation. But no, nowadays it's only blood and sweat - bringing us to tears.

2) Allegri is absolutely incapable of learning. The exact same thing happened to Zaccheroni - stubbornly insisting on Helveg making the runs while Boban being played displaced and Albertini wrongly pushed to often to cover sides. But Allegri goes beyond. Good coaches can be stubborn - Carletto and Capello for examples. But they got plans, that usually work or worked, and don't won't the world coming into their way. Allegri on the other hand makes stubborn decisions without any plan. How many times did we see Milan start with the wrong mindset? How many times did he start with a cautious, yet wrongly played formation? How many times did he solve the build-up problem? How many times did he make the right subs and showed he has a feeling for the game, the "strategy"? How many times did his decisions change the course of the game for better? All these answers, and many more go directly against the coach.

3) In the end, the stupid small-club mentality reached Milan. I've seen Maldini and Billy doing stuff you wouldn't believe they did under Zaccheroni. Now I'm seeing the same with Nesta, even Thiago. Boateng's and Ibra's negative sides are only being amplified. We're taking corner kicks with idiotic tricks, Cassano is falling down on every occasion, we're stealing time whenever we can, Ibra and Boateng ruthlessly fouling around.

4) Stats: 5 matches, 8 goals conceded - 4 scored. The injury crisis speaks why we scored so little, yet, there is no justification for Milan's 8 conceded goals + the 2 in the CL and 1 in the Supercup. Makes 8 matches and 11 goals in total. Milan has 5 points out of 5 matches, we're limping while the opposition makes the distance. The way we play - we're one of the top fouling teams in Europe - makes me feel very sad.

Cesare Maldini said that Ambrosini wasn't even fit for this game,he didn't continue the whole training because he felt some pain.

Great post Fillipo.

Most probably we will stick with him for at least a month or two more. Then there could be a short-term solution: Tassotti, even maybe one of the team players like Ambro.

I think Rijkaard is next in line to be honest. Don't like him a bit, but knowing G&B, they'll go after Allegri for a coach with pedigree and Milan history. Carletto's second term? Why not, hell Sacchi and Capello got theirs. He could be fresh. Or at least as a short-term coach.

But that's only if and if and if....

27 days left until our next tough game ... against Roma ...

I dont know, but i think things ll change from now on as we can start racking up the pts against small teams like parma,lecce and palermo(at home),

tonight was just lamb to the slaughter really, the players looked half assed

Make that a horrible end and beginning.

Blessed words, Fillipo. You couldn't have summarized our situation any better. It's so sad that our management don't see it, though. I have no doubt in my mind that Galliani will have blind faith in Allegri regardless of his screw ups. He's in love with him after all, remember?

Top post Fillipo. You shed a light on the situation that puts it all into perspective. Can someone forward this to the Milan HQ?

Pure. Crap.

These are the right words to describe Milan tonight.

Just a few thoughts:

Abbiati has been awful this season. it's time Amelia got a chance.

Silva, hats off to you Sir! you deserve to play in the best team in the world, whatever it is.

Seedorf is back to being the Turtle again. not entirely his fault. I'd forgotten how painful it is to watch this Seedorf...

Where the **** is Robinho?! we badly miss someone like him. **** you MilanLab for being completely useless!!

2 mistakes, 2 goals conceded. not saying Allegri didn't **** it up, but come on, we could have at least drawn. undeservedly but still.

Meh.

I'm gonna reserve my judgments for now. I'd like to see how we will do once we get our injured players back and everyone in good shape. after the NT break.


What do you mean by this sentence? I don't get it

Allegri is definitely to blame for the mistakes. But the tiredness of this depleated squad also factored in.

Since the first 30 mins, I saw this game going against Milan. The lads were too tired, you could see the body cant do what the mind tells it. Van Bommel and Seedorf were not their usual selves .. That coupled with Juve's 4-1-4-1 pressuring our back line wide and narrow, while containing Milan's attempt to counter more than I can remember. Ibra couldnt do it himself.

Allegri should have gone all out attack with Inzaghi, Ibra and Cassano .. Rest Seedorf, play Aquilani (sub: KPB) ... That might have added something, instead of just going on the pitch with the same skeleton that has been playing consequent games since the season started.


