Hmm, you got a point there han, but those two goals that Milan conceded were very well taken shots. It was clear the defense and midfield had problems linking up, and I hope Carlo plugged those holes ... As for Senderos, I havn't seen the match so, I would appreciate if anyone gets his/her hands on the highlights to share

Yes they were well taken shots, but both were preventable had the defending been up to standard, we had been seeing that kind of defending all though pre season, but everyone was saying "oh it doesn't matter these are just friendlies" When now we're seeing the same things being repeated in the league, and I'm sure we'll conceed some cheap goal to Genoa on Sunday, let's just hope we manage to out score them...

We simply don't have too many friendly games in our own stadium... it seems.

That is the plan

this result does not mean anything but I think that something is wrong in milan system or motivation something is missing we lost 2-0 to this side I dont think anyone here even knew one player from their side and if it was someother side caoach would have been under immense pressure rite now

Doesn't change the fact it's a friendly and I would rather take the loss, then having the team work harder ahead of the game this weekend. Inzaghi got injured and that was enough for me. I think the team was distracted over other things going on...

what things

Oh, my God we lost to Logano?! Even with our primavera we should have beat them!

Embarrassing!!!

Hrm. Here's the first paragraph of Mediaset's article about the game:

Tira un'aria pesante in casa Milan dopo il ko contro il Lugano in amichevole. Carlo Ancelotti non si è presentato in sala stampa e le parole dei giocatori rossoneri sono dure. Seedorf non le manda a dire: "Con tutto il rispetto non possiamo perdere con questa squadra. Certo era un'amichevole, ma dobbiamo chiedere comunque scusa ai nostri tifosi. Non possiamo certo andare a Genova con questo tipo atteggiamento".

[There's a heavy air at Milan after the friendly defeat to Lugano. Carlo Ancelotti didn't appear in the press room after the game and the words of the players are hard. Seedorf says 'With all due respect, we shouldn't lose against this team. Sure, it was a friendly, but we should end by apologizing to our fans. We surely can't go to Genoa with this sort of attitude.'] link to full article.

I now come to read about the game and the first thing I see is this...
Worrying! (to say the very least)

The upcoming game against Genoa which is basically a must win...

Just found out that we played today.

So... we lost 2-0 to the mighty Lugano? At least a draw... but losing again against a side like this one? Gijon defeat, Bologna's, City's, Chelsea's humiliation...

What's next? Get a 6-0 in the derby?

Jesus. We were missing most of our players.

Er.. have you ever heard of a thing called depth? If our backups can't beat a Swiss 2nd division team, God help us when we get injuries this season.

6-1, thank you. Just like the one we got against Juve, but with Paolo scoring our lone goal instead of Baresi. Let's leave the 6-0 defeats to other teams. The thing is we've got a pretty good excuse for these consecutive losses at friendlies, that they're just friendlies. I recall the 4-1 win our Juve, no one said it was a friendly then.


Valid point. But maybe our bench could have stepped up. Or at least, the master tactician, Carlo himself for a change? Winning, and winning consecutively has it's perks and benefits, friendlies or not. It builds confidence for the team and the players. No wonder the coach has been having exclusive luncheons with Galliani and Braida, etc. One with Mr. B seems like a possibility soon.

Personally, I just hoped our bench showed some spine, keeping in mind this was a good opportunity for them to come out and shine. They won't be getting much action once the key players return, seeing as we're covered and have backup players in almost every position. Still, like you said it was a friendly.

Beat me to it. Well said, Kurt. Not much good came out of this match, however.

We played well and won, so obviously the fact that it's a friendly doesn't matter.

Why? Was there a trophy or something important attached to this game?

After Inzaghi got hurt I can see why they didn't. Winning friendly games don't mean anything honestly, and it wouldn't mean anything to me either way.

Some of them did do well, including Kaka.

Oh really? I can say the same thing about the English national team.

Milan has quite a bit of depth now though... but we still were missing key players. More than a few...

Abbiati; Bonera, Senderos, Maldini, Antonini; Cardacio, Emerson, Ambrosini; Seedorf; Inzaghi, Pato.

Don't tell me this team can't beat a 2nd division team.

Milan burns 120M/euros in salaries per year. That means we're not talking about only a great 11 but we actually have depth this year. At least on the paper...

It was a bad game for Milan. Pippo's injury was bad, Senderos had a couple of poor errors, and there seemed little spark from what I can gather (this from media reports - Gazzetta, Mediaset, etc).

The fact that Carlo Ancelotti skipped the post-match interview is pretty telling to me.

The only good points mentioned in the game were Cardacio's performance, Kaka's return, and apparently a reasonably good performance by Primavera player Angelilli.

Actually I don't think our team cared that much about it. Neither do I.

But some around here seem to put on the same pedestal as a CL final.

The fact that the team didn't seem to care much is, to me, a very bad sign. A game is a game, whether it's a friendly or not. The fringe and Primavera players should've been playing their hearts out - a couple of them apparently did.

