TriniKing_CE
Dec 6 2008, 07:29 PM
QUOTE (Nova @ Dec 6 2008, 02:21 PM)

That was in the coppa italia , i dont think it counts for the serie A.
I think he must be injured , good thing that Pato is back.
Ancelotti actually said the opposite in the pre-game conference, he stated that Pato isn't fully recovered as yet, and won't play, but he didn't mention anything about Ronaldinho
CrazyMilanFan
Dec 6 2008, 07:31 PM
MILANELLO - 19 players have been called up by Carlo Ancelotti for Milan-Catania: Abbiati, Dida, Antonini, De Vito (n.53), Favalli, Jankulovski, Kaladze, Maldini, Senderos, Zambrotta, Cardacio, Emerson, Flamini, Gattuso, Pedrocchi (n.52), Kakà, Pato, Shevchenko, Viudez (n.20).
Unavailable: Bonera, Nesta, Ambrosini, Pirlo, Borriello, Inzaghi, Seedorf, Ronaldinho.
i consider r80 as a tactical injury
Nova
Dec 6 2008, 07:31 PM
QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Dec 6 2008, 07:29 PM)

Ancelotti actually said the opposite in the pre-game conference, he stated that Pato isn't fully recovered as yet, and won't play, but he didn't mention anything about Ronaldinho
on the official site pato is among the called up players , not sure if he'll play or not
CrazyMilanFan
Dec 6 2008, 07:33 PM
seedorf out as well ( wish we had yoann) so again there will be emerson unless some younster.... nah not gonna happen probably 4-3-1-2 with rino-emerson-flamini and kaka-pato-sheva upfront and who is pedrocchi anyone know his postion
whoarethepatriots
Dec 6 2008, 07:41 PM
I dont know Perdorcchi, but De Vito is a left back for the Primavera
CrazyMilanFan
Dec 6 2008, 07:45 PM
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Dec 6 2008, 06:41 PM)

I dont know Perdorcchi, but De Vito is a left back for the Primavera
so he got no chance of playing only cardaccio got some chance bcoz carlo does change one of the three midfield player
Astafjevs
Dec 6 2008, 07:46 PM
Pedrocchi is a midfielder, again from our Primavera side. Local lad too I believe, which is nice.
CrazyMilanFan
Dec 6 2008, 07:49 PM
QUOTE (Astafjevs @ Dec 6 2008, 06:46 PM)

Pedrocchi is a midfielder, again from our Primavera side. Local lad too I believe, which is nice.
what sort of midfield mate attacking or defeinsive??
whoarethepatriots
Dec 6 2008, 07:57 PM
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Dec 6 2008, 06:49 PM)

what sort of midfield mate attacking or defeinsive??
According to the website he is a "Centrocampisti" which is a central midfielder if i am not mistaken, and Astafjevs is right he is Milanese
Fillipo Simone
Dec 6 2008, 07:59 PM
DM I suppose.
CrazyMilanFan
Dec 6 2008, 08:00 PM
thnx everyone
TriniKing_CE
Dec 6 2008, 08:08 PM
Like Nova first mentioned earlier on:
QUOTE
Ronaldinho Ruled Out For Catania Clash
Milan star Ronaldinho has been ruled out for tomorrow's match against Catania, along with Filippo Inzaghi, Andrea Pirlo, and Clarence Seedorf.
Luck continues to conspire against Milan, as they will have to do without superstar Ronaldinho for tomorrow's match against Catania. Other absences will be Andrea Pirlo, Filippo Inzaghi, Clarence Seedorf, Daniele Bonera, as well as long-term injuries Alessandro Nesta and Marco Borriello. Massimo Ambrosini and Daniele Bonera are also unavailable.
Coach Carlo Ancelotti had already mentioned the player was a doubt for this match, and in the final training session he pulled up with a muscle problem, removing all doubt.
This will no doubt be a blow for the Rossoneri, who need to bounce back from two costly defeats against Palermo in Serie A and Lazio in the Coppa Italia.
Ronaldinho has been one of Milan's best players lately, finding the net with ease, but Kaká has said that the team has nevertheless had some problems adjusting to his presence.
Perhaps last year's Ballon D'Or winner will be more comfortable now that his countryman is out, as Ancelotti has to re-think his tactics with so many players out.
The good news is that Alexandre Pato will be available for this one. The 19-year-old had been a doubt due to bruised ribs.
This is Milan's full squad: Abbiati, Dida, Antonini, De Vito, Favalli, Jankulovski, Kaladze, Maldini, Senderos, Zambrotta, Cardacio, Emerson, Flamini, Gattuso, Pedrocchi, Kakà, Pato, Shevchenko, Viudez.
Danilo Pochini
Ronaldinho Ruled Out For Catania - Goal.com
Astafjevs
Dec 6 2008, 08:08 PM
He's an attacking midfielder. Hasn't made that many appearances so far, so impact has been limited.
OK then... Kaka won't be "limited"... let's see what he can do!
CrazyMilanFan
Dec 6 2008, 09:02 PM
QUOTE (dst @ Dec 6 2008, 07:55 PM)