On a side note, this game is worth 3 points, just as the one against Siena. And Milan is 6 points behind .. We go into a break now. Allegri has time to get the team back on track.

One last thing on Allegri, didn't he say KPB couldnt play a whole match? And what's his problem with Inzaghi?? ... And I really wouldnt expect much from Aquilani, but what's Allegri's problem really?? Urby? The kid who set up zebra's 2nd

Playing Bonera and Seedorf really killed our chances of success for tonight. We all know Zambrotta barely pushes forward anymore (and when he does, he usually screws up), but having someone like Bonera as well meant absolutely no game on the wings. Then you put Seedorf, someone who's been playing 90 minutes every three days, whilst a fresh and motivated Aquilani warms the bench for the entire game. What exactly was Allegri thinking? Didn't he see we were powerless in the first half? Why didn't he make some changes at half-time? Why be so stubborn on your choices when even a fool can see they are not working, at all. I want to fill this guy with punches right now, seriously!

now you've bought that to my attention, Give him a punch for me too

Some points to make

*Silva was our MotM, amazing how on top of everything he is.

*Seedorf... You quite simply are the lamest duck, no movement, back passes, losing the ball. Clearly when you went to the media last year and demanded playtime and a new contract after you had a hand in doing nothing after been given a chance by allegri...you probably should of just retired and stfu...

* Nocerino and MVB2 had god games, it doesn't look as such though, as when they cut out passes and won the ball, no one was open (or getting open) to receive a pass.

*Our closing midfield 3 had a combined age of >100

*Bonnera should spend about as much time playing CB for AC Milan then Ibrahimovic or even I should. After actually having a solid defensive game where he was steady and alert, he was swapped by allegri and ended up directly costing us the first goal.

*I liked the antonini change, from the opening lineup, i thought an Antonini for Bonnera would have made sense but truth be told, without nesta or mexes, we will struggle against teams like Juve.

*Cassano has done nothing but work hard since game 1. Except the Barca game, he has been playing very well at finding space and desperately adding some creativity to our attack.

*the players are frustrated we saw alot of yelling and confusion in the setups, Allegri has a hand in this.

*We need pato/robi back so that someone suited can go trequartista (cassano?)

*I like how we got Aquilani to deal with the loss of a player the coach never wanted.... we really should have gotten Naingollan, or at least a Mid that suits the formation. I'm sure the goal wasn't to have Mr. X sit on the bench all this time....

*I would really like for our next coach to be a coach who gets the most out of his squad like Spaletti or, who knows, Wenger? While i agree with Fillipo, B&G won't fire Max over 5 -8 games, especially as he is the only present Serie A coach to have won the schudetto, but i do expect him to go next year if he doesn't clean up his mess.

*If nothing else, we can be sure to have an active Winter mercato if this keeps up...

Meaning that the small-club behavior and mentality isn't only passing to players who are violent by nature, like Ibra, or players who are not so well-established. Maldini and Billy acted like they weren't themselves - the same I saw with Nesta against Napoli - aggression, desperation, frustration.

@R7 - indeed - what is Allegri's problem with Inzaghi? Why is he torturing him? I mean, he let Ambro enter the game unprepared and unfit, let Seedorf play to exhaustion all 90, let Boateng - not fully recovered - play till Prince decided to end his match. Basically he did worse cr@p then Leonardo did in that amateurish match against Inter with Rino. What a joke this man is...


That's what I'm talking about. Nevermind Seedorf's mistakes, did you see Boateng yelling at our captain? That's the mentality our team is getting infected with.

Well said

Ten Questions for $h!tlegri:

No Yepes?
No Taiwo?
Not playing Pippo...a guy MADE for these kinds of game?
Once again over exerting iBra?
No ELS92?
WTF was Ambro supposed to do?
Fruby for Cassano?
Not man marking Pirlo?
Bonera making the squad but no Yepes?
NO FUCKING CLUE IN ATTACK?

The irony of this is the fact that Seedorf mistakingly failed to hit an open Boat with a 12 yard cross. When he walks back completely careless, i find that more infuriating then a passionate player voicing his displeasure on the pitch. I'm sorry i will never buy stock into Ambro, Seedorf or Rino they are, by great lengths the worst players and between them you have the 3 lazy/useless overpaid captains... it's sad really...To think we went from Maldini to these overly inflated fossils.