I think Inzaghi's injury may have had some to do with why the team didn't play up to pace.

But it's still a friendly, and I wouldn't want any player playing their hearts out so they have nothing to offer against Genoa.

You do realise it was a England backup player that scored a hat-trick today? Kinda made yourself look silly there.

Football is football. It's not JUST this friendly we're annoyed about. Couple that with the poor result at home the other week, and that is why we're annoyed.

They should care Giancarlo. They earn a lot of money. A lot of it. Even the bench-warmers.

Ancelotti has got to go. It's him and him alone.

They should get new hearts then. Or stop playing these mindless friendlies. No one in the squad gets paid to lose, and lose like this. It would have been great had we shown some guts and played well as a team - at the very least that signals to the management and team that the bench is alive and kicking, which is a good assurance to have. That or the fact that our coach can't devise a tactic for these smaller teams. Besides Inzaghi isn't the most vital of components for this Milan side, so I can't believe his injury results in a two-nil drubbing. Good to see Kaka play well though, as he usually does.

Either way, I hope this is the last friendly we have to play in some time (bar the Fiorentina charity match). I've had enough of them for the time being. No one likes losing, not even you Giancarlo whether you admit it or not. Hopefully the management cuts down on such nonsense matches next time.

Sack Carlo, get Theo.

Millions, per year. All of them benchers. Not even $100,000s. While most of the average Jones fail to reach anywhere near this amount in their lifetime. I'm not questioning their earnings, maybe they deserve it, but I'm questioning their resolve and will. When guys like Emerson, Ambrosini, Seedorf know full well that they have other, better players on their tail that could bench them long term.

It's not like last season, this time around. And the sooner they understand it the better for everyone. We need people who can be counted upon, someone the fans and management can depend on in times of trouble, not slackers.


I guess it comes down to the fact that we've not won anything for some time, bar some local matches against Juve and merda. Once we do get on track, I'm sure all will be forgotten. But our bench still worries me sometimes. Them or their commitment levels.

Word. Enough of this "shorthanded team" hullabaloo. A quality team should be able to adapt to just about any adverse situation.

We're quickly running out of excuses after the Chelsea walloping and the Gijon and Bologna losses.

I think they cared more than you think otherwise Carlo Ancelotti would not skip the post-match interview and Seedorf would not apologize to the fans.

This is another prove that Il mister isn't that good at motivating his players and get that little extra from the players.

I think that we should stop playing meaningless friendly games, and play more in our own pitch in front of fans. I don't think many fans traveled for this one. I don't like losing, but I look at things realistically. I'm not going to be irrationally angry and call for the sacking of Ancelotti.

I think we should invite more teams to play in the San Siro...

What's the point of that?

Although, I'm not in the sack-Carlo-just-because-he-lost-a-friendly camp yet, still a part of me believes that there is something wrong with the team, and the coach is smack in the middle of it. Maybe it's the motivation problems, maybe stubbornness in sticking with same players, or heck, even some of our bench players not giving their all, in addition to some being horribly out of form and favor.

Agree about the inviting more teams to San Siro part. What use is it with us going and playing there, when they can come in and get a taste of our legendary stadium? I think it comes down to the problem of us having to rent the San Siro, which runs into hundreds of thousands of Euros, as opposed to teams who own their stadium. Who knows?


It's called jumping the bandwagon. It's fun. You should try it sometime!

I think once everyone gets down to it... there has to be more pressure on the team and I think the game against Genoa will be that pressure. There is pressure on Ancelotti to motivate... and change things up... even suggest testing out 4-2-3-1...



It'll help our team I think. So many other teams have friendly games in their stadiums... why don't we have? I think that whole thing to Russia for that friendly tournament was useless. Well Berlusconi usually flips the bill... and we got the revenues I'm sure.



I'm not one to do that. People know who me here know I'm more stubborn than Carlo.

I can only hope.


I think there is also the issue of San Siro not filling up. The fans of today are smart, and busy, not many people can spare time unless it's either a high profile match, or an official one. What this means is not only decreased revenue, but also empty stands for the camera. Plus, there's also the small matter of $$$ and small feeder clubs that we are trying to build some relations with.

Otherwise, I don't see the purpose of these friendlies, and that too after traveling thousand of miles to play in front of their fans, our second string team. More fatigue, that's all. Too much trouble for too little gains, and often injuries as the one today to Pippo. I hope the team gets the ball rolling, forgets these defeats, and kicks into high gear soon, otherwise it's going to be fireworks. Mr. B didn't spend 50 million to flounder them because of a stubborn or unmotivated coach. And Carlo knows it.


I can only imagine.

Then the only suggestion I have is have more friendly games in Italy...



The whole trip to Russia in particular annoyed me. It was useless and not worth the time. I think the team will feel the pressure, and with the pressure they do much better. We spent a great deal and acquired a great deal of talent. Even Galliani said there is no reason for this team not do really well!