OK then... Kaka won't be "limited"... let's see what he can do!
his interview was more of a twisted word
Zed.D
Dec 6 2008, 10:29 PM
Inter won 0-3. that makes our tomorrow's game a must-win. if we draw, we'll be 8 points behind Inter in the standings. if we lose, it'll be 9, in other words, game over. the Scudetto will be lost, believe me or not!
With Pippo, Pirlo, Borriello, Ronaldinho, Seedorf, Ambro and Boenra out, I don't feel confident at all tbh.
EDIT: Gee, so many injured players. I can see what our excuses will be if we don't win.
vnata001
Dec 6 2008, 10:35 PM
hey, hey, hey. first off we DO get pato back for this one. and borri, dinho, clarence are all out..yes...
BUT i'm gonna try and take a more optimistic look at things for a change. Kaka won't be "limited" like dst said..and up front we will see the phenom pato and the return to form of SHEVCHENKO. doesn't that have such an awesome ring to it?...THE RETURN TO FORM OF SHEVCHENKO.

and maybe with pirlo, and clarence out we'll get a little Cardacio, Flamini, Gattuso trio? but this is a stretch..replace emerson with cardacio (GREAT).
Zed.D
Dec 6 2008, 10:38 PM
Yeah I edited my post!
I know it's almost impossible, but I hope to see Cardacio start this one now that Seedorf, Pirlo and Ronaldinho are all out.
Fillipo Simone
Dec 6 2008, 10:41 PM
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Dec 6 2008, 10:29 PM)

Inter won 0-3. that makes our tomorrow's game a must-win. if we draw, we'll be 8 points behind Inter in the standings. if we lose, it'll be 9, in other words, game over. the Scudetto will be lost, believe me or not!
Good ol' zd pessimism-realism mixture before the game, I started to think you've missed it out this time!
Naah, belive me, championships are not lost around December. I get what you mean - it would be very hard to even up a minus of 9 points. Still, have a little faith spared. Wonders happen. At Cagliari, Lecce or Atalanta every 10 years, at Milan a bit regularly.
Zed.D
Dec 6 2008, 10:47 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 7 2008, 01:11 AM)

Good ol' zd pessimism-realism mixture before the game, I started to think you've missed it out this time!
Naah, belive me, championships are not lost around December. I get what you mean - it would be very hard to even up a minus of 9 points. Still, have a little faith spared. Wonders happen. At Cagliari, Lecce or Atalanta every 10 years, at Milan a bit regularly.

I guess we shall wait and see.
I'm not optimistic about the Scudetto already. if we don't win tomorrow, I'll lose all my hope, up to the hundredth percent! can't help it... Inter are too strong.
I guess returning to the CL will be our 'achievement' of this season
Astafjevs
Dec 6 2008, 10:48 PM
I don't think we're going to win the title this year. Inter are too strong this year, while we are too inconsistent.
Abbiati; Zambrotta, Maldini, Kaladze, Jankulovski; Gattuso, Emerson, Flamini; Kaka; Pato, Shevchenko
Can't see any other line-up than that above. Bench will be rather weak.
On a separate, but related note, I am starting to get concerned about our training and/or medical team. I know we're a very old squad, but the number of injuries we suffer is incredible. There are other similarly old players in other squads who do not suffer injuries as readily. I think it's time questions were asked about the training, and perhaps the medical management of the players when injuries do occur.
Fillipo Simone
Dec 6 2008, 10:55 PM
QUOTE (Astafjevs @ Dec 6 2008, 10:48 PM)