3. We struggled to get into their box....we didn't need a poacher we needed Robbi or Pato WAY MORE then we needed pippo in this
4. ... So for the record, you would not have started Ibra agaisnt Juve?
6. Complain and yell at people while making everything look 5x harder then it is
9. Bonnera was never planned to go in the middle, and he made for a really good defensive RB IMHO
10. according to you he should not have played Ibra, so I ask you, how much more effervescent could our attack of been wih, say... Pippo and cassano up front?

I agree he needs to get his act together but the root of the problem is how foolishly un-flexible he is, and that he has done little with the depth of the team after most starters went down. I wish he was more experimental and i wish he signed players fit for his setup so we wouldn't be looking at aquilani on the bench...

I'm always a little biased towards coaches as i feel there are SOOOOOOOOOO many factors the fans/medias don't know play a part in a season.

Think what you want, I'll say only this: in comparison to Maldini, no one stands a chance. Only Franco comes close.

allegri has got to go. he's a pure imbecile. i hope the fans start protesting or something.

I personally would like to have Nesta try it on. Hasn't he already worn it sparingly?

I'll never understand the Emanuelson for Cassano change. Not only Emanuelson offers nothing to our game, but Allegri subbed the only capable player of creating something out of nothing. Because that's what we were tonight, a huge NOTHING!

But beyond that, I've noticed two correlated flaws within our system that could really, really hurt us badly. First, we are too vulnerable to counterattacks. If we try to keep the ball and dictate the game, every time we're countered, we're caught completely off-guard. Think of Lazio, Napoli, Udinese and Plzen. How many times did luck save our butts in those games? We lose the ball and we are absolutely clueless at stopping the opponent. Lazio and Napoli punished us hard, whilst Udinese and Plzen were simply unlucky. It's a very hard fact to swallow that our glorious defending of last season seems to have vanished into thin air and we're back to square one again.

Second, and most importantly, if we're pressured in midfield, we completely lose it. That's all it takes to pull us down on our knees. Think of Barcelona and Juventus. These teams put great pressure on our midfielders when we had the ball. Result? We can't make more than two passes in a row. Moreover, we don't press them back when they have the ball. We simply get struck in our own half, absolutely clueless of how to counter-react. Why? Because we have no plan! We play by the individuals. We're not a collective. Our game is not fluid. Our forwards are completely isolated from the rest of the team. Our midfield is our weakest point. No quality whatsoever! Too many overaged players and no champions to lead the way. There's no logic to our playing style anymore.

And all of this is the fault of no-one other but Allegri. That's right! He's been our coach for more than a year now, and look what we have to deal with. Forget about last season's scudetto. It was nothing but a strike of luck. Inter had their worst season since Calciopoli. Juventus were completely absent. Roma were struggling with their ownership problems. Only Napoli posed a somewhat credible threat, but even they couldn't manage to keep up in the long run. It was an open door and Allegri simply waltzed into it. After all, we all agreed that our win last season was not due to Allegri, but despite Allegri!

excellent post

Well I've been saying this ever since we got him but you know geniuses aren't always appreciated in their time and all

The thing is that it's not that he's a BAD coach but I fear that he's just a limited coach. He strikes me as the type of coach that would do well for average mid table teams to keep them always in the hunt. The problem is that his mentality doesn't often coincide with Milan's ambitions. The majority of his moves can be seen as "playing it safe" instead of going for glory...and BIG teams generally always go for the win.

Bringing on Ambro at the death was sending a signal to Juve that we're actually happy with a goal less draw and they smelled blood. Not man-marking Pirlo was tactically idiotic and in keeping with his stubborn character. He didn't rate Pirlo so to him Pirlo must be completely worthless. He did the same with the league's leading assist maker Ronaldinho.

A guy like Ancelotti/Capello/Ferguson would have understood what players like that offer even if they didn't want them in their squad. For instance, Capello booted out Ronaldo from Real but also conceded that he was the most talented striker he had ever seen.

I'm not being dogmatic about the things stated in this post. It's just some ideas that I'm throwing out but again..they would explain why he likes the like of Prince and how he could conceivably replace a sloth like Cassano with a "willing o run all game" Urby.