Obviously. what more could he ask for? he has a great squad at his disposal and has to deliver results (Galliani clearly warned him about this before the start of the season). I waiting to see what happens in Genoa, but I think Carlo could continue a couple of seasons just as much as he could be sacked even before the end of this season.

The management don't want another CL miss. (JMO)



Good one



Could there be a point in that? he's just being sarcastic.

Actually we did nothing in defence marketing and all of summer Galliani was talking about RED LINE .

Unfortunately the rest of our management is as bad as Carlo. Carlo knows he can do nothing and get away with it, he'll probably be here until his contract runs out, though I don't know when that is. Very soon I hope. Simply not good enough.

My take on things is a little different from Kurt's.

I think Carlo Ancelotti genuinely wants his team to be a powerhouse in the way that Sacchi's Milan was. I also think Carlo's a good coach. Unfortunately, Carlo does not appear to be one of those (rare) coaches who can stay at the same club for decades and retain their effectiveness.

I have a lot of respect for him but it really looks to me that Carlo's lost the dressing room - and that being the case, he needs to go for his own sake as much as the team's.

There've already been hints that the heat is being turned up:
* Berlusconi's panettone comment ('Ancelotti's already fat enough, he doesn't need to eat any more panettone') which implies Carletto may not be around at Christmas, when panettone are traditional gifts
* Tassotti's interview the other day. Both that he gave one that was so prominently featured and because of the content.
* Carletto's absence from the press room after the Lugano game. That's the first time since he's been here that he skipped a postgame press conference.

I dont Want any player that Played with inter Before, to be the Captain of this Team.
He deserves It...!

Tennie, I think Carlo has brought important results to Via Turati ... A change of coach is inevitable, but I doubt anyone has anything bad to say about Carlo, cuz he is one of the three most successful coaches under Silvio's reign

I agree with you completely, R7. I still think that perhaps it's time for a sad but inevitable parting of the ways that's best for everyone.

Yeah..I think its time to part ways...Its like cuz our current team is working under Ancelotti we're not serious with things..We just take things wish washly and Ancelotti is not trying to discipline the team..This family thing is affecting milan badly (the results show it)...I'll say the way milan train under Carlo isn't that professional anymore but rather for fun..The management should discipline carlo..We've lost too many matches more than every other big team out there now..When our players play bad instead of carlo criticise them he praise them and they repeat the same thing..I'm not saying he should criticise them to bring them down but rather to make them see how important it is..Its only when we're losing that we're motivated...which is bad..Carlo should discipline our players..If they don't perform well, they'll seat on the bench..and he should be serious about it..Like seedorf, wen he doesn't perform well he should seat on the bench and the same goes for everyone else..This is not a retirement home..I'm really getting tired of milan losing every now and then..Milan of 3-4 years ago is different from milan of now..We need to fight hard..Fight for the ball..We should be disciplined enough that when our opponents are getting closer to our goal post, we should be uncomfortable..We should fight for every ball..This results are really annoying me..Now i cannot really tell if milan can beat small teams in the future talk less of big team..no more respect for milan..We're really embarassing ourselves and i'm really dissappointed..So much for bad luck..Curse that bad luck..Our defense needs to wake up...Not let our opponents breeze through defense like water..just like Da Vaio did against Kaladze..We shouldn't fall back too much till our goal post..40yds away from our goal post we should already be defending not till we get to our goal post...Just as we got new players, we should get a new coach..We need to be really motivated and fight for it..Jankulovski too needs to work on his defense very well and not let defenders pass him like water...Pirlo is no defensive player..He really can't defend.. We need someone like Xabi Alonso...He knows how to pass too...someone that can defend as well as attack...We need to have a tight bonded up defense...I just pray that these nightmares milan are going through would soon be over...

I thank Carlo for what he's done for us and all.. but I just don't see the 'great coach' in him.

Throughout his time in Milan, I'd say he's had great squads. Last season was probably the only exception, but he still had the World Player of the Year on his team, yet couldn't even finish in the top 4 in the league or make it to the QFs of the European Cup. As for the rest of his years here, he's had magnificent teams, but has won very little. One Serie A title is simply not good enough. Two European Cups is impressive, the first one especially as we actually did compete in the league, but the 2nd one? Liverpool showed that teams can abandon the league in search of European success.. not to mention he had the best player in the World on his squad, who arguably took us to the final pretty much single handedly.

I see some people make the arguement of "Well great players don't make a great team". No, they don't. but a great coach can turn great players into a great team. Unfortunately Carlo hasn't done that, so I can't see him as great. Maybe he'll prove me wrong and win the Scudetto this season, he has yet another great squad, but I just don't see it in him.

I think if the team repeats the last season's performances Carlo won't be around until the day his contract runs out because a club like Milan simply can't afford two CL-less seasons. but I don't want this relationship to end that way! hope he can get us back to CL, or better yet get us the Scudetto, then leave for a new challenge.


I seems to me Silvio's never been Carlo's biggest fan... I rarely have seen him praise Carlo.

Nope. Never was. The two just got along.