I'm more interested in why the details of the deal are confidential and what are they hiding?
I will never feel the same way I did about Sheva, to me he is just a tool to help us win trophies.
Full Version: OFFICAL: Shevchenko returns
QUOTE (Il Capitano @ Aug 24 2008, 01:01 AM) 
I'm more interested in why the details of the deal are confidential and what are they hiding?
I will never feel the same way I did about Sheva, to me he is just a tool to help us win trophies.
I will never feel the same way I did about Sheva, to me he is just a tool to help us win trophies.
I think Chelsea were embarrassed because they may have sold him for far less than what they paid for. Perhaps 1/3rd the price of what they sold him for. They will, nonetheless, get Robinho in the end...
QUOTE (rhy_A4 @ Aug 23 2008, 10:30 AM)
will he be given the 7 shirt back .....
No. In fact, he deserves a scarlet letter instead of a number on his jersey.
I swear, gotta love management. "Hey, Sheva, never mind that you lied like a dog to get out of here the first time. Welcome home!"
Our players finally will have enough time to breathe and be less injured
no he has 17. to give him 7 would be a huge insult and would destroy the whole philosphy of our club. He left and their is no way he will be getting his old # back.
I haven't seen any official announcement on his jersey number yet.
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 23 2008, 07:06 PM)
I haven't seen any official announcement on his jersey number yet.
How about zero?
welcome back but sheva still have a lot to prove to all milanista.. he is a legend but the way he left was too painful for most milan fan (not sure bout others but i know i was hurt).. hows ur english now sheva???? hahaha... he should give a public apology to the fan as well..
QUOTE (weeeow @ Aug 23 2008, 06:46 PM)
Haha. And my shirt is no longer out of date finally
Ha, never thought of that can wear mine again
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 24 2008, 09:56 AM)
no he has 17. to give him 7 would be a huge insult and would destroy the whole philosphy of our club. He left and their is no way he will be getting his old # back.
eventhough we used to chant his name, taking away the number from a kid will only be problematic.
Now, one more signing and our transfer campaign will be almost perfect!
Come on baldy, there's still 7 days left. Make us happy again.
Come on baldy, there's still 7 days left. Make us happy again.
I moved my post to the transfer thread. 
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 24 2008, 01:38 AM)
I don't think that will be much of a problem, we'll be playing a lot of games this season, and with this squad (especially if we manage a CB) I would like to see Carlo trying to go for all 3 competitions we're involved in, yes even the Coppa. And plus, injuries could easily come out of no where if Kaka's injury persists and something happened to R10, we would only have Seedorf, so 2 strikers would be needed to start.
Plus Sheva will be a good influence on Pato he will guide him, he's still young and Sheva is a great professional and a great guy, no doubt he will have a good effet on Pato
Plus Sheva will be a good influence on Pato he will guide him, he's still young and Sheva is a great professional and a great guy, no doubt he will have a good effet on Pato
There must be a rotating system because we now have too many players! except for in defense. we finally have some good players on the benh too
when was the last time we had such squad? probably when Sheva, Stam, Costa, etc were still here...Just one CB, please...
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Aug 24 2008, 06:41 AM)
How about zero?
That would make sense
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Did Kaka option release Sheva?
Sunday 24 August, 2008
There is continuing confusion over how much Milan paid to sign Andriy Shevchenko, raising doubts Kaka might have been involved.
When the announcement that Sheva was returning to San Siro was made at 18.00 on Saturday, both clubs declared “the details are confidential.”
The transfer had collapsed over the past few days with Adriano Galliani pointing out Chelsea were refusing to release the striker on loan to the same club that had earned £30m for him two years ago.
It had been reported Chelsea requested a loan deal that had to be followed by a permanent move worth £13m.
None of the sources close to either club have emerged with a theory on how they managed to resolve the issue.
The contract will be signed on Monday after a medical and then the details might emerge, but it still doesn’t answer why there has been so much secrecy.
There is the rumour that Chelsea’s £100m chase for Kaka could be involved, as the only way for Milan to gain leverage would be to include an option on the Brazilian.
However, should Kaka not wish to leave San Siro at any stage of his career, then the option would essentially be worthless.
If the 2007 Ballon d’Or does opt to walk away, then the option would give Chelsea first choice, thereby destroying any chance of Real Madrid pipping them to the post.