Super post

I agree here. This is right.

You don't really end up in Serie A by being a bad coach. But sometimes you're not good enough for the topmost levels.

Allegri won the scudetto coz of the team and the shrewd transfers. His lack of any sort of tactical flexibility is scary. He cannot setup his team to do anything other than hustle.

I knew this would happen. You can tell a coach belongs when you see him. Milan is a team that values creativity and technical flair. It is in our DNA. And you cannot get in coaches, who do not have the same mentality. Hustle, muscle and toil are something small teams do. You cannot play like that and expect to dominate.

It's true Capello was a far more defensively-disciplined coach, but even he knows how to make creativity work.

Carlo's free...but we all know second comings don't work in this club...so I'm not for it.

Crap..I don't know what to do now. Does Allegri even have any idea to make this team work without Seedorf and Ibra?

I go so far as to say this: If this team does not have Ibra, Seedorf, Nesta and Silva: Max Allegri will have Milan fighting for relegation.



Change your mentality or change your club. Thanks for the scudetto.

Think we'll do well to be in the CL next season at this rate. 3rd is our ceiling. Jive and Napoli showed they're somewhat comfortably better than us.

Great post Fillipo

+1.

+1.

I wanted to punch the screen when Seedorf gave that I-don't-five-a-**** look. yes you can forgive him for a crappy game because he's old and overused, but this behavior from someone with the effing armband cannot be justified.

I agree with most of Fillipo's post, but one thing I can't agree with at all. Allegri has no plan b, I won't argue with that, but neither did Carlo. Carlo mostly got away with it because he had a number of truly World class players at his disposal, Max really hasn't.

What can he do? We only have players who can fit into a narrow system and that limits him, especially given the ability of our players. The management needs to bring in players to change the system that's been in place at the club for a long time now. Top teams play with wingers as it creates more space and allows ability to show. Currently we're too narrow and it's 'easy' to defend against. There's little he can do until the club changes things. Winning the title last year was a miracle.

Wait a minute....

Firstly, both have world class players at their disposal. The fact that Milan lacks creative players with class goes on the management - but - Allegri as well. Carletto never participated in the transfers, he asked for a midfielder for example and got Emerson. Allegri on the other hand has more influence. He's consciously getting rid of players who are creative and replacing them with muscles and hard workers. I don't think he realizes we lack 1 or 2 world class creative players. And even if he had them, I still wouldn't be sure if he'd use them right.

As for the stubbornness and unflexibility - most great coaches are, I've seen Mourinho troubling to implement a plan B. Thing is, it wasn't only luck and world class players which allowed Carlo to get away - this is pretty unfair to say - Carlo was a planner, he had every little detail planned, trap set, he felt the teams rhythm. Only rarely he lost that feel. While Allegri comes out with no plan, and no feel for the game, he waits for his subs as usual, he takes in Ambrosini (wtf?)...


To be honest, I don't think it's necessary to change the system. Just change the coach, we can find a man who can do it much better, I'm sure.

Nah..it's not the team.

If you look at it kurt...we've regressed. The same team that quite ably kept out most contenders last season in defence is F_ing up big.

We can't create chances without Ibra..nothing doing.

Allegri's gotten a lot of support that Carlo didn't. I will disagree with you if you say otherwise. This is exactly the kind of team Max wanted and it's in his image...but he needs to wake up and see the massive limitations his footballing philosophy has. And he needs to plug it ASAP.

Are you serious? Well if you actually believe that then I'm not sure what to say anyway.

You say it best...when you say nothing at all....



I'm not saying the management set out to sabotage Carlo. But were in a financial crunch...Silvio as PM wouldn't splash the cash during recession...he wasn't getting enough to refresh the team. I don't really think he wanted Ronaldinho either.. etc etc.

He was not without faults was Carlo. He probably couldn't galvanise the team or create an us vs. them mentality. He's a bit chilled that way. Couldn't kick players out of lethargy. Was a bit too pally with them maybe.

He was never a gung-ho coach...most of his tactical flexibility was in-match...not really by bringing on subs. But blow-by-blow I rate Max to be a couple of steps down from Varlo.