On a separate, but related note, I am starting to get concerned about our training and/or medical team. I know we're a very old squad, but the number of injuries we suffer is incredible. There are other similarly old players in other squads who do not suffer injuries as readily. I think it's time questions were asked about the training, and perhaps the medical management of the players when injuries do occur.
We recently signed a new team doctor, right? But it's a very good question you asked.
Tennie
Dec 6 2008, 10:55 PM
+1.
I agree astafjevs. Something is not working as it should at Milan Lab.
CrazyMilanFan
Dec 6 2008, 11:21 PM
quite true i thought that milan medical facillity was the best but after r99 they haven been that impressive second thing is sometime it is the surface on whihc players play have some patches whihc can cause player injuries and mainly our player get injure in training rather than games it rarely happens and finally some times it is just bad luck
TriniKing_CE
Dec 6 2008, 11:25 PM
Put me on that list too, I've been wondering about this quite some time actually.
Tennie
Dec 6 2008, 11:31 PM
Quick note: Of those on the injured list, Ambrosini and Bonera are 1 yellow away from a suspension. Theirs may be strategic injuries, given that our next game is against the Gobbi. Kaladze and Gattuso are also 1 yellow away from a suspension.
Zed.D
Dec 6 2008, 11:31 PM
QUOTE (Astafjevs @ Dec 7 2008, 01:18 AM)

Abbiati; Zambrotta, Maldini, Kaladze, Jankulovski; Gattuso, Emerson, Flamini; Kaka; Pato, Shevchenko
I hope not. seriously I hope not!!
It's time Carlo changed. let Cardacio play instead one of them. please!
Zed.D
Dec 6 2008, 11:34 PM
I think Seedorf and Ronaldinho's injuries may be strategic too...
Tennie
Dec 6 2008, 11:37 PM
They could be, zd.
I'm not sure it's been mentioned previously but Walter Zenga has a touchline ban for this game. He'll be watching from the tribune somewhere.
TriniKing_CE
Dec 6 2008, 11:42 PM
strategic in what sense?
Tennie
Dec 6 2008, 11:48 PM
Well, with the next game against Juve (Gobbi is the nickname in Italian), one would imagine that Bonera at least (and probably also Ambrosini) would be desired starters. Better to hold them out of the Catania game rather than risk a yellow and suspension. Ronaldinho and Seedorf may just be being rested for the Juve game.
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Dec 7 2008, 12:31 AM)

I hope not. seriously I hope not!!
It's time Carlo changed. let Cardacio play instead one of them. please!
It's more probable the sky will fall on our heads!
Astafjevs
Dec 7 2008, 01:22 AM
I don't think these are strategic injuries to be honest. We can't afford to be resting players or whatever in a game we're not guaranteed to win. There's no point beating Juventus next week if we drop points this week.
Fillipo Simone
Dec 7 2008, 02:00 AM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Dec 6 2008, 11:37 PM)

They could be, zd.
I'm not sure it's been mentioned previously but Walter Zenga has a touchline ban for this game. He'll be watching from the tribune somewhere.
Zenga was banned when I watched the Lazio-Catania game too. What did he do?
We should be motivated. Zenga is an ex-Interista.
But I predict a hard match with them. If any team has a catanaggio-like formation then it's Catania.
MizNelson
Dec 7 2008, 02:12 AM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Dec 6 2008, 01:55 PM)

+1.
I agree astafjevs. Something is not working as it should at Milan Lab.
Milan Lab has been out of whack for quite awhile. We were particularly wracked with injury ('specially the older players) last season.
Does this mean that Meersemann (sp?) is gone?
Astafjevs
Dec 7 2008, 02:20 AM
No. He's actually been promoted to Co-ordinator of Medicine, and as a result his previous position of club Doctor became free. That's been taken by Masimilliano Sala.
Either way, nothing has changed. There were problems last year, and that has continued this year. Whether Meersseman is the root remains to be seen, he is the common denominator in all of it though.
Tennie
Dec 7 2008, 02:32 AM
Er. Didn't Sala leave ,to be replaced by the guy who was doctor at Parma? There's a new person doing the periodic medical reports. I'm a little confused on this one.
Astafjevs
Dec 7 2008, 02:34 AM
Apologies. Just realised my mistake, was coming to post the amendment.
You're correct, he was replaced by Massimo Manara, who was indeed the doctor at Parma.
TriniKing_CE
Dec 7 2008, 03:35 AM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Dec 6 2008, 06:48 PM)