Of course this could all be just a theory and the truth may well be that President Silvio Berlusconi agreed to shell out the extra cash at the end of the season just to have Sheva back in his squad.
Channel4
Sunday 24 August, 2008
There is continuing confusion over how much Milan paid to sign Andriy Shevchenko, raising doubts Kaka might have been involved.
When the announcement that Sheva was returning to San Siro was made at 18.00 on Saturday, both clubs declared “the details are confidential.”
The transfer had collapsed over the past few days with Adriano Galliani pointing out Chelsea were refusing to release the striker on loan to the same club that had earned £30m for him two years ago.
It had been reported Chelsea requested a loan deal that had to be followed by a permanent move worth £13m.
None of the sources close to either club have emerged with a theory on how they managed to resolve the issue.
The contract will be signed on Monday after a medical and then the details might emerge, but it still doesn’t answer why there has been so much secrecy.
There is the rumour that Chelsea’s £100m chase for Kaka could be involved, as the only way for Milan to gain leverage would be to include an option on the Brazilian.
However, should Kaka not wish to leave San Siro at any stage of his career, then the option would essentially be worthless.
If the 2007 Ballon d’Or does opt to walk away, then the option would give Chelsea first choice, thereby destroying any chance of Real Madrid pipping them to the post.
Of course this could all be just a theory and the truth may well be that President Silvio Berlusconi agreed to shell out the extra cash at the end of the season just to have Sheva back in his squad.
Channel4
I hope we haven't committed such act of stupidity!....
Absolutely not. Kaka does not want to leave. That article makes a lot of assumptions. Chelsea is keeping it quiet because Chelsea paid a ridiculous amount for him and probably released him for less than half what was paid him originally.
The only thing remotely likely or truthful about the article is the last sentence. Berlusconi would not permit it either. Besides that this also makes sense if this were even remotely true:
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"However, should Kaka not wish to leave San Siro at any stage of his career, then the option would essentially be worthless."
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In other words, Kaka could simply say no to leaving. And I see Sheva's arrival as less reason for him to leave as the two were good friends. So even if we did promise to give Chelsea first bids, if Kaka doesn't leave... lol...
So Chelsea basically shot itself in the foot... even if they did try to make us promise something that wouldn't happen.
The only thing remotely likely or truthful about the article is the last sentence. Berlusconi would not permit it either. Besides that this also makes sense if this were even remotely true:
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"However, should Kaka not wish to leave San Siro at any stage of his career, then the option would essentially be worthless."
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In other words, Kaka could simply say no to leaving. And I see Sheva's arrival as less reason for him to leave as the two were good friends. So even if we did promise to give Chelsea first bids, if Kaka doesn't leave... lol...
So Chelsea basically shot itself in the foot... even if they did try to make us promise something that wouldn't happen.
The best news of the week! Welcome back Sheva! What is the most important. Inter's butcher is coming to town!!!! This obviously could have an impact on our Scudetto mission.
Brgrds
Brgrds
think it said on wikipedia that sheva will take no. 17. and wikipedia is never wrong of course lol FM
I heard something about Sheva taking his year of birth as his new number...Dunno 
I won't say welcome back....but I'm gonna want him to earn his place.
Ahh..pfft..who am I kidding...I'm such a wimp, I'll get teary eyed when I see him in that jersey again standing next to Paolo.
Pato will never have a bigger opportunity to learn...(unless R99 were to come as well).
I think it's a logical purchase. Carletto already said, he doesn't want to see Pato play every match. And he doesn't think Borriello is capable of being our sole striker. So this was a good move. Now I wonder if this purchase eases up the Ivanovic deal.
I won't say welcome back....but I'm gonna want him to earn his place.
Ahh..pfft..who am I kidding...I'm such a wimp, I'll get teary eyed when I see him in that jersey again standing next to Paolo.
Pato will never have a bigger opportunity to learn...(unless R99 were to come as well).
I think it's a logical purchase. Carletto already said, he doesn't want to see Pato play every match. And he doesn't think Borriello is capable of being our sole striker. So this was a good move. Now I wonder if this purchase eases up the Ivanovic deal.
Hopefully this means we'll be playing with 2 strikers now. Otherwise it's quite pathetic.
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 23 2008, 11:37 PM)
Maybe that was a bit rash on my part. 4-3-1-2 will only work if we rotate Kaka and Ronaldinho. That formation will never see both of them on the field. And 4-3-2-1 will only see either Shevchenko or Pato on the field. Not them at the same time.
