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Fillipo Simone
I'll be frank now: I think Italy hasen't had such a bad generation of players for a long time, and the Serie A coaches nowdays are even worse. Allegri may have won that award...but I don't think any of the current Serie A coaches has it in him tu pull off some important thing for his club. 10-15 years ago we had Trapattoni, Lippi, Ancelotti, Eriksson and Capello plus coaches like Scala, Zaccheroni or Terim all. Nowdays, it's who?

Two of the last three Italian NT coaches were appointed without ever winning any important trophy, not the UEFA Cup, not the domestic league, cup or supercup, nothing. That I think means much.
Linkman
+1 Dracoris and Han smile.gif
vnata001
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 21 2010, 05:39 PM) *
I'll be frank now: I think Italy hasen't had such a bad generation of players for a long time, and the Serie A coaches nowdays are even worse. Allegri may have won that award...but I don't think any of the current Serie A coaches has it in him tu pull off some important thing for his club. 10-15 years ago we had Trapattoni, Lippi, Ancelotti, Eriksson and Capello plus coaches like Scala, Zaccheroni or Terim all. Nowdays, it's who?

Two of the last three Italian NT coaches were appointed without ever winning any important trophy, not the UEFA Cup, not the domestic league, cup or supercup, nothing. That I think means much.


+1.
Darunia
Flamini needs a start.. with Ambro out, and with Rino being the Rino he now is, it's a travesty he hasn't gotten a chance to play. I hope Allegri realizes this (-Seedorf -Rino +Boateng +Flamini)
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 21 2010, 06:39 PM) *
I'll be frank now: I think Italy hasen't had such a bad generation of players for a long time, and the Serie A coaches nowdays are even worse. Allegri may have won that award...but I don't think any of the current Serie A coaches has it in him tu pull off some important thing for his club. 10-15 years ago we had Trapattoni, Lippi, Ancelotti, Eriksson and Capello plus coaches like Scala, Zaccheroni or Terim all. Nowdays, it's who?

Two of the last three Italian NT coaches were appointed without ever winning any important trophy, not the UEFA Cup, not the domestic league, cup or supercup, nothing. That I think means much.

Good points raised.

The problem is with how coaches now adays act.


Ancelotti and co. grew up in a generation where planning everything to the last dot was law. Coaches built practices like they built houses. Everything had a blue print and if things went wrong; your blue print wasn't developed carefully enough or you didn't account for things like injuries etc in your plans.


Now adays coaches act more and more on instinct and i'm no different. You'll see it soon in the trend of new coaches coming up. Instead of having the blue prints the majority would rather use instinct to guide a squad foreward during the season.


Instead of taking notes after a game and analyziing where your game needs to change; you'll start seeing more emortional responses like "they feel this and this need to change"


Its a problem and UEFA is doing a piss poor job of addressing it. The reason being is because the liscences, which were so hard to achieve before have become much easier.


Having a UEFA PRO 10-15 years ago meant you were something phenomenal. Now its a requirement to coach at the top leagues so alot of people have it.


UEFA A has become so easy to get its almost attend the course and pass. On average 90% of those who attend the course pass.



So you see how problems arise when you don't have a good enough filter system to filter the bad from the good.


Furthermore, the people who run UEFA are too stubborn to change the way they educate coaches so most of them don't even use what they learn.


1) Coaches are not supposed to use stop watch( go around neck) or whistles during any session. How many top level coaches do you see have that?

2) Coaches are supposed watch opponents, take notes during games and let the squad play. How many do you see out there with a notebook; furthemore how many do you see actually observe the game and analyze it? Most stand there shouting.




etc etc; i can sit here and make points all day till jack runs out of rum.

So instead what UEFA should be doing is finding ways of allowing the new trends of coaching into their educational system and adapting it. But no we have a bunch of stuck up, arrogant ex-managers who work at the FA's and think they have the ideal football and people should learn from them.



But the bottom line of why we have poor coaches is because the system is flawed. I am taking these courses and I will tell you already that half the sh*t i'm learning I will not use once. Why? Because its the year 2010 people work/think/communicate differently.

What worked 20/10/5 years ago may no longer work today.



PS: There is a reason why mourinho is successful; his methods are unique. He is what I would call the first successful manager who doesn't run his own practice sessions. That says something about him.
Jack Sparrow
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Oct 22 2010, 02:44 PM) *
etc etc; i can sit here and make points all day till jack runs out of rum.


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You haven't seen my stash have you??
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 22 2010, 02:59 AM) *
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You haven't seen my stash have you??

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Jack Sparrow
I have more bottles of rum than Milanfan has server space. smoke.gif
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 22 2010, 03:35 AM) *
I have more bottles of rum than Milanfan has server space. smoke.gif

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no way!!! that can't be possible!!! With all the spam I do on the daily that must mean... your stack must be huge!!!!!!!!!
Jack Sparrow
HUGE! Like King frickin Kong huge! wink.gif
samira
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 21 2010, 07:15 PM) *
Agreed Dracoris

Also if Allegri wants to explore an option without Seedorf and Dinho, I would really like to see this. Pirlo will get free reign in midfield, while Robinho can drift back in his favourite position while Pato and Ibra can drift closer to goal, with Ibra acting as the target an Pato can play off of.