Well, with the next game against Juve (Gobbi is the nickname in Italian), one would imagine that Bonera at least (and probably also Ambrosini) would be desired starters. Better to hold them out of the Catania game rather than risk a yellow and suspension. Ronaldinho and Seedorf may just be being rested for the Juve game.
aww okay, I hear you now.
Understood!
amancik
Dec 7 2008, 03:47 AM
Seriously man, it's time to WIN! No more bad excuses.
han2503
Dec 7 2008, 09:00 AM
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Dec 6 2008, 07:31 PM)

MILANELLO - 19 players have been called up by Carlo Ancelotti for Milan-Catania: Abbiati, Dida, Antonini, De Vito (n.53), Favalli, Jankulovski, Kaladze, Maldini, Senderos, Zambrotta, Cardacio, Emerson, Flamini, Gattuso, Pedrocchi (n.52), Kakà, Pato, Shevchenko, Viudez (n.20).
Unavailable: Bonera, Nesta, Ambrosini, Pirlo, Borriello, Inzaghi, Seedorf, Ronaldinho.
i consider r80 as a tactical injury
I hadn't seen this before

No Pirlo, no Seedorf!! That means a 3 DM midfield, which in turn means a draw or even worse a loss!!
I'm reaching here but maybe Viudez could play that Seedorf role in the center left, but Carlo won't play him so...
Ambrosini is out to so that's a definate start for Emerson

Let's see what his next screw up will be.
And no Bonera either!! We're down to our bones in this one. What happened to Dinho?
Hopefully we'll see something like this
Zambro--Maldini--Senderos--Janku
Rino--Flamini--Cardacio
Kaka
Sheva--Pato
That midfield is a serious problem and we won't really have much control of the play if we don't play smart. Kaka needs to work over time in this one, the DMs need to win the bval back and quickly give it to Kaka, no trying fancy moves and passes with that midfield or we'll get owned like we did against Portsmouth, Palermo and Lazio.
I bet Carlo is really enjoying this though
MizNelson
Dec 7 2008, 09:37 AM
Watch us lose 1-0 tomorrow and then thrash Juve by four next week.
Fillipo Simone
Dec 7 2008, 11:47 AM
Gee, this is a real electrifying athmosphere here! Great approach...
Ry4n
Dec 7 2008, 12:25 PM
lol
CrazyMilanFan
Dec 7 2008, 12:27 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Dec 7 2008, 08:00 AM)

I hadn't seen this before

No Pirlo, no Seedorf!! That means a 3 DM midfield, which in turn means a draw or even worse a loss!!
I'm reaching here but maybe Viudez could play that Seedorf role in the center left, but Carlo won't play him so...
Ambrosini is out to so that's a definate start for Emerson

Let's see what his next screw up will be.
And no Bonera either!! We're down to our bones in this one. What happened to Dinho?
Hopefully we'll see something like this
Zambro--Maldini--Senderos--Janku
Rino--Flamini--Cardacio
Kaka
Sheva--Pato
That midfield is a serious problem and we won't really have much control of the play if we don't play smart. Kaka needs to work over time in this one, the DMs need to win the bval back and quickly give it to Kaka, no trying fancy moves and passes with that midfield or we'll get owned like we did against Portsmouth, Palermo and Lazio.
I bet Carlo is really enjoying this though

ur linup is exactly what i want but we know emerson will start ahead of cardaccio
Rivaldo
Dec 7 2008, 01:08 PM
Kaka
Sheva--Pato
I belive in them.
Forza Milan! Forza Carletto!
amancik
Dec 7 2008, 01:19 PM
I believe in them alright, it's you I don't believe in Rivaldo!
Ry4n
Dec 7 2008, 01:28 PM
I still think we can win this one , as Catania love to attack aswell as sit back im sure we can get a result 3- 1!!!!!!
amancik
Dec 7 2008, 01:42 PM
I don't know rhy, I have lost my optimism in the last game. It used to be expectation, then optimism and then what I hold onto now is hope.
Mook
Dec 7 2008, 01:47 PM
The only optimism I have for this game is the trident of Sheva, Pato and Kaka'. Hopefully it will be enough.
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