What about 4-2-3-1?
What about 4-2-3-1?
Well it will be a problem for Carlo to decide which route to take. I'm hoping that we won't use the 4-3-2-1 unless it's necceassary especially against the small teams that like to park a bus infront of their goals. Until Kaka comes back Carlo can either go like this
Seedorf--Pirlo--DMF
----------R10---------
-----Sheva--Pato----
or
Flamini--Pirlo--Ambro
----Seedorf--R10-----
-----------ST----------
But once Kaka and Rino are fit he will have a headache with selections. But the good thing is that he can rotate a lot especially when the games start to come thick and fast
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 24 2008, 12:27 AM)
It's actually a little unnerving to me. I can't automatically name Milan's starting XI for any given game. We've actually got options. Would like one more in defense (or for Darmian to get a LOT more playing time than I'm guessing he's currently likely to get) just to be safe.
Strange isn't it?
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 24 2008, 08:51 AM)
Hopefully this means we'll be playing with 2 strikers now. Otherwise it's quite pathetic.
The only way we can play with 2 strikers one Kaka comes back is a 4-2-2-2 and personally I'm not a fan. We might try it against a mid table team but other wise we could get pummled with that especially if we don't buy another CB to cover for Nesta
The Return of the King!!
Welcome home!!
Welcome home!!
QUOTE (misha @ Aug 24 2008, 06:48 PM)
The Return of the King!!
Welcome home!!
Welcome home!!
Took your time, but I knew you'd post, misha!
You had the guy in your signature all the way from the moment he left Milan. Didn't change it once.
QUOTE (acid911 @ Aug 24 2008, 04:57 PM)
Took your time, but I knew you'd post, misha! You had the guy in your signature all the way from the moment he left Milan. Didn't change it once.
You had the guy in your signature all the way from the moment he left Milan. Didn't change it once.I was celebrating
Now, the next season seems much more exciting, and with one more good defender we finally have the depth to trash the merda and maybe to take both serie and the uefa cup.
173 goals in 296 games for Milan and counting
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 24 2008, 02:43 PM)
But once Kaka and Rino are fit he will have a headache with selections. But the good thing is that he can rotate a lot especially when the games start to come thick and fast
It's been a while since he has had selection headaches... previously he did not have enough players. Now he has more than enough...
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The only way we can play with 2 strikers one Kaka comes back is a 4-2-2-2 and personally I'm not a fan. We might try it against a mid table team but other wise we could get pummled with that especially if we don't buy another CB to cover for Nesta
Yeah 4-2-2-2 is a bit awkward...
I hope both your wishes come true, mish. We could well use both the Scudetto and the UEFA Cup. Trashing the merda? Check. It's the other two things that worry me a bit. A good, quality defender won't do any harm.
------------Sheva - Boriello-----------
Dinho...............Pato...............Kaka
--------Pirlo------------Seedorf--------
Flamini------ Nesta ------- Zambrotta
---------------Abbiati-------------------
Dinho...............Pato...............Kaka
--------Pirlo------------Seedorf--------
Flamini------ Nesta ------- Zambrotta
---------------Abbiati-------------------
Gee, welcome back, YoungGun! Where you've been all this time?
Where you've been all this time?
QUOTE (YoungGun @ Aug 24 2008, 05:35 PM)
------------Sheva - Boriello-----------
Dinho...............Pato...............Kaka
--------Pirlo------------Seedorf--------
Flamini------ Nesta ------- Zambrotta
---------------Abbiati-------------------
Dinho...............Pato...............Kaka
--------Pirlo------------Seedorf--------
Flamini------ Nesta ------- Zambrotta
---------------Abbiati-------------------
Then the score would be like in hockey: 8-6 or something like that
Welcome back
QUOTE (misha @ Aug 24 2008, 05:11 PM)
I was celebrating
Now, the next season seems much more exciting, and with one more good defender we finally have the depth to trash the merda and maybe to take both serie and the uefa cup.
173 goals in 296 games for Milan and counting
Now, the next season seems much more exciting, and with one more good defender we finally have the depth to trash the merda and maybe to take both serie and the uefa cup.
173 goals in 296 games for Milan and counting
Yes he is back
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 24 2008, 06:17 PM)
Yes he is back
Can't wait for the first game to see him in Milan shirt again. It will be so emotional for me.