I don't want to see Pato stuck on that wing though



LIKEY ! wink.gif
But, Thiago Silva is worried about his injured and Papastathopoulos or Yepes is going to replace him and Bonera didn't such a good job against Real Madrid..
han2503
QUOTE (samira @ Oct 22 2010, 02:15 PM) *
LIKEY ! wink.gif
But, Thiago Silva is worried about his injured and Papastathopoulos or Yepes is going to replace him and Bonera didn't such a good job against Real Madrid..

We'll see, obviously Allegri thinks Bonera is the best option for some reason rolleyes.gif
Suhail 3
Id like to see Papa start this one alongside nesta
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 21 2010, 12:08 PM) *
Once more: we should now give a chance to Boateng and Flamini, but as I don't think they'll shine and convince us we have a permanent substitution for our former star players, we will be forced to bring in new blood.


Flamini is still a question mark, but Boateng has proven in a very short term he is indeed a big club quality player. I'm pretty sure if Mourinho was our coach at the moment, Boateng would have started every single game.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 21 2010, 08:15 PM) *
Agreed Dracoris

Also if Allegri wants to explore an option without Seedorf and Dinho, I would really like to see this. Pirlo will get free reign in midfield, while Robinho can drift back in his favourite position while Pato and Ibra can drift closer to goal, with Ibra acting as the target an Pato can play off of.

I don't want to see Pato stuck on that wing though



I don't think Pirlo playing so high is a good idea. He lacks pace, which is essential for the regista in the 4-2-3-1 line-up. I'd keep him in his original position, and use Boateng as the offensive midfielder.

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 21 2010, 01:54 PM) *
K. This will do for a start. Now sit around and try making a formation that will suit all these players to a T. A single stable formation that will also ensure player inclusions and that everyone gets adequate playing time. The new Berlusconi boys will also have to get enough time to play. They must also look good when doing so.


Your wish, my command.



This is by far the best line-up we can afford. It has speed, quality, physical strength and experience. Pato wouldn't be relegated on the wing, we'd be playing with three forwards whilst still being covered in midfield. Boateng would act as the offensive midfielder whilst we're attacking, and Robinho would act as the fourth midfielder whilst defending. Flamini will be Pirlo's "water-carrier" whilst Andrea himself organizes the game from the back-line. Ibrahimovic and Pato will be interchanging positions, with Ibra acting as a sort of assistman (remember Chievo) and Pato being the marksman. Perfect.
Bluesummers
Good formations and agree with em xoff. Whats funny though is I said a month ago Ibra should play in that position and people said i was crazy; now it seems we all agree on it laugh.gif
X-Offender
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Oct 23 2010, 01:40 AM) *
Good formations and agree with em xoff. Whats funny though is I said a month ago Ibra should play in that position and people said i was crazy; now it seems we all agree on it laugh.gif


Well, without a proper trequartista, we need him to play a little behind to furnish assists for Pato.
Fillipo Simone
Who's to replace Zambrotta? Abate or Bonera?
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 23 2010, 01:52 PM) *
Who's to replace Zambrotta? Abate or Bonera?


I'd say Abate, since Bonera will be probably replacing T. Silva. Personally, I'd go like this: Bonera-Nesta-Sokratis-Antonini.
William405
Is Montelongo a right back?Why not try him out,can't be worse than Abate if that's is his natural position course.
Fillipo Simone
I agree. But somehow, we don't use the uru-guys we bring in. Look at Viudez, Cardacio, P. Garcia,..
X-Offender
Who's P. Garcia? unsure.gif
Fillipo Simone
Pablo Garcia.

"Played" for Milan in the 2000/01 period, then moved to Real Madrid.
X-Offender
Oh, I know him. I had no idea he played for us.
Zed.D
Why is this game being played on Monday?!
William405
Napoli had a match on Thursday,maybe that's why,I guess.
Zed.D
QUOTE (William405 @ Oct 24 2010, 12:21 AM) *
Napoli had a match on Thursday,maybe that's why,I guess.


Ah that's right - I forgot. but it's not the first time a team plays on Thursday in Europa and then on Sunday in Serie A. why change it this time?
MizNelson
Sometimes I wish I was able to discuss tactics and starting formations, but it's about as simple for me as advanced calculus.

Makes me wonder how I have as many posts as I do on here.
X-Offender
QUOTE (William405 @ Oct 23 2010, 09:51 PM) *
Napoli had a match on Thursday,maybe that's why,I guess.


So did Palermo, Juventus and Sampdoria.
han2503
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Oct 23 2010, 09:16 PM) *
Sometimes I wish I was able to discuss tactics and starting formations, but it's about as simple for me as advanced calculus.