QUOTE (YoungGun @ Aug 24 2008, 03:35 PM)
------------Sheva - Boriello-----------
Dinho...............Pato...............Kaka
--------Pirlo------------Seedorf--------
Flamini------ Nesta ------- Zambrotta
---------------Abbiati-------------------
Dinho...............Pato...............Kaka
--------Pirlo------------Seedorf--------
Flamini------ Nesta ------- Zambrotta
---------------Abbiati-------------------
Forget hockey game it would be a basket ball score line with that line up
@ misha, yesterday we were speculating on what you were doing to celebrate Sheva coming back, I suggested you went out in the street streaking. Did you?
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 24 2008, 08:35 PM)
@ misha, yesterday we were speculating on what you were doing to celebrate Sheva coming back, I suggested you went out in the street streaking. Did you?
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 24 2008, 06:35 PM)
@ misha, yesterday we were speculating on what you were doing to celebrate Sheva coming back, I suggested you went out in the street streaking. Did you?
Of course. You know me so well
QUOTE (Portikins @ Aug 23 2008, 06:36 PM)
Pato's one. #77 will be my guess.
Anyway:
Pato, Inzaghi, Shevchenko, Borriello, Paloschi and Ronaldinho... meaning Borriello + Paloschi offloaded?
Anyway:
Pato, Inzaghi, Shevchenko, Borriello, Paloschi and Ronaldinho... meaning Borriello + Paloschi offloaded?
I always loved that Guy
I said it the month after he left that he was destined to be a milan player and that he is all he would always be
Hope he scores more goals to become the highest in Milan History
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 24 2008, 01:09 AM)
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic..
But there are very few people on here than wanted Sheva back as much as I, so yes, I did want him back.
But there are very few people on here than wanted Sheva back as much as I, so yes, I did want him back.
Not sarcastic.
When the news stories about his return were circulating around, I got an impression you were in the Tennie/dst camp of not wanting Sheva back (with his tail between his legs). Guess I was wrong. Anyway, he's officially red&black now, and his Milan adventure continues. Hope he breaks the Milan all-time goal scoring record, even though it seems more difficult now than before. Maybe he will. When the deal fell through, I thought to myself that's all folks. I'm sure Robinho to Chelsea helped with this.
Plus, you didn't have to change your signature three times in two days.
Yeah you know when I heard the deal failed... "that's it. Galliani killed the deal and it will never come back again. Once he does something, it won't happen..."... surprise, surprise.
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 25 2008, 12:20 AM)
Yeah you know when I heard the deal failed... "that's it. Galliani killed the deal and it will never come back again. Once he does something, it won't happen..."... surprise, surprise.
hes like super hero. His super powers are lying and bUllSHiTTing. He can deceive a million people with just one phrase: our market is closed and every milan fan believes him.
Genius LOL
I didn't. Coz I have been given the kryptonite ring of BS detection. It works..
It's amazing...he'd said towards the end of the season, that we might get 7-8 players, and I remember us laughing...and then boom!! HAHA!!
It's amazing...he'd said towards the end of the season, that we might get 7-8 players, and I remember us laughing...and then boom!! HAHA!!
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 24 2008, 02:43 PM)
Seedorf--Pirlo--DMF
----------R10---------
-----Sheva--Pato----
The only way we can play with 2 strikers one Kaka comes back is a 4-2-2-2 and personally I'm not a fan. We might try it against a mid table team but other wise we could get pummled with that especially if we don't buy another CB to cover for Nesta
----------R10---------
-----Sheva--Pato----
The only way we can play with 2 strikers one Kaka comes back is a 4-2-2-2 and personally I'm not a fan. We might try it against a mid table team but other wise we could get pummled with that especially if we don't buy another CB to cover for Nesta
Why would it have to be a 4-2-2-2? The line-up you posted above has 2 strikers, and is a normal 4-3-1-2, which is what I was talking about.
^^
Dyood...read it again. He says 4-2-2-2 when Kaka comes back. Where do you fit Kaka and Ronaldinho and Sheva and Pato into a 4-3-1-2. Gaaaahhh....these midlands people. Thank heavens my heart is in the Toon!
p.s: Why are you called Midlands? Are you from Middlesex?
Dyood...read it again. He says 4-2-2-2 when Kaka comes back. Where do you fit Kaka and Ronaldinho and Sheva and Pato into a 4-3-1-2. Gaaaahhh....these midlands people. Thank heavens my heart is in the Toon!
p.s: Why are you called Midlands? Are you from Middlesex?
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 25 2008, 11:01 AM)
^^
Dyood...read it again. He says 4-2-2-2 when Kaka comes back. Where do you fit Kaka and Ronaldinho and Sheva and Pato into a 4-3-1-2. Gaaaahhh....these midlands people. Thank heavens my heart is in the Toon!
p.s: Why are you called Midlands? Are you from Middlesex?
Dyood...read it again. He says 4-2-2-2 when Kaka comes back. Where do you fit Kaka and Ronaldinho and Sheva and Pato into a 4-3-1-2. Gaaaahhh....these midlands people. Thank heavens my heart is in the Toon!
p.s: Why are you called Midlands? Are you from Middlesex?
lol midlands bcoz brmingham is in midlands from middle from north to south
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 25 2008, 09:46 AM)
Why would it have to be a 4-2-2-2? The line-up you posted above has 2 strikers, and is a normal 4-3-1-2, which is what I was talking about.
What Jack said
It's easy to go with a 4-3-1-2 now, but once Kaka comes back someone has to be left out.
So this has nothing to do with Middlesex. These English people are mad about sex. Essex, Wessex, Middlesex...wow. Thank god Surrey is not Sexxy.
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 25 2008, 11:01 AM)
^^
Dyood...read it again. He says 4-2-2-2 when Kaka comes back. Where do you fit Kaka and Ronaldinho and Sheva and Pato into a 4-3-1-2. Gaaaahhh....these midlands people. Thank heavens my heart is in the Toon!
p.s: Why are you called Midlands? Are you from Middlesex?
Dyood...read it again. He says 4-2-2-2 when Kaka comes back. Where do you fit Kaka and Ronaldinho and Sheva and Pato into a 4-3-1-2. Gaaaahhh....these midlands people. Thank heavens my heart is in the Toon!
p.s: Why are you called Midlands? Are you from Middlesex?
Oohh. My bad
In that case, stick Ronaldinho on the bench.. he's used to it now!No, we're called the midlands because we're in the middle of the country, believe it or not.
Middlesex is in the London area I think.
QUOTE (mallamkay @ Aug 25 2008, 04:00 AM)
Hope he scores more goals to become the highest in Milan History
Hadn't he wasted two years of his career away from Milan, he would have surely surpassed that record to become Milan's all time greatest goalscorer. but now... I doubt he can do it. but never say never
He needs 48 to equal Nordahl, 49 to surpass. It's do-able for sure, but it will be a close run thing.
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 25 2008, 02:07 PM)
He needs 48 to equal Nordahl, 49 to surpass. It's do-able for sure, but it will be a close run thing.
He needs to score around 15-16 goals per season in all competitions over three seasons... you're right, it's not impossible for 'Shevchenko'.
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Aug 25 2008, 12:30 PM)
He needs to score around 15-16 goals per season in all competitions over three seasons... you're right, it's not impossible for 'Shevchenko'.
Depends of which Shevchenko we have. It might be 'Sheva' or 'Shevy'
It depends, hopefully some semblance of the old Sheva returns.
btw, saw him arrive at Linate airport yesterday at 3am on Milan Channel a lot of fans were there to greet him. Same goes from Dinho
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 25 2008, 03:14 PM)
Depends of which Shevchenko we have. It might be 'Sheva' or 'Shevy'
It depends, hopefully some semblance of the old Sheva returns.
btw, saw him arrive at Linate airport yesterday at 3am on Milan Channel a lot of fans were there to greet him. Same goes from Dinho
It depends, hopefully some semblance of the old Sheva returns.
btw, saw him arrive at Linate airport yesterday at 3am on Milan Channel a lot of fans were there to greet him. Same goes from Dinho
You mean Dinho when he first landed in Milan or Dinho that's come back from Beijing?
Anyway, good to see he's welcomed by some fans.
I think all the fans would welcome him, provided he behaves like a person who's genuinely embarassed and sorry. If he comes in a expects to be king again, he'll be in for s rude shock.
To start with, he can wear #76 and score some goals. Then we'll move onto phase 2...kissing the badge..
To start with, he can wear #76 and score some goals. Then we'll move onto phase 2...kissing the badge..
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