Makes me wonder how I have as many posts as I do on here.

biggrin.gif Dida might factor into it

As for the match being played on Monday, I think there was an event at the San Paolo so the match had to be postponed...
X-Offender
Sportmediaset and La Gazzetta keep insisting on a Pirlo-Boateng-Seedorf midfield. Seriously, if this is what Allegri will opt for, he's even more clueless than I thought. We'll practically be playing without a DM against Napoli at the San Paolo. Go figure...
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Oct 23 2010, 10:16 PM) *
Sometimes I wish I was able to discuss tactics and starting formations, but it's about as simple for me as advanced calculus.

Makes me wonder how I have as many posts as I do on here.

Bah, all the strategy and game-plan talk makes me sometimes sick. It doesn't always come to tacticall details, it's more what's happening on the field.
X-Offender
Call-up list for Napoli: Abbiati, Amelia, Roma, Antonini, Bonera, Montelongo, Nesta, Oddo, Papastathopoulos, Yepes, Boateng, Flamini, Gattuso, Pirlo, Seedorf, Strasser, Ibrahimovic, Inzaghi, Pato, Robinho.

Indisponible players: Abate, Jankulovski, Thiago Silva, Zambrotta, Ambrosini, Ronaldinho.

Not called-up: Onyewu, Oduamadi.

So no Abate, Zambro, Thiago and Dinho. Please make Sokratis play!!
Fillipo Simone
Tbh. I'd rather see Montelongo play. This could be his first and last chance.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 24 2010, 12:31 PM) *
Call-up list for Napoli: Abbiati, Amelia, Roma, Antonini, Bonera, Montelongo, Nesta, Oddo, Papastathopoulos, Yepes, Boateng, Flamini, Gattuso, Pirlo, Seedorf, Strasser, Ibrahimovic, Inzaghi, Pato, Robinho.

Indisponible players: Abate, Jankulovski, Thiago Silva, Zambrotta, Ambrosini, Ronaldinho.

Not called-up: Onyewu, Oduamadi.

So no Abate, Zambro, Thiago and Dinho. Please make Sokratis play!!

Wow, our injury list has suddenly become huge, considering last week only Ambro was injured
Jack Sparrow
I wanna see Bruno play...
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 24 2010, 05:53 PM) *
I wanna see Bruno play...

Bruno who?
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 24 2010, 07:23 PM) *
Bruno who?

This Bruno:
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 24 2010, 01:54 PM) *
Tbh. I'd rather see Montelongo play. This could be his first and last chance.
han2503
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Oct 24 2010, 05:29 PM) *
This Bruno:

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Filippo is obviously not on a first name basis with him tongue.gif
Fillipo Simone
Man did I make a fool out of myself. Major cookie reduction sad.gif
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 24 2010, 07:41 PM) *
biggrin.gif

Filippo is obviously not on a first name basis with him tongue.gif

Well, it shows we simply don't know much about the guy.. that's why I am curious to see him play.. but I simply don't know if he is our best option for this match.. we should take this match very seriously.
han2503
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Oct 24 2010, 05:47 PM) *
Well, it shows we simply don't know much about the guy.. that's why I am curious to see him play.. but I simply don't know if he is our best option for this match.. we should take this match very seriously.

I'm personally glad Abate is out. He'd have been ripped to shreads.

I'd personally like to see this defensive line Antonini--Sokratis--Nesta--Bonera

Bonera needs to stay back, no use in him trying to make over lapping runs when he can't do them correctly or when he does get in a lucky position can't cross if his life epended on it.

So when Antonini pushes up we'll have a 3 man defense that is always covering, we can't get caught on the counter here

Also if that midfield line-up X-Off posted is correct, we're in deep sh!t!!!

Seedorf again!! This is becoming a big problem, also Flamini needs to play, same goes for Boateng
X-Offender
I have set an ultimatum for myself: if Seedorf plays tomorrow, Imma nuke Allegri's house!!! 4REAL!!!

Seriously though, what motivation could a coach have for playing someone who has been terrible, unwatchable, disgusting for several games now? It's beyond every logic, especially when you have guys like Flamini and Boateng that would be sure starters in every other team. Allegri, you fool!!!
William405
Allegri said he's got a doubt between Seedorf and robihno.I'm really starting to hate this guy...
MizNelson
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 24 2010, 03:12 AM) *
biggrin.gif Dida might factor into it

It's the penguins, actually. smile.gif

QUOTE (CHU-LIP)
This Bruno:

CHU-LIP
Okay, why have I been quoted followed by such a gay picture?
MizNelson
Click.
han2503
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Oct 24 2010, 07:44 PM) *
It's the penguins, actually. smile.gif



laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

I wub.gif Bruno
Fillipo Simone
Baahh... rolleyes.gif
X-Offender
Bruno doesn't hold a candle to Borat.
X-Offender
Interesting. La Gazzetta has this probabile line-up for tomorrow:

Abbiati
Bonera - Nesta - Sokratis - Antonini
Boateng - Pirlo - Flamini
Robinho
Pato - Ibrahimovic


Please god, let it be so!
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